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I was watching "I Want a Famous Face" on MTV a while back, it's that show where teenagers get plastic surgery to look like their favorite celebrity. Well, in this episode, a girl was getting plastic surgery to look like Tiffany Amber Theissen, and her plastic surgeon was a DO.

Also, if any of you have seen the show "Curb Your Enthusiasm" on HBO, with Larry David from Seinfeld, they did an episode where Larry talks about his uncle who is an Osteopath. Larry goes to an incest survivors group therapy meeting to support a friend, and he tries to describe what kind of doctor his uncle is, but he clearly has no idea what an osteopath is, so he says that he thinks it has "something to do with bones." :laugh:


Also on a non-TV related note. I live in Michigan and probably the most famous and successful plastic surgeon in the state is a DO, Dr. Greg Roche. In fact, he is one of the top plastic surgeons in the Midwest, if not the top.
 
There was a DO on, I believe, 'Trauma: Life in the ER' on Discovery Health.

I saw that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, it was fantastic.
 
i may be completely mistaken but there was a do i think in that documentary "supersize me" ...its about a guy that goes on a mcdonalds breakfast lunch and dinner diet only for 30 days to see how bad it really is...i think one of the doctors he was consulting was a young woman who was a do....this is off the top of my head but i just remember a do in a group of a few doctors who was being consulted for her opinion and she was saying something about his heart or something...so since i dont watch a lot of movies it might have been supersize me.
 
GqDocStar said:
i may be completely mistaken but there was a do i think in that documentary "supersize me" ...its about a guy that goes on a mcdonalds breakfast lunch and dinner diet only for 30 days to see how bad it really is...i think one of the doctors he was consulting was a young woman who was a do....this is off the top of my head but i just remember a do in a group of a few doctors who was being consulted for her opinion and she was saying something about his heart or something...so since i dont watch a lot of movies it might have been supersize me.

You would be correct... she was a DO... I don't remember her name though... 😎
 
Future Doc B said:
You would be correct... she was a DO... I don't remember her name though... 😎
I remember her. She was a GI doc.
 
spike tv's "Ultimate Fighter" which is a reality UFC show had a DO opthamalogist do all the eye and face lacerations. Also Trauma Life in the E.R." had a DO trauma surgeon as the chief of staff. 😎

Jon N. CPhT.
 
how do you guys find this out about these shows? I guess i missed the credits or something? especially UFC and Trama... cool
 
espbeliever said:
how do you guys find this out about these shows? I guess i missed the credits or something? especially UFC and Trama... cool

It's not the credits that tell you whether a doctor is a D.O. or not. You have to watch the show carefully. If you see any of the following then you know it's not an M.D.:

1. The physician touches the patient on the shoulder while talking to them, showing that, because of their OMT training in medical school, they are more comfortable making contact with people

2. Doctor performs cranial on someone in front of the camera

3. Doctor asks about a different part of the patient's body, thereby practicing 'holistic' medicine (ex. "I understand you blew your entire right lung in a car accicent, but do you have any toenail fungus?")

4. The physician, at least one time during the show, gets on his/her knees and bows in the direction of Kirksville
 
Fenrezz said:
It's not the credits that tell you whether a doctor is a D.O. or not. You have to watch the show carefully. If you see any of the following then you know it's not an M.D.:

1. The physician touches the patient on the shoulder while talking to them, showing that, because of their OMT training in medical school, they are more comfortable making contact with people

2. Doctor performs cranial on someone in front of the camera

3. Doctor asks about a different part of the patient's body, thereby practicing 'holistic' medicine (ex. "I understand you blew your entire right lung in a car accicent, but do you have any toenail fungus?")

4. The physician, at least one time during the show, gets on his/her knees and bows in the direction of Kirksville


👎 the fire starter strikes again... havent you been banned yet?

i get that you are ATTEMPTING to be funny/sarcastic. but this is lame. 🙁
 
espbeliever said:
👎 the fire starter strikes again... havent you been banned yet?

i get that you are ATTEMPTING to be funny/sarcastic. but this is lame. 🙁


this thread is lame.
 
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eh, i guess to each their own opinions. i thought this was interesting until fenrezz. i didnt know that there were many DOs in the public spotlight. some sort of MD oppresion or something 🙄

im not sure what you find lame, beyond the fenrezz comments since you said "this thread" implying the general concept of the thread and/or its general comments?
 
I think the concept of this thread is lame. I'm normally a calm observer, but I think that threads are like these are part of the reason I would second guess my desire to attend osteopathic school and go on to become an osteopathic physician. Why the need for validation? Who cares what D.O. was on TV? I find it apalling that there were medical students sending post cards to writers to get more D.O.'s on television. Osteopathic physicians aren't a novelty, they are medical doctors. They don't need to be gratuitously worked in to television shows to prove to the public that they are valid practitioners.

Never once have I heard someone badmouth an osteopath in real life. In conversations (medical or otherwise), I've heard people mention the fact that there are two licensed medical degrees in the U.S., to which the unitiated party responded "Oh, Ok". No one cares. No ones cares about the initials behind a doctor's name except for anal premeds who only want to help people if the letters behind their name look great embossed on a business card. By constantly trying to shove DO's into the television spotlight, its sending the message both inside and outside of the community that it's necessary to pay attention to our initials instead of our aptitude.

If the Osteopathic community wants to end "stigma" problems then they'll stop writing letters to the screen hacks at Grey's Anatomy, and start working on post graduate education that doesn't suck (flame on, you know it's the biggest problem they have). Shut up and provide the awesome medical care that you are capable of doing, and people will respect you for that. People don't faint in awe because Jimmy Fallon's uncle is a D.O, but they appreciate physicians when they do their job.

As I said before, it's stuff like this that makes me not want to join the Osteopathic community. I want to join an organization that's proud of what they do internally, not a collection of individuals who reach for a box of tissues and a Dashboard Confessionals CD when they learn that the plastic surgeons on Doctor 90210 don't have the right initials.
 
Belfagor said:
I think the concept of this thread is lame. I'm normally a calm observer, but I think that threads are like these are part of the reason I would second guess my desire to attend osteopathic school and go on to become an osteopathic physician. Why the need for validation? Who cares what D.O. was on TV? I find it apalling that there were medical students sending post cards to writers to get more D.O.'s on television. Osteopathic physicians aren't a novelty, they are medical doctors. They don't need to be gratuitously worked in to television shows to prove to the public that they are valid practitioners.

Never once have I heard someone badmouth an osteopath in real life. In conversations (medical or otherwise), I've heard people mention the fact that there are two licensed medical degrees in the U.S., to which the unitiated party responded "Oh, Ok". No one cares. No ones cares about the initials behind a doctor's name except for anal premeds who only want to help people if the letters behind their name look great embossed on a business card. By constantly trying to shove DO's into the television spotlight, its sending the message both inside and outside of the community that it's necessary to pay attention to our initials instead of our aptitude.

If the Osteopathic community wants to end "stigma" problems then they'll stop writing letters to the screen hacks at Grey's Anatomy, and start working on post graduate education that doesn't suck (flame on, you know it's the biggest problem they have). Shut up and provide the awesome medical care that you are capable of doing, and people will respect you for that. People don't faint in awe because Jimmy Fallon's uncle is a D.O, but they appreciate physicians when they do their job.

As I said before, it's stuff like this that makes me not want to join the Osteopathic community. I want to join an organization that's proud of what they do internally, not a collection of individuals who reach for a box of tissues and a Dashboard Confessionals CD when they learn that the plastic surgeons on Doctor 90210 don't have the right initials.

i think its cool because most of my family watches tv religiously so when they see a DO on there, then they think, hmm, espbeliver wasnt just pulling my leg... it may not make rational sense to you, but to them tv does not lie.

why the need for validation? because. ask anyone in my family a few months ago what a DO what, and you would get a very puzzeled look. these are country bumpkins that think MDs are god, growing grass is a cool show, and voted for bush. way right wing conservatives that barely made it out of high school. i love them dearly, but they are very stuck in their ways and the doctors near them are ALL the older MDs who then sometimes bad mouth DOs.

if you say you have never gotten any kind of negative feedback on going to a DO school, then id have to belive you either live in a bubble or are lieing. ive gotten it from family, professors, friends, students, and the family doc. sigh. to be truthful much of it was not that negative, but some of it was, and there is a general ignorance that exists.

i think this bias is slowly errodeing but i think its mostly through the publicized actions of some prominent DOs that this has occured. if you disagree that is fine, but that my opinion, so to see a growing number of DOs in mainstream spotlight is encouraging to me.

further, if simple threads like these make you second guess becoming a DO, then id suggest you quit now and save yourself the heartache because they are not anywhere near stopping and again, you must be living in a bubble.

let me ask a question - why did you chose to become a DO to begin with?? i chose because the caliber of student that typically goes is not the gunner type which provides for a more supportive learning environment. i want to become a fp and many of the DO schools are getting top marks with fp residencies, plus knowledge of omm. wether you believe a differnt philosophy exists or different teaching style (actually the DO school i wish to attend has a unique teaching style that is actually performing phenominally) is not to me the hallmark of a good school but rather the results in residency and testing, at least in my eyes.

back to philosophy, though i do think that a number of yrs ago a different philosophy existed where DOs attempted to treat the person and the MDs treated the symptoms. today i think that different is errodeing, as are many of the other differences.

anyways im not saying to everyone to go out and write to get more DOs on tv, but why not be happy when it happens?

i think im rambling now... sorry 😳
 
espbeliever said:
👎 the fire starter strikes again... havent you been banned yet?

i get that you are ATTEMPTING to be funny/sarcastic. but this is lame. 🙁

you're a bonejob. i'm recommending you to be banned.
 
havent u been banned before yourself? gee ur so funny.. 🙄

anyways, check out fenrezz's posts. he is constantly trying to start a flame war. so i dub him the firestarter... 👎
 
Pembleton said:
There was a DO on, I believe, 'Trauma: Life in the ER' on Discovery Health.


I shadowed this guy, and in fact, thats where my DO LORs came from.
 
espbeliever said:
i think its cool because most of my family watches tv religiously so when they see a DO on there, then they think, hmm, espbeliver wasnt just pulling my leg... it may not make rational sense to you, but to them tv does not lie.

why the need for validation? because. ask anyone in my family a few months ago what a DO what, and you would get a very puzzeled look. these are country bumpkins that think MDs are god, growing grass is a cool show, and voted for bush. way right wing conservatives that barely made it out of high school. i love them dearly, but they are very stuck in their ways and the doctors near them are ALL the older MDs who then sometimes bad mouth DOs.

if you say you have never gotten any kind of negative feedback on going to a DO school, then id have to belive you either live in a bubble or are lieing. ive gotten it from family, professors, friends, students, and the family doc. sigh. to be truthful much of it was not that negative, but some of it was, and there is a general ignorance that exists.

i think this bias is slowly errodeing but i think its mostly through the publicized actions of some prominent DOs that this has occured. if you disagree that is fine, but that my opinion, so to see a growing number of DOs in mainstream spotlight is encouraging to me.

further, if simple threads like these make you second guess becoming a DO, then id suggest you quit now and save yourself the heartache because they are not anywhere near stopping and again, you must be living in a bubble.

let me ask a question - why did you chose to become a DO to begin with?? i chose because the caliber of student that typically goes is not the gunner type which provides for a more supportive learning environment. i want to become a fp and many of the DO schools are getting top marks with fp residencies, plus knowledge of omm. wether you believe a differnt philosophy exists or different teaching style (actually the DO school i wish to attend has a unique teaching style that is actually performing phenominally) is not to me the hallmark of a good school but rather the results in residency and testing, at least in my eyes.

back to philosophy, though i do think that a number of yrs ago a different philosophy existed where DOs attempted to treat the person and the MDs treated the symptoms. today i think that different is errodeing, as are many of the other differences.

anyways im not saying to everyone to go out and write to get more DOs on tv, but why not be happy when it happens?

i think im rambling now... sorry 😳


So your family didn't know what a D.O. was, but they knew enough to hate them because they voted for Bush? I'm a little lost on the logic thre. I'm sorry your family takes T.V. verbatim and worships only M.D.'s, but perhaps in my so-called bubble people aren't as willing to denounce a profession they haven't heard of.

And it's never bad to have D.O.'s in the spotlight, just like it's great to have someone from your alma mater be succesful- you have a right to be proud. But being on T.V. isn't directly correlated to being an excellent physician. It's a mix of P.R. and being in the right place at the right time. In my opinion, it's more professionally impressive to see a D.O. in the New England Journal of Medicine than it is to see them as Lindsay Lohan's OB/GYN. I think peer respect is more important than the recognition of some random person who knows nothing of the medical profession in the first place. I suppose that's where we disagree.

You then go on to stress that the bias toward D.O's is "errodeing", coincidentally at the same time that the D.O. philosophy is leaving its holistic approach as it becomes more mainstream. But I'll succeed one point to you, and that is your suggestion to stay out of osteopathic medicine if I can't handle the type of commitment that you are implying that I need.

I want to belong to a group of professionals that place service to their patients and medical community first and foremost, something that I thought was implicit in the D.O. community. Apparently I was wrong; it's more important to educate ignorant hillbillies on the validity of my hard earned four year U.S. medical degree.
 
Belfagor said:
So your family didn't know what a D.O. was, but they knew enough to hate them because they voted for Bush? I'm a little lost on the logic thre. I'm sorry your family takes T.V. verbatim and worships only M.D.'s, but perhaps in my so-called bubble people aren't as willing to denounce a profession they haven't heard of.

not BECAUSE they voted for bush, that is just how they are.

ME: " I GOT ACCEPT TO DO SCHOOL!!!!"
Parents: " What is that? A Chiropractor? "

and its not really that they worship ONLY MDs its just, they have never heard of a DO. also im not saying they hate them, just some negative remarks.

Belfagor said:
And it's never bad to have D.O.'s in the spotlight, just like it's great to have someone from your alma mater be succesful- you have a right to be proud. But being on T.V. isn't directly correlated to being an excellent physician. It's a mix of P.R. and being in the right place at the right time. In my opinion, it's more professionally impressive to see a D.O. in the New England Journal of Medicine than it is to see them as Lindsay Lohan's OB/GYN. I think peer respect is more important than the recognition of some random person who knows nothing of the medical profession in the first place. I suppose that's where we disagree.

i agree it does not mean you are great if you are on tv. but try to tell that to someone who has never been to college, or even know what NEJM is. im not trying to tell you it is right, it is just how some ppl are. 😕

Belfagor said:
You then go on to stress that the bias toward D.O's is "errodeing", coincidentally at the same time that the D.O. philosophy is leaving its holistic approach as it becomes more mainstream.

hmm im not sure where i said that.... i guess what i was trying to say was that today except for some small areas, DO=MD philisophically, one in which you treat the person and not specifially the symptoms like was the case many years ago.

Belfagor said:
But I'll succeed one point to you, and that is your suggestion to stay out of osteopathic medicine if I can't handle the type of commitment that you are implying that I need.

I want to belong to a group of professionals that place service to their patients and medical community first and foremost, something that I thought was implicit in the D.O. community. Apparently I was wrong; it's more important to educate ignorant hillbillies on the validity of my hard earned four year U.S. medical degree.

well, if you think that is the case....

you seem angry. is something wrong?
 
Belfagor said:
I think the concept of this thread is lame. I'm normally a calm observer, but I think that threads are like these are part of the reason I would second guess my desire to attend osteopathic school and go on to become an osteopathic physician. Why the need for validation? Who cares what D.O. was on TV? I find it apalling that there were medical students sending post cards to writers to get more D.O.'s on television. Osteopathic physicians aren't a novelty, they are medical doctors. They don't need to be gratuitously worked in to television shows to prove to the public that they are valid practitioners.

Never once have I heard someone badmouth an osteopath in real life. In conversations (medical or otherwise), I've heard people mention the fact that there are two licensed medical degrees in the U.S., to which the unitiated party responded "Oh, Ok". No one cares. No ones cares about the initials behind a doctor's name except for anal premeds who only want to help people if the letters behind their name look great embossed on a business card. By constantly trying to shove DO's into the television spotlight, its sending the message both inside and outside of the community that it's necessary to pay attention to our initials instead of our aptitude.

If the Osteopathic community wants to end "stigma" problems then they'll stop writing letters to the screen hacks at Grey's Anatomy, and start working on post graduate education that doesn't suck (flame on, you know it's the biggest problem they have). Shut up and provide the awesome medical care that you are capable of doing, and people will respect you for that. People don't faint in awe because Jimmy Fallon's uncle is a D.O, but they appreciate physicians when they do their job.

As I said before, it's stuff like this that makes me not want to join the Osteopathic community. I want to join an organization that's proud of what they do internally, not a collection of individuals who reach for a box of tissues and a Dashboard Confessionals CD when they learn that the plastic surgeons on Doctor 90210 don't have the right initials.

Couldn't agree more.

It's guys like Espbeliever that embarrass DO's the most because they actually believe that a osteopathic physician on TV would validate the profession. Good freaking lord!

But then again, he believes in ESP, what more do you expect?
 
Belfagor said:
D.O. philosophy is leaving its holistic approach

I want to belong to a group of professionals that place service to their patients and medical community first and foremost, something that I thought was implicit in the D.O. community. Apparently I was wrong; it's more important to educate ignorant hillbillies on the validity of my hard earned four year U.S. medical degree.

Where is your source that states DO's are leaving the holistic approach? You totally made that up.

How can you go from an internet thread about DO's on TV to making a broad statement about DO's not putting service to their patients first and foremost? That was a HUGE jump and extremely disrespectful to DO's. You should apologize son. DO's have a PR problem that they want to fix. Is it more important than paitent care? Hell no.
 
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you know whats really old in life in general? the ability to come up with reasons for why someone elses opinion or idea is bringing down some profession that "they want to be a part of" or whatever. the characteristic to be superficially righteous is really old. and its that jump on whatever i can think up somethign to say about attitude thats actually old.

i too have the ability to come up with things in peoples opinions/posts that could be spun to look like it brings down the D.O name or whatever. but i understand that what someone says isnt my property to apply what i feel like they ment...it means what they ment for it to say not what i can use for material to get my redundant and self righteous philosophy out to everyone.

just because you can come up with some bold sentences that may catch peoples attention about what you seem to be bringing to attention does not mean anything significant. Putting on the "everyone should be proud to be a D.O" suit and showing it to everyone through a critical assault of a completely innocent thread isnt a way to show ones dedication and innitaitive to be a physician.

A taste of your own medicine if i may:

if others' schema on how they view and deal with osteopathy makes you doubt entering the field, arent you yourself in some sort of complex about the field? If thats all it takes to get you out of the field then by all means i would be glad to start up a thread of "appauling" D.O babble to make sure individuals like you dont enter the profession.
 
Pikevillemedstudent said:
Where is your source that states DO's are leaving the holistic approach? You totally made that up.

How can you go from an internet thread about DO's on TV to making a broad statement about DO's not putting service to their patients first and foremost? That was a HUGE jump and extremely disrespectful to DO's. You should apologize son. DO's have a PR problem that they want to fix. Is it more important than paitent care? Hell no.

From the OP:

"back to philosophy, though i do think that a number of yrs ago a different philosophy existed where DOs attempted to treat the person and the MDs treated the symptoms. today i think that different is errodeing, as are many of the other differences. "

I think I misinterpretated this from his original post. He most likely meant that more MD's are treating the person, and vice-versa. So that's my fault. I apologize if I was wrong.
 
GqDocStar said:
you know whats really old in life in general? the ability to come up with reasons for why someone elses opinion or idea is bringing down some profession that "they want to be a part of" or whatever. the characteristic to be superficially righteous is really old. and its that jump on whatever i can think up somethign to say about attitude thats actually old.

i too have the ability to come up with things in peoples opinions/posts that could be spun to look like it brings down the D.O name or whatever. but i understand that what someone says isnt my property to apply what i feel like they ment...it means what they ment for it to say not what i can use for material to get my redundant and self righteous philosophy out to everyone.

just because you can come up with some bold sentences that may catch peoples attention about what you seem to be bringing to attention does not mean anything significant. Putting on the "everyone should be proud to be a D.O" suit and showing it to everyone through a critical assault of a completely innocent thread isnt a way to show ones dedication and innitaitive to be a physician.

A taste of your own medicine if i may:

if others' schema on how they view and deal with osteopathy makes you doubt entering the field, arent you yourself in some sort of complex about the field? If thats all it takes to get you out of the field then by all means i would be glad to start up a thread of "appauling" D.O babble to make sure individuals like you dont enter the profession.

Calm down. I said I was considering the field, so I have a right to weigh its ups and downs. Or should I blindly accept what's fed to me? I have doubts about spending the prime of my life in residency too, will it make me a bad doctor because I'm questioning my resolve before I jump in? I think it's ignorant to jump into a profession without looking at the pros and cons of it.

I merely said that this type of PR hungriness leading to self validation is what makes me worry about becoming an osteopathic physician. I'm more than entitled to my right to question your field before I spend the rest of my life in it.
 
Belfagor said:
Jimmy Fallon's uncle is a D.O,

OMG, I never knew... that is...like... so cool!

Disclaimer: The above contains a small amount of a substance called sarcasm. In addition to the desired effects of laughter some side effects include decreased urinary retention, increased lacrimal secretion, and on occasion... mud butt. Please use carefully.
 
Belfagor said:
I had a bad night, thanks for throwing it back in my face.

Sorry man but I had to do it. For Christ's sake, your pet's head's are falling off!! Maybe you should tape the head back on and sell it to a blind kid!!

BTW if you can't figure out that I am j/k, go buy dumb and dumber.



Seriously though, thanks for stepping up and admitting your mistake. Also, you are doing the right thing by researching the osteo. prof. before jumping in. Alot of us made the jump but it doesn't mean that it is right for you. Good luck in your decision.
 
I saw a DO on Extreme Makeover who did a hair weave. In the future, I'd like to see a DO on Extreme Makeover doing actual surgery...
 
Well, I'm sorry I started this thread now. My original intent wasn't to justify D.O as a profession, or advocate lobbying to get DOs in the media spotlight, or anything else except to mention some things I saw on TV that relate to the osteopathic profession in a fun and entertaining way. Wow, some people in here need to take some quaaludes and mellow out. 😎
 
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