Dragging myself kicking and screaming towards medical school

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I figured I may as well get some opinions that aren't those of family members or friends here. There's a TL;DR version down there if you don't want to bother.

I've already graduated undergrad with a BA in writing, with an emphasis on creative and a liberal arts-heavy curriculum (yeah, yeah...). My major science was geology out of personal preference which would've been a minor if I'd taken an extra year, but I wanted to graduate on time at four years.

My only sibling is my sister, who is eleven years my senior, and currently an addictions psychiatrist married to a geriatrics psychiatrist. Both of my parents work in the hospital, my mom a nurse, my dad the path lab supervisor. There's certainly no familial pressure at all *cough*.

Originally, my life plan was to go on to an MFA program in creative writing and then a PhD program for English and go for a professorial position, but after my first round of MFA applications only accepted me into a small college in Pennsylvania, my parents began relentlessly talking up medicine. This is after I had adamantly told them throughout college that I wasn't doing medicine, no sir, not at all, even though I'd initially considered it when I first came in as a freshman. I did also fail calculus two straight semesters, which has tarnished my GPA to this day, and also first threw me off the medical path.

I graduated in May of 2010; in my year off, though, my parents successfully convinced me to drop out of the MFA program before I started, and start taking undergrad classes at the local colleges to pick up the science credits I didn't have, namely chem, orgo, and physics (orgo and physics still coming this fall, so far) while working at Borders.

They have gone off the WALLS trying to give me everything I need to succeed. They're paying for my additional classes, they bought me the Kaplan classroom MCAT course, they bought this extra physics tutor program, this $60 orgo model kit... They're making it impossibly hard for me to say, I'm still really not all that enthused.

It doesn't help that my parents have a very, very idealized version of what becoming a doctor entails, while my sister & her husband provide a more accurate contrast. It doesn't help that I normally live in a small Midwestern town, where all the doctors are big freakin' deals because they wouldn't be living out here in the boondocks if the hospital wasn't paying them big bucks. Apparently all the doctors everywhere work only four hours a day four days a week and all go to Las Vegas or on a golf trip or on a training cruise every other weekend. They're not all like my dad's boss, who's the assistant pathologist mostly because his dad's the senior pathologist, when they're the only two pathologists in the hospital.

Besides that, I'm not sure my reasonings for wanting to be a doctor are really strong enough to drag the rest of me kicking and screaming into all of this.

All I've really got going for me:
1. The $$$, of course. This is getting easier to look past, though, because of the debt and the other perceived disadvantages, even if the PhD programs are likely to have a similar amount.
2. The status a Dr. in front of your name entails, the ability to go "I'm a doctor!" when someone asks "Is there a doctor in the house/train/plane?" Very superficial, I know.
3. Getting my mom to shut up. My mom, I love her, but her perception of medical school seems to be in essence "Try it, you'll like it!", when I've been trying to convince her that medical school... is kind of expensive to taste-test like that.
4. My parents have spent such a ridiculous amount of money and effort trying to send me there that it'd almost seem like a slap in their faces to tell them halfway through a Kaplan course that I don't want to do it.
5. Job security. There'll always be a need for doctors, and even if you can't practice your specialty, you'll still be useful enough to not be perceived as dead weight in say, a zombie takeover sort of scenario.

But in all honesty, my heart, really, really isn't in it, and I'm not sure I can just go about forcing myself into it. I've been trying really, really hard to like it. My dad keeps going "You'll like it more once you get into medicine" but if I can barely even force myself to take the Kaplan full-lengths, I don't know how I'm going to even force myself to do the USMLEs.

My parents' standard responses are usually a variation on the following:

1. It's just a phase, you'll grow to love it.
2. There's so many specialties! You'll find one you like!
3. You're just psyching yourself out.
4. If you keep saying you hate it, you'll hate it. Be optimistic!
5. You can be a doctor and THEN you can do what you want in life!

#2 and #4 always get to me even though there's ostensibly good intentions behind them. I know my dad means that there's all sorts of grant writing and medical journal writing I could do to sate my writing muse, but... that's just not the sort of writing I want to do or really enjoy. I know life can't be all novel writing but I'd rather be writing articles or reviews about something I'm enthused about or editing someone else's writing than writing dreary jargon-filled medical journal entries. #4 always grates me, because honestly, when have you ever found a resident or any sort of young doctor really with enough time to write a novel?

This whole business hasn't helped my muse either incidentally; I've been almost completely unable to write anything decent because I've been subconsciously guilting myself away from writing because "I should be doing something medicine-y instead", thus playing exactly into my parents' thoughts that "writing really wasn't for me in the first place". It's a viscous cycle, with the net result that I've gotten almost nothing to show for the year and so forth I've been out of school.

I just think I'd feel a lot more at home on a college campus, in front of a class, or showing someone what's wrong with their short story in my office. I've just got to finish convincing myself that.

I don't know. I'm prepared to be torn apart and called a lazy wimp and run out of town, but I'll take it. I just feel like I'm forcing myself down a path I'd rather not go, and in the highly unlikely event I did get accepted despite my seeming subconscious self-sabotage, I wouldn't want to be stealing a spot from someone more enthused and wanting.


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TL;DR: I need something to convince me that I don't want to become a doctor and a way to stand up to my parents and tell them that, because right now it seems like I'm forcing myself to go into medicine and all I'll be doing is being unhappy and failing through medical school.
 
Dude you don't wanna be a doctor. Go find some career that will make you happy.

Full disclosure: I only read the tl;dr
 
It's your life, not your parent's. They can't live vicariously through you, no matter what they say. Live fast, take chances, and enjoy YOUR life.

Also read the tl;dr version.
 
Move out of your parents' house. Problem solved.
 
Go shadow a few doctors in your home town, or ask your sister and her husband to come talk to your parents about how difficult this path is, even if you're really interested in it... emphasizing how much harder it will be if your heart really isn't in it.

I get your parents' concerns, but really, it's your life, and you need to tell them that medicine is just not the thing for you.
 
I actually read the long version.

You don't have to stand up to your parents. You won't get in with your current mindset.

You have to interview to get into medical school, and your motivation (ie fear of your parents) will be apparent and keep you from getting in.

FYI, you could tell them no and save the effort but just play along if you have to.
 
i want just thank you for putting a tl;dr version. verbose posters take note.
 
I skimmed what you wrote, so forgive me if I missed out on something.

From what I could gather, however, it seems as if your parents are understanding, albeit a bit pushy.

I would sit down with them and have a serious conversation: i.e. I understand what being a physician entails, and I know I don't want to do it.

Have a set plan laid out for them. For instance, it seems as if you want to go to graduate school. Have you taken your GREs? If you have - that's wonderful and you can tell your parents that you're planning on applying to graduate school this year, as you seem to be set on pursuing that career path. I know deadlines for science PhD programs are early December, but I'm not sure about humanities PhD programs. If you haven't, or your score wasn't that competitive, study for them and retake it.

I'm not sure how competitive you are for English Literature PhD programs, and the best thing I can think of is to talk to an advisor who can help you determine whether you should apply this year. Above all, he/she can definitely help you with the application process.

All in all, I would not go into medical school unless you truly cannot imagine yourself pursuing any other career. As you already know, you wouldn't be happy doing it, and it only gets tougher after you become a physician.

Best of luck to you. I would make a plan, and then present that plan to your parents, so that they understand that you've truly thought through what you want to do with your future.
 
First of all, I can say that medicine is not something to be forced into. It requires many dedicated years of hard work; not wanting to do it is only going to make that harder.

It seems like you've both set your passions and wrote medicine off long ago. Since you've hit a bump in the road (only being accepted to a small Pennsylvania College for graduate writing), it looks like your parents think that you should give up your real passion entirely in pursuit of something you don't want.

Many times, premedical students need to take a good long look at their applications to medical school that were unsuccessful the first time and spend a year or more preparing for reapplication.
In a similar way, you should look at what went wrong with your applications to the MFA programs and work on pursuing your real dream, not another that almost seems like a "panic move" by your parents.

As for how much your parents are spending on you, it does not matter that quitting pre-medicine would be a "slap in the face" to them, because ultimately, they are wasting their money now as much as they would be later. They're trying to fill a hole that has no bottom. You've been slapping them for years now but they don't seem to be aware of it.
To be blunt, they should use their resources to help you pursue your real dream.

I hope this all helps, and good luck with everything!
 
As with girlfriends, they're gonna tell you what they want, and you're gonna tell them how it's gonna be.
 
You can go for a PhD. You will be studying something that you most likely will enjoy more and you will still get to have "Dr." title in front of your name.
 
OP you asked a question you knew the answer to. Don't go if you don't want to -- you'll hate it! ESPECIALLY RESIDENCY
 
Just to play devil's advocate, the chances of you EVER working as a writer/editor in the capacity that you want to are slim to none. There is little to no demand for good writers in the journalism world. Even being incredibly talented will not get you a book deal. My very very good friend is a writer/editor for a well known publication in NYC (and a freelancer on the side), and it is hyper-competitive, low-paying, soul-crushing work with a very unfavorable scut work to real writing ratio. It's a slog dude.

Don't go into medicine if you don't want to, but you need to think about a plan C because a career as a writer is becoming a fictional concept.
 
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Just to play devil's advocate, the chances of you EVER working as a writer/editor in the capacity that you want to are slim to none. There is little to no demand for good writers in the journalism world. Even being incredibly talented will not get you a book deal. My very very good friend is a writer/editor for a well known publication in NYC (and a freelancer on the side), and it is hyper-competitive, low-paying, soul-crushing work with a very unfavorable scut work to real writing ratio. It's a slog dude.

Don't go into medicine if you don't want to, but you need to think about a plan C because a career as a writer is becoming a fictional concept.

This.

The only time one of my best friends uses his creative writing degree is when he sits down each December to write the annual reviews for the people who work under him on the help desk he supervises. And he is FAR from the exception.
 
Thanks for the input in all directions, folks. I needed both the simple "Grow some balls" and the more detailed answers really, and I'm glad I got some devil's advocates too.

Yeah, the plan C is kind of hard. That's why even though I think I know the answer I keep trudging back to medicine because the writing alternative isn't particularly shiny no matter how optimistic I am myself.
 
You don't have to practice medicine all the time. I know plenty of female doctors that only work part time. You can do writing in your free time and if you're really successful stop practicing medicine altogether. And if you're realllly not into medicine you can always use your MD to get a sweet consulting job or even go into some sort of management. The MD degree opens up more doors than an MFA ever will.

You'll always have job security and $$$ and prestige as a doc - hard to find that combo in other professions. Your parents are just looking out for you and your best interests.
 
You don't have to practice medicine all the time. I know plenty of female doctors that only work part time. You can do writing in your free time and if you're really successful stop practicing medicine altogether. And if you're realllly not into medicine you can always use your MD to get a sweet consulting job or even go into some sort of management. The MD degree opens up more doors than an MFA ever will.

You'll always have job security and $$$ and prestige as a doc - hard to find that combo in other professions. Your parents are just looking out for you and your best interests.

An MD will simply open up doors that lead to places the OP doesn't want to go, it's not like everyone wants the same things out of life. If the OP is uninterested in medicine, then she/he is free to do some soul searching and figure out his/her own way to happiness.
 
You don't have to practice medicine all the time. I know plenty of female doctors that only work part time. You can do writing in your free time and if you're really successful stop practicing medicine altogether. And if you're realllly not into medicine you can always use your MD to get a sweet consulting job or even go into some sort of management. The MD degree opens up more doors than an MFA ever will.

You'll always have job security and $$$ and prestige as a doc - hard to find that combo in other professions. Your parents are just looking out for you and your best interests.

....huh? Jokes? No one should go into medicine with the outlook that the OP has. If it is not for him, then its not going to be for him "part time" either. OP, do what makes you happy, life is too short to go after your parent's dream.
 
An MD will simply open up doors that lead to places the OP doesn't want to go, it's not like everyone wants the same things out of life. If the OP is uninterested in medicine, then she/he is free to do some soul searching and figure out his/her own way to happiness.

True...at the end of the day it's about doing what makes you happy. But you can still go to med school and write. Writing isn't going anywhere.

But you can't fault her parents for wanting her to go into medicine. If OP is really that opposed to it she would have not gone through with part of the process (starting to take prereqs)
 
It sounds like your parents are living vicariously through you.
 
You'll fit right in medical school. A lot of medical students didn't enter the field because they are passionate about it. That's why most doctors hate their life and would not do it over agian.
 
If writing was what you wanted to do, how exactly did they convince you to give up your dream? If you can give up something that easily, I don't think you were all that driven in the first place.

No offense, but luckily, with your current attitude, med school is probably not in the cards for you, so no need to worry about being unhappy and failing through it.

Don't let your parents hold your hand anymore. You are an adult now. I think it's pretty unreasonable for them to expect you to devote the rest of your adult life to something that you clearly do not want to do.
 
Here's what you tell them:
"I'm going to hate you if you make me do this."

Every parent's second worst nightmare.
 
Normal thread, everyone posts and agrees completely and posts cohesive responses to support the correct decision for the OP.

Then flatearth comes along and posts the absolute incorrect answer.

Yep, sounds about right to me.
You don't have to practice medicine all the time. I know plenty of female doctors that only work part time. You can do writing in your free time and if you're really successful stop practicing medicine altogether. And if you're realllly not into medicine you can always use your MD to get a sweet consulting job or even go into some sort of management. The MD degree opens up more doors than an MFA ever will.

You'll always have job security and $$$ and prestige as a doc - hard to find that combo in other professions. Your parents are just looking out for you and your best interests.
 
Now this is what you do...

You be realistic, look for a job in high-demand that will make you happy, tell your parents to shut the hell up. You go out with your girlfriends and party all night long, and come home, you move to another state, you flip your hair back and forth, and then you make your decision.

Make your decision and you stick to it!! YOU STICK TO IT!!! You tell your folks what you gonna do and you STICK TO IT!!!! WAHHHh!h!h!!
 
Ever heard of this guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton

You'd probably try and talk him out of med school as well, huh?


"""At Harvard he developed the belief that all diseases, including heart attacks, are direct effects of a patient's state of mind. He later wrote: "We cause our diseases. We are directly responsible for any illness that happens to us." Eventually he came to believe in auras, astral projection, and clairvoyance""""

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"""At Harvard he developed the belief that all diseases, including heart attacks, are direct effects of a patient's state of mind. He later wrote: "We cause our diseases. We are directly responsible for any illness that happens to us." Eventually he came to believe in auras, astral projection, and clairvoyance""""

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Sorta half true, fundamentally our actions are major reasons we encounter many diseases and disorders ( Life-styles which weaken our immunity, stressors, psychological factors). However, beyond that he's just talking about bull, we are not directly responsible or at fault for any of this.
 
Have you actually shadowed physicians (besides your psychiatrist relatives?) Definitely look into doing this so you can base your decision on the reality of being a physician (and not your parents' ideas).

It seems like you are thinking mainly about the negatives of medicine and the positives of writing. Try to think about the pros and cons of both. If you don't know what the pros of medicine are, shadow. If you don't find any pros, well, there's your answer. If you do, though, try to balance them against the commitment/whatever else you dislike about medicine. For writing, think about things like tighter budgets causing a shift to adjunct faculty, the difficulty of securing tenure (especially in the humanities), etc. Try to balance this against your enjoyment of writing.

If you're still ambivalent after shadowing, I have your answer: get your MD, and if you don't like clinical practice, become 1) a consultant, 2) a medical screenwriter, 3) a medical consultant for TV shows like House, or 4) the next Atul Gawande.
 
Normal thread, everyone posts and agrees completely and posts cohesive responses to support the correct decision for the OP.

Then flatearth comes along and posts the absolute incorrect answer.

Yep, sounds about right to me.

Makes me glad that I miss the little message ignored box 90% of the time.
 
Wait. There are people who don't want to be doctors?
 
You don't have to practice medicine all the time. I know plenty of female doctors that only work part time. You can do writing in your free time and if you're really successful stop practicing medicine altogether. And if you're realllly not into medicine you can always use your MD to get a sweet consulting job or even go into some sort of management. The MD degree opens up more doors than an MFA ever will.

You'll always have job security and $$$ and prestige as a doc - hard to find that combo in other professions. Your parents are just looking out for you and your best interests.

mmmm bad advice methinks.
 
Honestly, the only advice that really seemed like someone actually thought about the situation and looked out for the OP's best interests was the advice given by flatearth. Everyone else just got really giddy that there would be one less person to compete with and spammed him to not apply.
 
Honestly, the only advice that really seemed like someone actually thought about the situation and looked out for the OP's best interests was the advice given by flatearth. Everyone else just got really giddy that there would be one less person to compete with and spammed him to not apply.

I now feel bad for feeling bad for you with your frat brothers' prank.
 
I agree with everyone else. It's your life. You need to live your life for you, not for someone else, no matter who they are. If you give in to your parent's desires you will wind up unhappy and full of regrets, you might even blame them for the choices you made.
 
I now feel bad for feeling bad for you with your frat brothers' prank.

^ Truth

Seriously though, I see so many people on their deathbeds and trust me, you do not want to be the ones regretting their lives because they didn't chase their dreams, even if your dreams do turn out to be empty and you have to settle for something less. It really makes a difference to have tried.
 
Honestly, the only advice that really seemed like someone actually thought about the situation and looked out for the OP's best interests was the advice given by flatearth. Everyone else just got really giddy that there would be one less person to compete with and spammed him to not apply.

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Honestly, the only advice that really seemed like someone actually thought about the situation and looked out for the OP's best interests was the advice given by flatearth. Everyone else just got really giddy that there would be one less person to compete with and spammed him to not apply.
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Honestly, the only advice that really seemed like someone actually thought about the situation and looked out for the OP's best interests was the advice given by flatearth. Everyone else just got really giddy that there would be one less person to compete with and spammed him to not apply.


The pre-allo boards are a bigger hivemind then the Stormfront message boards. Their only saving grace is the large amount of traffic they receive and the quick back and forth that happens. But in terms of quality it's a joke....I spend most of my time these days on the Allo board and the Specialty boards. A lot of specialty boards like Anesthesiology and Emergency Medicine boards are pretty damn awesome 👍
 
The pre-allo boards are a bigger hivemind then the Stormfront message boards. Their only saving grace is the large amount of traffic they receive and the quick back and forth that happens. But in terms of quality it's a joke....I spend most of my time these days on the Allo board and the Specialty boards. A lot of specialty boards like Anesthesiology and Emergency Medicine boards are pretty damn awesome 👍

Wow, seriously bro? Comparing SDN to Stormfront just because we don't agree with you?
 
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