Drexel Hospital Closing

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ciestar said:
Unclear exactly. They said they have clinical sites to accomodate everyone either way.
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“If Freedman closes Hahnemann abruptly or without authority, the lawsuit says, “there would be potentially catastrophic consequences for patients, Drexel, the hospital’s residents, Drexel University College of Medicine students and faculty, and the community at large.”

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Drexel sues to block threatened closure of Hahnemann University Hospital

The lawsuit sharpens the fight over the future of Hahnemann and its parent, American Academic Health System, which laid off 175 in April in a bid to conserve cash.
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This California banker bet on turning around Philly’s Hahnemann Hospital. He’s running out of time.

Chief executive Joel Freedman thought his experience with safety-net hospitals near Los Angeles and in Washington would help him with a turnaround at Hahnemann. It hasn’t so far.
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nimbus said:
“If Freedman closes Hahnemann abruptly or without authority, the lawsuit says, “there would be potentially catastrophic consequences for patients, Drexel, the hospital’s residents, Drexel University College of Medicine students and faculty, and the community at large.”

www.inquirer.com

Drexel sues to block threatened closure of Hahnemann University Hospital

The lawsuit sharpens the fight over the future of Hahnemann and its parent, American Academic Health System, which laid off 175 in April in a bid to conserve cash.
www.inquirer.com www.inquirer.com

www.inquirer.com

This California banker bet on turning around Philly’s Hahnemann Hospital. He’s running out of time.

Chief executive Joel Freedman thought his experience with safety-net hospitals near Los Angeles and in Washington would help him with a turnaround at Hahnemann. It hasn’t so far.
www.inquirer.com www.inquirer.com
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Yeah I’ve seen the articles. That lawsuit was tossed on Tuesday.

But we’ve also had a meeting with our deans and clinical education... nothing “catastrophic” is happening with the medical students.
 
ciestar said:
Yeah I’ve seen the articles. That lawsuit was tossed on Tuesday.

But we’ve also had a meeting with our deans and clinical education... nothing “catastrophic” is happening with the medical students.
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Meh. Sucks for everyone who needed LORs or are applying to a competitive specialty.
 
While this is very unfortunate for those working and especially those being treated there... I'm hoping this turns into good news in the form of waitlist movement and a bump for some people.
 
7331poas said:
Meh. Sucks for everyone who needed LORs or are applying to a competitive specialty.
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I agree. They keep providing reassurance that those LORs will happen.. but who’s to say.
People are heartbroken.
 
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Would it be wise to here still for the 2019-2020 application season?
 
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They are losing some rotation sites at the hospital that closed. They have other sites. The rotation site issue should be resolved by the time you get to M3. You might have to travel to get to some future sites. I'm not aware the school is on probation for academics. You will still have an MD when you finish. I feel sorry for the residents who now have to pack up and take their govt funding and leave. Spouses may have jobs in philly. Residents may not find comparable training. Very sad.
 
7331poas said:
They might have rotation sites but they certainly wont be of the same quality.
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There are students who spend their entire third year in Pittsburgh and at least when I was there at Monmouth.

I spent most of my Medicine rotation in Harrisburg and a large part of my Surgery rotation in NJ.

They’ll be fine.
 
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VincentAdultman said:
There are students who spend their entire third year in Pittsburgh and at least when I was there at Monmouth.

I spent most of my Medicine rotation in Harrisburg and a large part of my Surgery rotation in NJ.

They’ll be fine.
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Monmouth isnt a site anymore. We just lost Kaiser too.

But i did an all year for M3. I thoroughly enjoyed the site and learned a lot. No regrets.
 
VincentAdultman said:
That’s unfortunate. I liked it there (Monmouth)

Had a lot of buddies who rotated at AGH and thought it was a great experience.
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Rutgers took over Monmouth, unfortunately.

The people i know who were at AGH had great experiences as well.
 
7331poas said:
I get that, but you lose your options for things like nsg ortho or ophtho right?
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Allegheny offers all three of them and Im assuming this is where students needing to do these rotations will end up.

Ortho is also an option at Easton and St Chris
 
ciestar said:
Rutgers took over Monmouth, unfortunately.

The people i know who were at AGH had great experiences as well.
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AGH is a solid clinical site. I rotated with a lot of Drexel and Temple students when I was there. If you guys expand numbers there you might displace the LECOM students. No matter how you look at it Hahnemann closing is going to have big effects on at least a few med schools in PA.
 
hallowmann said:
AGH is a solid clinical site. I rotated with a lot of Drexel and Temple students when I was there. If you guys expand numbers there you might displace the LECOM students. No matter how you look at it Hahnemann closing is going to have big effects on at least a few med schools in PA.
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Oh, absolutely. Our other sites like Abington (Jeff, Temple, PCOM), Crozer (Jeff at the very least), York (again Jeff).. and then St Chris (Temple and PCOM) just as a few examples. Everyone is going to feel a squeeze. Jeff has a bigger class than we do and they have students to place as well. It is a mess
 
ciestar said:
Oh, absolutely. Our other sites like Abington (Jeff, Temple, PCOM), Crozer (Jeff at the very least), York (again Jeff).. and then St Chris (Temple and PCOM) just as a few examples. Everyone is going to feel a squeeze. Jeff has a bigger class than we do and they have students to place as well. It is a mess
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It felt like Jeff students were everywhere. Bumped into them near Pittsburgh, random rural PA, Upstate NY. The whole state is saturated with med students. How many students had Hahnemann as a primary clinical campus?
 
hallowmann said:
It felt like Jeff students were everywhere. Bumped into them near Pittsburgh, random rural PA, Upstate NY. The whole state is saturated with med students. How many students had Hahnemann as a primary clinical campus?
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Im not 100% sure but the number I was quoted for the third year class it is about 30% at a given time, which is still ~75 people. Not sure about M4, but definitely a smaller number since these are electives. (But at the same time, DR had 10 students a block for M4’s)
 
DexterMorganSK said:
What will happen to the residents at this place? Will ACGME help?
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As I understand it, if categorical residents are in a program that shuts down, they still have funding that will follow them wherever they go. So they need to find an accepting program, but they are covered financially.
 
ciestar said:
More people complained about crappy experiences at HUH than anywhere else
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Maybe, but working at HUH was one of the core experiences that most (not all) students shared. It was part of the character of the school that you generally spent time in an inner city hospital caring for Philadelphia’s most vulnerable. HUH was an actual and psychosocial war zone, which I mean in the most noble way. I think that the loss is pretty tragic from that perspective. My experiences there were not always the most fun but I think they were all some of my most formative experiences.

That said, I agree that future students will be fine and get good training. I do think that something significant has been lost with HUH closing but, at the end of the day, it probably will not play a huge role in the quality of doctor one becomes after attending this school.
 
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sloop said:
Maybe, but working at HUH was one of the core experiences that most (not all) students shared. It was part of the character of the school that you generally spent time in an inner city hospital caring for Philadelphia’s most vulnerable. HUH was an actual and psychosocial war zone, which I mean in the most noble way. I think that the loss is pretty tragic from that perspective. My experiences there were not always the most fun but I think they were all some of my most formative experiences.

That said, I agree that future students will be fine and get good training. I do think that something significant has been lost with HUH closing but, at the end of the day, it probably will not play a huge role in the quality of Doctor one becomes after attending this school.
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St Chris gives you this perspective too.
 
ciestar said:
St Chris gives you this perspective too.
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And hopefully the financial restructuring following bankruptcy causes no problems with St. Chris.

That said, I don’t think it’s a replacement for HUH. Not everybody does a core rotation at St Chris. When I was there, almost everybody wanted to rotate there for peds in order to stay in philly (or for obvious reasons if one was interested in pediatrics). Most did not get it. I only briefly rotated there as part of my surgery rotation.

Additionally, because of CHIP and other programs looking to protect kids, there is a degree of insulation in pediatrics from many of the broader challenges of working with this population. I won’t deny that there is some of this at St. Chris, but it’s not a substitute for Hahnemann in my opinion.
 
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sinombre said:
As I understand it, if categorical residents are in a program that shuts down, they still have funding that will follow them wherever they go. So they need to find an accepting program, but they are covered financially.
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Apparently not all the funding is being released in a timely manner.



whyy.org

Judge rules Hahnemann can sell its residency programs to highest bidder

The hospital's lawyers could not agree on a closure plan with city and state health officials in time for Friday’s scheduled hearing, and the matter was pushed to next week.
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servingtheunderserved said:
Here are a few examples of how it impacts us students

1) About to be the whole year outside Philly when I requested to stay in Philly
2) Internet sucks at ALL of the sites (UWORLD pictures and audio not showing)
3) Prison sized dorms can have 2 students in each room
4) Drexel staff lie to you and act like they have your best interest at heart ("we will work with you" turns into "you have no choice, this is all we have")
5) Drexel is not telling the full truth about how much Hahnemann closure is impacting us students
6) When living at sites in 3rd year, most spots do not allow you to move in until the day you start rotations

What exactly is my 60k going towards this year?
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You tell em man. Its pretty crazy how medical students have zero legal recourse when schools do not uphold their promises. In any other financial transaction this wouldn't fly.
 
PugsAndHugs said:
I am actually annoyed for you guys about this, it has been coming up on EVERY interview.
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Yep, every PD brings it up during their presentations. Then i am asked more questions about it... and i never rotated there
 
I don’t go to school anywhere near Drexel and PDs still frequently bring up Hahnemann as an example of what could happen if a hospital isn’t financially stable, I can only imagine how many questions Drexel students get.
 
bananafish94 said:
I don’t go to school anywhere near Drexel and PDs still frequently bring up Hahnemann as an example of what could happen if a hospital isn’t financially stable, I can only imagine how many questions Drexel students get.
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A ton. Every interview.. except at Drexel’s FM program lol
 
Lawper said:
What's the current status of rotations there? Because i heard it got even more difficult and the admin wasn't really helpful?
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Admin never was especially helpful lol

Basically, they found spots for everyone who needed them. Some are just farther away from Phily than people would have liked, which sucks.

Only about 1/3 of M3’s were ever rotating there at a time. M4’s lost a lot of electives, but Allegheny out in Pittsburgh basically has anything you can think of.
 
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