dual programs and fellowships

[cheruka]

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If I do a MD residency at a dual program, will I have better chance of getting into ACGME fellowships than if I did a DO residency at a dual program? I am a DO and will most likely match at a dual program. Just trying to figure out which match to hope for...😕

 

[Black Adder]

Aren't all the AOA residencies going to be under the ACGME umbrella starting 2015 anyways? If you're starting residency now, by the time you finish, all the "DO" residencies would technically be "MD" (though everyone will know they were DO to begin with..). Would there even be such a thing as a "dual" program?

 

[cheruka]

Aren't all the AOA residencies going to be under the ACGME umbrella starting 2015 anyways? If you're starting residency now, by the time you finish, all the "DO" residencies would technically be "MD" (though everyone will know they were DO to begin with..). Would there even be such a thing as a "dual" program?

There will be a single match in stead of two. But I think there will still be two paths one can take. This is my understanding. Hope I am wrong.

 

[Dharma]

There will be a single match in stead of two. But I think there will still be two paths one can take. This is my understanding. Hope I am wrong.

This is probably the case. It sounds as if the integration of the matches will occur over a number of years. Some speculate that eventually MDs will also be eligible for DO residencies, but nowhere is there any indication that this will occur right off the bat. My guess (from what I have read) is that the only implication this will have in the near future is the luxury of only having to deal with one match process and not have to worry about being pulled from the ACGME match as a result of landing an AOA spot.

All of that said, none of this is concrete yet. They have come to an agreement to work things out so to speak, however it appears as if it could change at any moment. The only thing that is for certain is that for the next few years, AOA residency grads can still enter ACGME fellowships. Everything else is still sort of in limbo.

 

[cheruka]

So, if a candidate enters a dual program and chooses a MD route (ACGME residency) after completing a DO degree, how will his license be different from a DO who enters a dual program and chooses the AOA route? My understanding is- both take COMLEX 3 unless, he/she already completed the USMLE series in addition to COMLEX I and II. In the latter case, the candidate will have a choice of taking COMLEX III or USMLE III. My school says if you complete the COMLEX seies, you will be an "osteopathicphysician". Can someone help me to understand?
Thanks much!

 

[Dharma]

So, if a candidate enters a dual program and chooses a MD route (ACGME residency) after completing a DO degree, how will his license be different from a DO who enters a dual program and chooses the AOA route? My understanding is- both take COMLEX 3 unless, he/she already completed the USMLE series in addition to COMLEX I and II. In the latter case, the candidate will have a choice of taking COMLEX III or USMLE III. My school says if you complete the COMLEX seies, you will be an "osteopathicphysician". Can someone help me to understand?
Thanks much!

As a DO, you'll be an osteopathic physician either way, regardless of chosen exam. Now whether you are AOA or ACGME board certified will be determined according to your training. That said, I know very little about licensing and board certifications thus far.

Also, I would assume that if a DO is entering a dual program they will very much be considered AOA. Maybe also be eligible for dual certification? Maybe I'm wrong on this? Anyway with more knowledge about this want to chime in?

 

[cheruka]

Well, I found out more from the dual FM programs by asking them directly. Basically, you take ABFM if you match NRMP and you take ABOFM if you match AOA. But, if you a re a DO, you can also take both ABFM and ABOFM. Other than this, the training is exactly the same except some AOA conference and a few OMM didactics thrown in for the DO's who will take ABOFM.

If a program is strictly ACGME, you take ABFM.
If a program is strictly AOA, you take ABOFM.

 

[Dharma]

Well, I found out more from the dual FM programs by asking them directly. Basically, you take ABFM if you match NRMP and you take ABOFM if you match AOA. But, if you a re a DO, you can also take both ABFM and ABOFM. Other than this, the training is exactly the same except some AOA conference and a few OMM didactics thrown in for the DO's who will take ABOFM.

If a program is strictly ACGME, you take ABFM.
If a program is strictly AOA, you take ABOFM.

Did they say anything about what will happen with a combined match? (I doubt anyone really knows yet though).

 

[Bacchus]

Did they say anything about what will happen with a combined match? (I doubt anyone really knows yet though).

I haven't heard but and I didn't find anyone on the interview trail really dealing with specifics yet.

 

[cheruka]

Did they say anything about what will happen with a combined match? (I doubt anyone really knows yet though).

Nope. But I suspect that while there will be a single match, there will continue to be two type of licenses etc., at least for some time.