Duke Surgery

[Hilltopper]

Why Duke is the best general surgery program in the country:

• Brightest collegues of the applicant pool.
• #1 research funding of any surgery department in the US
• Complexity of cases from an international catchment area.
• Faculty that are leaders in every subspecialty- Vascular, Cardiothoracic, Transplant, Plastics, Surgical Oncology, Minimally Invasive
• Unparalleled tradition of excellence.

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[SouthernSurgeon]

• Brightest collegues of the applicant pool.

I don't usually make fun of spelling on message boards, but I couldn't help it this time.

 

[ParamedicMan]

"Brightest collegues of the applicant pool."

Guess we can tell who didn't fit in that category. Sesame Street rules: one of these applikants ain't like the other one...(spelling intentionally bad)

 

[Winged Scapula]

Sez who?

 

[asmallchild]

Why Duke is the best general surgery program in the country:

• Brightest collegues of the applicant pool.
• #1 research funding of any surgery department in the US
• Complexity of cases from an international catchment area.
• Faculty that are leaders in every subspecialty- Vascular, Cardiothoracic, Transplant, Plastics, Surgical Oncology, Minimally Invasive
• Unparalleled tradition of excellence.

Oh that's unfortunate

 

[cabernet]

Why Duke is the best general surgery program in the country:

• Unparalleled tradition of excellence.

nt
...of spending the next ten years of your life slaving away in the hospital as a lowly resident.

No thanks.

 

[SLUser11]

Why Duke is the best general surgery program in the country:

• Brightest collegues of the applicant pool.
• #1 research funding of any surgery department in the US
• Complexity of cases from an international catchment area.
• Faculty that are leaders in every subspecialty- Vascular, Cardiothoracic, Transplant, Plastics, Surgical Oncology, Minimally Invasive
• Unparalleled tradition of excellence.
• Whitest pants in the US....at least at first

Added my own.....

 

[Dimoak]

You donut have to spell good to be a good sturgeon.

 

[Hilltopper]

Sorry for the spelling error- was doing some pre-rounds reading and not paying attention. I guess I’ll learn. Just pumped about this match.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Ahhh...makes sense now. Glad you're stoked but I wish you luck.

 

[hans19]

nt
...of spending the next ten years of your life slaving away in the hospital as a lowly resident.

No thanks.

White pants and short med student white coats! Wait isn't that the nursing student outfit at most places?
Go Duke!

PS Everyone loves a self-congratulatory surgeon!

 

[ESU_MD]

Why Duke is the best general surgery program in the country:

• Brightest collegues of the applicant pool.
• #1 research funding of any surgery department in the US
• Complexity of cases from an international catchment area.
• Faculty that are leaders in every subspecialty- Vascular, Cardiothoracic, Transplant, Plastics, Surgical Oncology, Minimally Invasive
• Unparalleled tradition of excellence.

lets see what you think about this propaganda once you've been working there as an intern for a few months.

 

[funshi baba]

Wow, there's a lot of Duke fan on this thread

I live abt 15mins away from duke and still not a fan of duke. Everytime i walk into that hospital, there is a feeling of tension coming over me everytime.

Good program though but am sure they already got there people

 

[SLUser11]

Sorry for the spelling error- was doing some pre-rounds reading and not paying attention. I guess I'll learn. Just pumped about this match.

Wait a minute.....you're pumped that you matched there, so you start a thread celebrating Duke's greatness with the first line being "Brightest collegues (sic) of the applicant pool," referring to yourself?


I don't want to attack you, and you are welcome to post whatever you want, but that's some interesting behavior......that sort of rhymes with "Swooshie."

I guess Duke is a self-fulfilling prophecy....thanks for contributing to our already well-established stereotype.

 

[funshi baba]

the rumor mill also has it that as an intern at duke, you never get to the see the OR.

 

[maxheadroom]

I don't want to attack you, and you are welcome to post whatever you want, but that's some interesting behavior......that sort of rhymes with "Swooshie."

Damn, SLUser, I love you more and more everyday! My sentiments PRECISELY!

 

[Hampster10]

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[tictectoe]

Why Duke is the best general surgery program in the country:

• Brightest collegues of the applicant pool.
• #1 research funding of any surgery department in the US
• Complexity of cases from an international catchment area.
• Faculty that are leaders in every subspecialty- Vascular, Cardiothoracic, Transplant, Plastics, Surgical Oncology, Minimally Invasive
• Unparalleled tradition of excellence.

I'm pretty sure MGH Surgery is, by FAR, the #1 in research funding.

 

[pRotAgOnIsT]

Why Duke is the best general surgery program in the country:

• Brightest collegues of the applicant pool.
• #1 research funding of any surgery department in the US
• Complexity of cases from an international catchment area.
• Faculty that are leaders in every subspecialty- Vascular, Cardiothoracic, Transplant, Plastics, Surgical Oncology, Minimally Invasive
• Unparalleled tradition of excellence.

You forgot to add that they're modest, unassuming, and humble. Wow. Is this for real?

 

[SocialistMD]

I'm pretty sure MGH Surgery is, by FAR, the #1 in research funding.

You would be incorrect. However, Duke includes all divisions of surgery (i.e. neurosurgery) in those rankings, so they may not be the number one funded department of general surgery.

 

[blackandtan]

you could add highest divorce rate to that list, I hear.

 

[Apollyon]

You would be incorrect. However, Duke includes all divisions of surgery (i.e. neurosurgery) in those rankings, so they may not be the number one funded department of general surgery.

There's something up with that, though, as the list to which you link lists grants by medical school, and Harvard isn't even on that list.

 

[droliver]

Duke's post grad fellowships in surgery were always much more highly regarded then their general surgery program. It just wasn't a place you went to for that as the specialists were the horse driving the cart

 

[tictectoe]

There's something up with that, though, as the list to which you link lists grants by medical school, and Harvard isn't even on that list.

And unless Brigham & Women's and Beth Israel Deaconess suddenly lost all of their funding as well, there's something fishy about that data.

Also, it's from 2005.

 

[maxheadroom]

I'm not affiliated with any of the mentioned institutions, but the question about Harvard and its affiliated hospitals may be related to the fact that they're only affiliates and not a single institution. If Dr. X's NIH grant goes to the Brigham, then it might not show up on an accounting of Harvard's grants. The Brigham, BID, and MGH are financially independent hospitals whereas Duke's hospital is actually part of the university (if I understand things).

 

[VincentAdultman]

Sweet, you're going to get treated like S#$%, but it'll be by big timers. That makes it better.

 

[SocialistMD]

... Harvard and its affiliated hospitals may be related to the fact that they're only affiliates and not a single institution. If Dr. X's NIH grant goes to the Brigham, then it might not show up on an accounting of Harvard's grants. The Brigham, BID, and MGH are financially independent hospitals...

Exactly.

 

[Apollyon]

Exactly.

But those lists are of medical school administrations, not hospitals, and many of the schools listed have more than one major teaching hospital, but are still listed (if even 1 grant is given, they're on the list). Moreover, in areas besides surgery, Harvard is listed. I stand by my statement that something is off.

Or are you telling me that staff surgeons at the Brigham, Beth Israel, and MGH do not hold faculty appointments? The HAEMR (for example) (Harvard-Associated Emergency Medicine Residency) at BWH/MGH state specifically that their faculty have HMS faculty appointments. Would surgery be any different?

 

[SocialistMD]

But those lists are of medical school administrations, not hospitals, and many of the schools listed have more than one major teaching hospital, but are still listed (if even 1 grant is given, they're on the list). Moreover, in areas besides surgery, Harvard is listed. I stand by my statement that something is off.

Or are you telling me that staff surgeons at the Brigham, Beth Israel, and MGH do not hold faculty appointments? The HAEMR (for example) (Harvard-Associated Emergency Medicine Residency) at BWH/MGH state specifically that their faculty have HMS faculty appointments. Would surgery be any different?

That's the difference; it is the HAEMR vs general surgery residency at MGH, BID or BW. The NIH funding that goes to the departments of surgery at MGH, BID and BW go there, not to Harvard, even though they are affiliated with that institution.

 

[maxheadroom]

As I wrote earlier, I have no first-hand knowledge of these institutions. As I understand it (from friends who have worked at the Harvard-affiliated hospitals), they are not financially related. They do have faculty appointments, but not all of the faculty are tenure-track academic faculty. Some are clinical track community faculty who have privileges at the big-name hospitals.

 

[jc7721]

You would be incorrect. However, Duke includes all divisions of surgery (i.e. neurosurgery) in those rankings, so they may not be the number one funded department of general surgery.

The NIH stopped doing there own rankings in 2005. They now provide a searchable database to do your own analysis.

http://report.nih.gov/award/trends/BrowseOrgs.cfm?NameBegins=H&InstFilter=

From 2008, the rankings would look like this (MGH and Brigham are not on this list because Harvard did not specifically list department of surgery funding, go figure. I'm sure they both would be on this list somewhere)

1. Duke $27,018,918
2. Michigan $16,845,773
3. Wash U $15,580,593
4. Pitt $14,505,879
5. Emory $9,637,115
6. UCSF $9,493,629
7. Penn $9,262,672
8. Maryland $8,254,332
9. Stanford $7,479,412
10. Vanderbilt $7,349,557
11. Minnesota $7,168,575
12. UTMB-Galveston $7,129,892
13. UCLA $6,983,112
14. Wisconsin $6,882,637
15. Alabama $5,471,361
16. UWash $4,661,125

 

[jc7721]

That's the difference; it is the HAEMR vs general surgery residency at MGH, BID or BW. The NIH funding that goes to the departments of surgery at MGH, BID and BW go there, not to Harvard, even though they are affiliated with that institution.

This is almost certainly the case. If you go the the link I just posted and search for MGH and Brigham, they have over 300 and 245 million in funding, respectively, but they don't break it down by department, so it's difficult to say how much money the surgery departments there are getting.

Maybe someone can just go ask Warshaw and Zinner how much money their departments have