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I have read on websites that EM PAs can easily make 125k$/year. How many hours does am EM work on average and is this statistic true?



Are any EM PAs dissatisfied with their job?



is it as hectic as it is for an MD/DO?
 
125k after 5 years very doable.
144-168 hrs/mo is a pretty typical schedule.
PAs who only work fast track(probably 60-70% of all em pas) are perpetual scut monkeys seeing low acuity patients all day long with minimal sense of accomplishment because most of the pts would have gotten well anyway by staying home and taking a few ibuprofen and some Sudafed.
the 40% of em pas who work in higher acuity areas have more responsibility and enjoy their jobs most. the PAs who work rural/solo or have great roles at urban trauma ctrs where they can see any pt and do any procedure are the happiest and best compensated em pas of all. this is probably the top 5% of em pas. a residency puts you in line for those jobs, or you could trudge up the ladder of crappy jobs, each slightly better than the last, over 15 years before landing a really good one, like I had to do.
 
125k after 5 years very doable.
144-168 hrs/mo is a pretty typical schedule.
PAs who only work fast track(probably 60-70% of all em pas) are perpetual scut monkeys seeing low acuity patients all day long with minimal sense of accomplishment because most of the pts would have gotten well anyway by staying home and taking a few ibuprofen and some Sudafed.
the 40% of em pas who work in higher acuity areas have more responsibility and enjoy their jobs most. the PAs who work rural/solo or have great roles at urban trauma ctrs where they can see any pt and do any procedure are the happiest and best compensated em pas of all. this is probably the top 5% of em pas. a residency puts you in line for those jobs, or you could trudge up the ladder of crappy jobs, each slightly better than the last, over 15 years before landing a really good one, like I had to do.

I don't know about the 60-70% of PA/NP doing fast track being unsatisfied. I assume most of them see medicine as a job which they are paid well. Personally I don't get a sense of accomplishment these days even as a Physician, I just want to punch in and punch out.
 
I don't know about the 60-70% of PA/NP doing fast track being unsatisfied. I assume most of them see medicine as a job which they are paid well. Personally I don't get a sense of accomplishment these days even as a Physician, I just want to punch in and punch out.

Yeah I tend to agree. Most PAs and NPs i come across are completely cool with their roles in the healthcare environment. You, my friend emedpa are the anomaly.
 
I don't know about the 60-70% of PA/NP doing fast track being unsatisfied. I assume most of them see medicine as a job which they are paid well. Personally I don't get a sense of accomplishment these days even as a Physician, I just want to punch in and punch out.
As I recall, the way you were treated and the scope of practice you were allowed as an em pa played a big role in your decision to go back to med school, yes?
For me this job has never been about the money. I toook my most recent job (solo coverage/rural) without even discussing the pay. I knew they would pay me what I am worth and they did. I found out when I got my first check. I would have worked there for 1/2 as much for the scope of practice, autonomy, and respect that goes with the job. I sent them a CV every year for a decade before I even got an interview.
 
Yeah I tend to agree. Most PAs and NPs i come across are completely cool with their roles in the healthcare environment. You, my friend emedpa are the anomaly.
this may be more of an east coast vs west coast thing. most of the east coast em pas I know are pretty happy, while most of the west coast em pas I know ( N= very many in both areas) are always looking for a better job where they can do more and be treated better.
 
As I recall, the way you were treated and the scope of practice you were allowed as an em pa played a big role in your decision to go back to med school, yes?

True but I was a rural EM PA not fast track. Also some of it was pride on my part.
 
It throws me off to read of "scut monkey" work NPPs have to do in some places because in my ED, most of the time it's only staffed with board certified EM physicians (rarely is an NPP is running around). The scut gets handled so we can open up the room again ASAP. Maybe the docs wish they had someone to throw cases to, but there isn't the option.
 
It throws me off to read of "scut monkey" work NPPs have to do in some places because in my ED, most of the time it's only staffed with board certified EM physicians (rarely is an NPP is running around). The scut gets handled so we can open up the room again ASAP. Maybe the docs wish they had someone to throw cases to, but there isn't the option.
must be in a small facility or a place not particularly friendly to pa/np folks. most EDs now use a pa or np and most have them see predominately lower acuity cases (level 3-5).
 
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No, just that multiple health systems competing with each other means hospitals brag about how when you come to their facilities, you get seen fast and by a physician. The customer expects it. There are NPs and PAs in there from time to time, but they take whatever comes in with the exception of big stuff.
 
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