Emergency Internship

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Seawolf420

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Hello all,

I made the decision to go from GP to an Emergency internship after 6 months because the practice wasn’t a good fit and I didn’t have mentorship.

I am in ER now and am at times overwhelmed. I feel like the breadth of information and application of it has been … a lot.

For people who similarly struggled: 1) how did it get better for you? (I.e. CE, reading textbooks, etc) 2) what was your initial case load and how did it progress throughout your internship

Thank you in advance!
 
VIN used to have a good “getting through the night” CE module. It’s been a long time so I can’t speak to current quality but it used to be good.

It’s been a long time since I was an intern, but feeling overwhelmed is essentially normal, imo. Just keep going and hope your mentors are there to keep you from making really big mistakes. My internship didn’t ever leave interns alone, so we had the luxury of taking cases a little slower at the beginning. Like as you finished one you’d grab another and the main ER doc would keep the others churning along. Then as we got more experience we were expected to see more and more of the caseload until at the end we were seeing most and the ER doc was mostly just there for busy times and to supervise. But not every program runs like that, for sure.
 
I didn't do an internship, but I switched straight into ER after four years in GP. (Mid-COVID, because I'm a masochist apparently lol).

What I recommend:
- get a vet girl subscription and go through the entire basic emergency CE. Honestly if you do this and can reference it, you can manage like 95% of what walks through the door.
- RECOVER CPR training
- FASTvet online ultrasound training (and see if you can get your hospital to swing you doing in-person instruction, too).

The VIN getting through the night is also a good suggestion and you can peruse multiple years to cover all the different topics.

Get a good quick reference book - Plunkett's used to be the go-to but is a bit outdated nowadays, I'd ask around your hospital if they have a fave.

Grow a tough skin because you can ask three different docs the same question and get three different answers. Some doctors are better at tolerating others doing things differently than others, and you'll sometimes get in the crossfire. It sucks but it's not personal.

And enjoy! ER can be overwhelming and sad, but also often really ****ing fun. My PMs are always open if you have any specific questions.
 
Just commenting here so I don't forget. Picked up a random half shift and headed to bed 🤣
 
Hello all,

I made the decision to go from GP to an Emergency internship after 6 months because the practice wasn’t a good fit and I didn’t have mentorship.

I am in ER now and am at times overwhelmed. I feel like the breadth of information and application of it has been … a lot.

For people who similarly struggled: 1) how did it get better for you? (I.e. CE, reading textbooks, etc) 2) what was your initial case load and how did it progress throughout your internship

Thank you in advance!
For context, I did a rotating that was extremely heavy on ER and then went to FT ER after. Continued to train interns for a few years. What you're feeling is pretty normal. I actually started my rotating on overnight ER and we did not have good oversight - my caseload for that was whatever was already admitted (including specialty service patients) and whatever walked through the door, which could be 30+ cases a night for me and maybe one other doctor. Days, particularly weekends, could be much higher but we usually had 2-3+ doctors on the floor. As I got more efficient and confident, it was easier to juggle multiple cases at once.

Getting the hang of ER can take a while, maybe close to a year if you're doing it full time and have decent mentorship now. CE and textbooks help for sure, but you just need experience and time to increase your efficiency. Once you learn how to work quickly and whip out your records, things get a lot better. A lot of ER is working as an air traffic controller - knowing when to treat and street, admit but doesn't need a specialist, or refer to a specialist. At the end of the day, you just need to know how to stabilize and manage the acute life-threatening stuff. For some ERs, that will include surgery and really critical cases, other ERs will do less intense surgery and boot the more critical stuff to the nearest specialist. IMO the clinics that either don't have the ability to refer out, or just will not for whatever reason, are harder to get the hang of because they're asking you to play surgeon/criticalist/ophthalmologist/internist/etc (I'm talking going beyond stabilizing/managing the acute presentation) when that's not really what ER is for imo.

+1 on Plunkett's being a good quick reference for a lot of things. Anything that needs more detail though (CRI trees, for example) will need critical care textbooks which your clinic should have.
 
Went from mostly GP with a little ER to full time ER pretty fast. The mentorship is key. I wish I'd just started at this place from the beginning tbh. We do internal rounds (topic rounds one week per month, M&M rounds the next week) and a lot of us are pretty motivated folks outside of work.

Knowing your skills set and what you don't know is important, especially with more complicated problems. Never wrong to offer specialty for the clients who need or want it. Don't be afraid to call for help. I have plenty of the local GPs and Urgent cares call me and ask for tips on if they try to handle something themselves. Figure out who the nice specialists are in the area, particularly dental and ophtho folks since that's the shady shenanigans that scares me 🤣

Efficiency is the name of the game. Let your techs have autonomy and don't micromanage them. Spend your time doing doctor things, not tech or assistant things unless the staff truly needs the help
 
Went from mostly GP with a little ER to full time ER pretty fast. The mentorship is key. I wish I'd just started at this place from the beginning tbh. We do internal rounds (topic rounds one week per month, M&M rounds the next week) and a lot of us are pretty motivated folks outside of work.

Knowing your skills set and what you don't know is important, especially with more complicated problems. Never wrong to offer specialty for the clients who need or want it. Don't be afraid to call for help. I have plenty of the local GPs and Urgent cares call me and ask for tips on if they try to handle something themselves. Figure out who the nice specialists are in the area, particularly dental and ophtho folks since that's the shady shenanigans that scares me 🤣

Efficiency is the name of the game. Let your techs have autonomy and don't micromanage them. Spend your time doing doctor things, not tech or assistant things unless the staff truly needs the help
Not trying to be arrogant here but I was arguably the fastest/most efficient doctor on my team, and every single case of mine walked out the door with a printed record in hand. Can count on 2-3 fingers the times I had to finish a record at home. Also led to me being the highest producer/highest caseload out of 25ish doctors, so if you ever end up on production in an ER setting, it literally pays to be efficient.

If I was not performing an exam/procedure and was not in a room talking with a client, I was sitting at my computer making estimates, whipping out records and dealing with inpatients. That's it. I had techs placing central lines, PICCs, NG tubes, idk what else. If we were short techs I would help, and I know that not all clinics have techs that can do these things/have enough techs, but doctors shouldn't be doing things that a skilled tech is absolutely capable of. I don't think I drew blood or placed a single catheter in my entire time there, rarely helped restrained, controlled how much time I spent in a room, etc and those are the things that some doctors get caught up doing.

If your clinic isn't setting you up for success in this way, your efficiency drops dramatically. And truthfully, if they are that short staffed or the techs are that untrained, they should focus on hiring/training techs instead of another doctor. ER/ICU is not a setting where a very green tech can succeed.

I was the only doctor on a day or night shift more times than I can count, but I was able to see however many cases/inpatients as long as I had enough techs. It wasn't fun, but I definitely left a 40-60 case shift as the only doc on that day with all of my records done (maybe had to stay an hour or two late on those particularly rough days) because I had enough techs with enough skills to handle everything. Tech and assistant support is absolutely the key to ER success. Those that didn't rely on their techs didn't produce as much, stayed late consistently, and were doing records over their weekends consistently.
 
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I absolutely wish. Part of it is a me problem cause I'm too social with some clients. But yes, we honestly don't have the best tech or assistant levels out there. We have a corporate update meeting today, so I might bring that up.
 
I absolutely wish. Part of it is a me problem cause I'm too social with some clients. But yes, we honestly don't have the best tech or assistant levels out there. We have a corporate update meeting today, so I might bring that up.
I was pretty lucky at my BPs - we had a lot of very experienced techs, and they were used to interns and I could absolutely trust them to be my second/third/fourth sets of eyes. I could not have accomplished that kind of case load without them.

As for getting trapped in rooms, yeah I just don't let it happen. I'm not shy about telling an owner that I don't have the luxury of the time it takes to hear about how their great great great grandma once died in some obscure, probably made up, way while I am trying to tell them that their dog needs an ultrasound. All while the lobby that they just walked through is standing room only.
 
I'm slowly getting better about it. They've been having me spend a lot more shifts at our busy hospitals and I've learned (again) that I simply don't have the time or emotional bandwidth to get as involved cause it's literally 2-3x the cases compared to my home hospital
 
I was pretty lucky at my BPs - we had a lot of very experienced techs, and they were used to interns and I could absolutely trust them to be my second/third/fourth sets of eyes. I could not have accomplished that kind of case load without them.

As for getting trapped in rooms, yeah I just don't let it happen. I'm not shy about telling an owner that I don't have the luxury of the time it takes to hear about how their great great great grandma once died in some obscure, probably made up, way while I am trying to tell them that their dog needs an ultrasound. All while the lobby that they just walked through is standing room only.

I've been begging them to teach techs on how to kind of cut off owners and move on. You don't have to be rude just have to not let them take over the conversation, you direct the conversation and keep it on track. But they refuse to tell the techs to go faster. Which doesn't work in urgent care, we need to move along especially since we're short staffed. I don't care how nice the client is, you don't need to hear about their grandma's fourth cousin's cat.
 
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