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Among the schools I have been accepted to, Emory and UVA (out-of-stater) are my top two choices. I was looking for some opinions from those who have interviewed at one or both of these schools. Below are my impressions:

Emory
great clinical experiences and reputation
very traditional cirriculum with joint tests
not so good facilities
big city

UVA
traditional cirriculum, but starts clinical stuff early
pass/fail grading system for first two years
I am worried about the clinical experiences, especially with how many away rotations I will do (if there is a current UVA SOM student out there, could you please post some info on this topic)
small town, but lots of fun college town things to do

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UVA: P/F

Emory: Letter Grades.
 
ohsocrafty22 said:
Among the schools I have been accepted to, Emory and UVA (out-of-stater) are my top two choices. I was looking for some opinions from those who have interviewed at one or both of these schools. Below are my impressions:

Emory
great clinical experiences and reputation
very traditional cirriculum with joint tests
not so good facilities
big city

UVA
traditional cirriculum, but starts clinical stuff early
pass/fail grading system for first two years
I am worried about the clinical experiences, especially with how many away rotations I will do (if there is a current UVA SOM student out there, could you please post some info on this topic)
small town, but lots of fun college town things to do

Third year at UVA is half away half in C-ville. I'm not to hot on this idea either. UVA is a state school so I guess it's an agreement with the state. But the other two MD schools in VA don't do this and western VA now has a DO medical school at Virginia Tech.
 
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I haven't decided if the away rotations (as a UVA student) are a good thing or a bad thing...here's why:
Positive Side: good diversity of patients and diseases; opportunities to see healthcare and healthcare management in different settings
Negative Side: don't understand why they need to do this...is it because they don't have enough spots in the hospitals?; are you guaranteed to spend that much time away, or does it depend on how UVA schedules their students?

Anyways, I really like UVA and their program, especially the pass/fail (but I also like Emory's program), I am just hung up on this away rotation thing as a UVA student...HELP

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ohsocrafty22 said:
Among the schools I have been accepted to, Emory and UVA (out-of-stater) are my top two choices. I was looking for some opinions from those who have interviewed at one or both of these schools. Below are my impressions:

Emory
great clinical experiences and reputation
very traditional cirriculum with joint tests
not so good facilities
big city

emory is breaking ground on a new medical school bldg pretty soon. this is not just a rumor...every single second year medical student has met with the deans regarding what we need and want in the new building. (i am a 2nd year emory student.) they're probably going to start next year. the facilities now aren't the greatest right now, but they aren't terrible either.

don't stress too much about the letter grades vs. P/F. the bottom line is that they will rank you one way or another, and i think you learn better in a school with letter grades b/c there's more motivation to try harder to pull up that borderline A/B to an A.

the general consensus around here is that the joint exams every few weeks sure beats studying for an exam every week or every few days and that it prepares you to study large amounts of info in a short amount of time like you'll have to do for the boards.

atlanta is a great city to live in!
 
ohsocrafty22 said:
I haven't decided if the away rotations (as a UVA student) are a good thing or a bad thing...here's why:
Positive Side: good diversity of patients and diseases; opportunities to see healthcare and healthcare management in different settings
Negative Side: don't understand why they need to do this...is it because they don't have enough spots in the hospitals?; are you guaranteed to spend that much time away, or does it depend on how UVA schedules their students?

Anyways, I really like UVA and their program, especially the pass/fail (but I also like Emory's program), I am just hung up on this away rotation thing as a UVA student...HELP

I have never been worried about away rotations probably because I don't really care. I have a third year friend who are almost done with his rotations and he told me that there were pros and cons about it. The pros are what you mentioned above. The cons are you get to spend some time in the boring rural area. All UVA students are required to do away rotations... If you want, you can spend about 2-3 months in Northern Virginia area as well. The reason for away rotation program is not because UVA hospital cannot accomodate everyone, it's due to both pressure from the state and the primary care committment UVa has made to the southwest part of Virginia. I just want to let you know that housings are provided for free in away rotations. Let me know if you have more questions. I know it's tough to choose the best one for you. I've been there. Good luck. :luck:
 
pillowhead said:
emory is breaking ground on a new medical school bldg pretty soon. this is not just a rumor...every single second year medical student has met with the deans regarding what we need and want in the new building. (i am a 2nd year emory student.) they're probably going to start next year. the facilities now aren't the greatest right now, but they aren't terrible either.

don't stress too much about the letter grades vs. P/F. the bottom line is that they will rank you one way or another, and i think you learn better in a school with letter grades b/c there's more motivation to try harder to pull up that borderline A/B to an A.

the general consensus around here is that the joint exams every few weeks sure beats studying for an exam every week or every few days and that it prepares you to study large amounts of info in a short amount of time like you'll have to do for the boards.

atlanta is a great city to live in!

I thought Emory's facilities were fine when I interviewed there. 😉 Anyways its interesting that Emory will be building a new building, because UVa has a plan to build a new med school building as well. It will take at least a couple of years to build one so I don't think incoming classes will be able to enjoy it though. I have to disagree with you though that I don't think you learn better with a letter grade system. P/F system takes off a lot of stress from you and get rid of a lot of competitions among students. I think in general most students prefer P/F whether you are ranked or not. Just my opinion. 🙂
 
10minutes said:
I thought Emory's facilities were fine when I interviewed there. 😉 Anyways its interesting that Emory will be building a new building, because UVa has a plan to build a new med school building as well. It will take at least a couple of years to build one so I don't think incoming classes will be able to enjoy it though. I have to disagree with you though that I don't think you learn better with a letter grade system. P/F system takes off a lot of stress from you and get rid of a lot of competitions among students. I think in general most students prefer P/F whether you are ranked or not. Just my opinion. 🙂

I don't think letter grades equate with competition at all. the competition is basically non-existent at emory and we have letter grades. i mean, we have a study aids online folder where everyone posts there notes and charts and stuff. nobody talks about grades at all. it's pretty laidback although people definitely want to do well, but i'm sure that's true everywhere.

p/f doesn't necessarily mean less competition. there are other ways to be competitive. and you will be ranked wherever you go which is what you will want anyway if you're closer to the top than the bottom. you may never know your rank...in fact you probably won't. i can't imagine a school divulging that information, but it's there. it has to be for your dean's letter and such when applying to residency.

anyway...they're both good schools, so don't sweat about it too much either way. choose based on location and money IMHO.
 
Emory's new building won't be used by this year's entering class, as it's going to be several years in the making. That said, they've gutted the old anatomy building and a few others, which will be opened for the incoming class, if not 1st year, then by the 2nd.
 
I'm applying to Emory for the entering class of 06 and hope to make it in, so if it was me, probably Emory, but I know nothing about UVA. Sorry for the lack of tangible help.
 
The Charlottesville area actually has quite a bit to do. The Blue Ridge Mountains and the Shenadoah Valley are absolutely pristine. I spent a week in fall hiking through the area, and it's something to see. The countryside is dotted with historic homes and (surprisingly) vineyards. Lots of nice places to take a date, sip wine, and enjoy the view. Maybe go tubing down the river. Basically, if you like the outdoors, UVA has a lot going for it.

If you're at all into it, Charlottesville also has a lot of nice bluegrass talent. There's a group that came out of there known as King Wilkie that can really jam.

I also went to a football game at UVA, and that was actually a lot of fun. There is a section of the stadium that's a grass hillside, and the students walk about and mingle during the game. Really nice social scene. And girls in sun dresses ain't bad, either 😉 Or guys in ties if that's your thing.

Another nice thing about UVA is that the housing is still affordable but rapidly increasing in value. A friend of mine had his parents buy a townhouse in C-ville when he went there for undergrad. Four years later, they sold it at a substantial profit. On top of that, his roommates had paid the mortgage on the place for those four years.

I've been accepted at both schools, as well and really like both. It seemed like you were getting a lot of pro-Emory stuff, so I thought I'd throw in some UVA stuff, as well.

Oh yeah, another nice thing is that you can walk to med school/hospital at UVA. Not really true at Emory.
 
NPursuit said:
The Charlottesville area actually has quite a bit to do. The Blue Ridge Mountains and the Shenadoah Valley are absolutely pristine. I spent a week in fall hiking through the area, and it's something to see. The countryside is dotted with historic homes and (surprisingly) vineyards. Lots of nice places to take a date, sip wine, and enjoy the view. Maybe go tubing down the river. Basically, if you like the outdoors, UVA has a lot going for it.

If you're at all into it, Charlottesville also has a lot of nice bluegrass talent. There's a group that came out of there known as King Wilkie that can really jam.

I also went to a football game at UVA, and that was actually a lot of fun. There is a section of the stadium that's a grass hillside, and the students walk about and mingle during the game. Really nice social scene. And girls in sun dresses ain't bad, either 😉 Or guys in ties if that's your thing.

Another nice thing about UVA is that the housing is still affordable but rapidly increasing in value. A friend of mine had his parents buy a townhouse in C-ville when he went there for undergrad. Four years later, they sold it at a substantial profit. On top of that, his roommates had paid the mortgage on the place for those four years.

I've been accepted at both schools, as well and really like both. It seemed like you were getting a lot of pro-Emory stuff, so I thought I'd throw in some UVA stuff, as well.

Oh yeah, another nice thing is that you can walk to med school/hospital at UVA. Not really true at Emory.


I could not agree with you more - all of those things you listed are among the numerous things that make UVA attractive. I really felt like I would get a good education and have a good time at UVA.
Anyways, what is your story, NPursuit...sounds like you have a lot of choices.
 
Hey ohsocrafty22,

I am currently a 4th year medical student at UVA. When I was applying to medical school, I was accepted at both Emory and UVA (also U Michigan - I was a Michigan resident). In the end, I choose to come to UVA because I had a better feeling with the people and the place than the other 2 schools. Now looking back, I can tell you that I am very happy with this decision and would not change a thing. It is a great school and the atmosphere here at UVA is Awesome. People are very laid back/down to earth and I have made some very good friend from my class. That was probably the biggest reason why I decided on UVA. When I did my first 2 yrs of med school, it was still A, B, Cs and with +/- but our class was definitely not competitve at all. In fact, people would email notes, outlines, or anything helpful to each other in the class. Last year, the 2nd year students made a CD rom with many many helpful notes and outlines compliled over the last 4 years for the incoming 1st years. Also all of your notes will be printed out 2-3 days before the class, so you will not need to take notes in class. (you don't even need to come to class ....) The professors were all very into teaching and available after classes. Plus, every year, each class asks us what we can change to make it better, and the school takes our suggestions very seriously. Most of the classes now are much better structured than when I took it 3 years ago.

The pass/fail grading system is also a great change. If takes alot of pressure/stress away and people still do great. The 2nd year class averages for each of the exams were about the same as our class. (but we will have to see how their class do on the boards.... Our class's average was 228 with greater than 30% of my class scoring above 245) I think the cirriculum at UVA really helps you do well for Step I. (Both pathology and pharm have culmulative exam at the end of your 2nd year).

Yes, as a 3rd year, you do have about 4-5 months of away rotations....Good or bad. Good in that, the experience during those away rotations were the best out of all my rotations. I did general surgery at Salem VA (did many outpatient cases as the primary surgeon with my resident assisting me, saw patients in the ICU and floor, did the admit orders, wrote all the daily notes, I was pretty much the intern on the service). My family rotation was in a rural VA town and my doc let me see all of his patients by myself before he steped into the room, I presented them, came up with the management plans and wrote the script. (Of course he had to agree with my plan before I can write the script). The other 2 rotations were also very educational. So having these away rotations is a very valuable experience for UVA medical students. The only bad thing is that you are away for 4-5 months and if you have family, it might be hard. The school will also set you up with housing and pay you for the food as well.

C'ville is a great place to live, much outdoors activity to do, in fact, Kaplan just named UVA the "Fittest School" in American for 2005. The main gym is awesome, tons of weight equipements, and it is always packed with undergrads. There is a total of 4 gyms on campus. Also everyone runs outside and there are always pickup B ball and soccer..... The corner is nice to go out if you want to meet the Undergrads, Downtown is the professional scene. Lots of great restaurants in Cville.

Overall you can not beat the things that UVA will offer you!!! It has a huge reputation that will only get better in the future with our current Dean. When I was doing my interviews, a lot of people told me that UVA is a great school. Look at our Match list for this year, most of my friends in the class got their #1 choice. We send people to all the big named places in the country: Int. Med - UCSF, Harvard, Duke, U mich, NW, U Penn, Cornell, etc. ENT: Hopkins, Iowa, OHSC,.... Ortho: U Penn, UVA, UMass... Peds: CHOP (2), UCLA, Harvard,... Psych: Harvard, Dartmouth, U Penn,.... Urology: Cleveland Clinic........the list goes on.

I think you schould choose a school that you feel the best fit with and that you think you will be happy at. (both UVA and Emory are great schools) Don't look too much into the US News research rankings....reputation is overrated. A lot of people in my class have turned down places like Columbia, Harvard, U Penn, Duke, Wash U, etc to come to UVA. I was out of state and the school did very well with my finanical aid package..... I got a 16,000 grant each year, and most people out of State get something in grant. So the tution for me was exactly the same as my in state school (Michigan) and less than Emory.

You should seriously consider coming to UVA. Great place to live, great reputations, people are very nice, and you will get what you want in terms of residency. If you have any questions, drop me a PM.

Here is our match list for 2005

http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/handbook/residency/Match/05/index.cfm
 
Wahoos - thanks so much for all the info...it is great to see current students so excited about their program!

Wahoos said:
Hey ohsocrafty22,

I am currently a 4th year medical student at UVA. When I was applying to medical school, I was accepted at both Emory and UVA (also U Michigan - I was a Michigan resident). In the end, I choose to come to UVA because I had a better feeling with the people and the place than the other 2 schools. Now looking back, I can tell you that I am very happy with this decision and would not change a thing. It is a great school and the atmosphere here at UVA is Awesome. People are very laid back/down to earth and I have made some very good friend from my class. That was probably the biggest reason why I decided on UVA. When I did my first 2 yrs of med school, it was still A, B, Cs and with +/- but our class was definitely not competitve at all. In fact, people would email notes, outlines, or anything helpful to each other in the class. Last year, the 2nd year students made a CD rom with many many helpful notes and outlines compliled over the last 4 years for the incoming 1st years. Also all of your notes will be printed out 2-3 days before the class, so you will not need to take notes in class. (you don't even need to come to class ....) The professors were all very into teaching and available after classes. Plus, every year, each class asks us what we can change to make it better, and the school takes our suggestions very seriously. Most of the classes now are much better structured than when I took it 3 years ago.

The pass/fail grading system is also a great change. If takes alot of pressure/stress away and people still do great. The 2nd year class averages for each of the exams were about the same as our class. (but we will have to see how their class do on the boards.... Our class's average was 228 with greater than 30% of my class scoring above 245) I think the cirriculum at UVA really helps you do well for Step I. (Both pathology and pharm have culmulative exam at the end of your 2nd year).

Yes, as a 3rd year, you do have about 4-5 months of away rotations....Good or bad. Good in that, the experience during those away rotations were the best out of all my rotations. I did general surgery at Salem VA (did many outpatient cases as the primary surgeon with my resident assisting me, saw patients in the ICU and floor, did the admit orders, wrote all the daily notes, I was pretty much the intern on the service). My family rotation was in a rural VA town and my doc let me see all of his patients by myself before he steped into the room, I presented them, came up with the management plans and wrote the script. (Of course he had to agree with my plan before I can write the script). The other 2 rotations were also very educational. So having these away rotations is a very valuable experience for UVA medical students. The only bad thing is that you are away for 4-5 months and if you have family, it might be hard. The school will also set you up with housing and pay you for the food as well.

C'ville is a great place to live, much outdoors activity to do, in fact, Kaplan just named UVA the "Fittest School" in American for 2005. The main gym is awesome, tons of weight equipements, and it is always packed with undergrads. There is a total of 4 gyms on campus. Also everyone runs outside and there are always pickup B ball and soccer..... The corner is nice to go out if you want to meet the Undergrads, Downtown is the professional scene. Lots of great restaurants in Cville.

Overall you can not beat the things that UVA will offer you!!! It has a huge reputation that will only get better in the future with our current Dean. When I was doing my interviews, a lot of people told me that UVA is a great school. Look at our Match list for this year, most of my friends in the class got their #1 choice. We send people to all the big named places in the country: Int. Med - UCSF, Harvard, Duke, U mich, NW, U Penn, Cornell, etc. ENT: Hopkins, Iowa, OHSC,.... Ortho: U Penn, UVA, UMass... Peds: CHOP (2), UCLA, Harvard,... Psych: Harvard, Dartmouth, U Penn,.... Urology: Cleveland Clinic........the list goes on.

I think you schould choose a school that you feel the best fit with and that you think you will be happy at. (both UVA and Emory are great schools) Don't look too much into the US News research rankings....reputation is overrated. A lot of people in my class have turned down places like Columbia, Harvard, U Penn, Duke, Wash U, etc to come to UVA. I was out of state and the school did very well with my finanical aid package..... I got a 16,000 grant each year, and most people out of State get something in grant. So the tution for me was exactly the same as my in state school (Michigan) and less than Emory.

You should seriously consider coming to UVA. Great place to live, great reputations, people are very nice, and you will get what you want in terms of residency. If you have any questions, drop me a PM.

Here is our match list for 2005

http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/handbook/residency/Match/05/index.cfm
 
Hey Tim,
(I send you this message via PM, but wasn't sure if you got it as this is the 1st time I posted on this forum, plus I think it might be helpful for other people to see this post)

No problem. You will love the school, the people, and the place!! I enjoyed my 4 years at UVA very much, and have met some of the best people there. My roommate is on the admissions committee and I have several other friends on it as well, and I know for a fact that UVA admits people based not only on their "numbers" but looks alot into the type of person you are by what you have done in your life and how you interviewed. (yes, it is true that once you get an interview at UVA, you are on equal grounds with everyone else, so everything comes down to what your interviewer thought of you. All we look for is that your personality fit your file and fit our school..... it is somewhat subjective....) UVA have waitlisted people with 38 on the MCAT and 3.98 GPA out of a top 10 undergrad b/c we didn't think that they were a good fit for the school. I lead several tours and have seen people with MBA, JD, phD, in the military, and other people from many different backgrounds. You will find that all of your classmates will have done something interesting in their lives, and people range from 20s to 40s, but everyone is also very qualified as our average MCAT is around 32 and GPA about 3.7. Plus the Dean of our school came from Baylor, and his mission is to increase our reputation in research and improve medical education to make UVA one of the top 10 medical schools in the near future (US news..... I know this is not a great way to judge how good a school is, but people do look at the list). Our school also received an 25 million gift from an law school alumni to build a new medical education building/campus like the law school, and it is going to break ground in the next few years. (it will not affect you) The 6th research building is in the works now........

Also when you decide to come to UVA, the previous 1st years will make a orientation schedule for your class = some kind of party, camping trip, bar hopping, travia night, bowling etc, for all the incoming 1st years. We do this as a way for you to meet and interact with your classmates and to make friends in the 1st week because these are the people that you will be with for a long time..... most of the people that I became very good friends with was the people that I met the 1st week at these events.

Plus our Dean is extremely helpful if you have any personal problems. You can take time off, postpone an exam, or take a year of if you need. Once you get into medical school, UVA will try very hard to graduate you (this is true for most medical schools), but you still have to do alot of work........

I think you can not go wrong coming to UVA.... The school have a great reputation and you will enjoy your 4 yrs in C'ville!!! There is so much outdoors things to do.. hiking, mountain biking, running, tennis, wine tours, etc, etc,....

Our match list was awesome this year, and every year we do great. If you go to US news and look at the residency director reputation rating column for UVA, it is a 4.1, and that places us in the top 15 or so medical schools. This is what is important when you are trying to apply for a residency. (all the Residency PDs rate that incoming interns each year from each school on how they perform to get this rating)

If you or anyone have any other questions about UVA, feel free to PM me.

Thanks and good luck with your decision.
 
Wahoos,

Thanks for all of your information. I am trying to decide between my state school, UC Davis, and UVA and it is really nice to hear the perspective of someone who has actually been there. Do you remember how long after you submitted the financial information that you got your cost estimate? It might be the deciding factor....
 
swimerpaco said:
Wahoos,

Thanks for all of your information. I am trying to decide between my state school, UC Davis, and UVA and it is really nice to hear the perspective of someone who has actually been there. Do you remember how long after you submitted the financial information that you got your cost estimate? It might be the deciding factor....

Swimerpaco -

I talked to the financial aid office (UVA) last week and they said they we should expect financial aid packages by the end of April (no later than the first of May) - kind of late, I know.
If you still have the information from the interview, the financial aid insert (really like 20 pages) is quite useful.
Are you going to the second-look weekend?
 
I want to, but another plane ticket is around $400. I already know I really like the school, so I don't think seeing it again is going to sway my decision. They said they were going to send out more information about it this week, so I am going to wait for that, then make a decision.
 
Hey Swimerpaco,

How much of a grant that you get also depends on how much your parents makes. So if your parents are rich, then you might not get as much.... but in the end, I know UVA will try to take care of all the out of staters. Also one of my good friends from the class did her undergrad at UC Davis and came to UVA. If you want to email her, just drop me an PM and I will forward her email address to you. She matched at Northwestern for internal medicine.

Good luck to you guys/girls on your decision.

In the end, every school will make you a competent doc and how much you learn is up to you. Just pick one that you feel a better fit (atmosphere and people) and that you "think" will make you the happiest..... A second look is good and try to talk to as many the current medical students as you can.

As you can see, 4th year medical school is great and we have tons of time to check/post messages on forums like this one.... 🙂
 
Hey,

Check out the post that I wrote today on the thread about admissions. You are getting 36 on the practice MCATs... that is great, and the score should be somewhat similar to the real thing +/- 2 points. I actually talked to my Dean of admissions just a few weeks ago about the admissions process here at UVA because I am going to my undergrad to give a talk next week. Basically you need to be between 10-12 on each section of the MCAT (higher the better)....thus 10, 10, 10 is a better score than 6,12,12. (but there are people in the class below a 30, just it is in the minority, just like people above a 36) Also your GPA should be somewhat decent and I think 3.4 is fine (in state students have a lower average vs out state). All the E.C. and volunteer, PS, letters of rec are very important. Basically, only the Dean of our schol Beth Bailey reads all of the applications when they are sent and she makes the decision to invite people for interviews. We get about 3500 to 4000 apps per year for 139 spots. Out of that number, 800 or so are in state and 3000 or so are out of state. 250 people from each group are invited for an interview (thus you have a 30% of getting a interview as a in stater vs <10% chance as a out of stater) We give about 2:1 accpetances, about 250 invites and get our class from that number. How many people get of the list varies each year. My yr, 3 people was pulled from the list and last year about 20 something. Once you have an interview, you are on equal grounds with everyone else, all comes down to what your interviewers say about you..... if both says they love you and with no objections from the committee = you are in. One says no, you go to a vote to committee and majority gets you in, if both says no = wait list. We rarely reject people.... handful each year. The process is subjective, but so is alot of things in life (promotions, strength of your letter of recs, and your clerkship grades once you get into medical school, etc....). But basically, being in state, with a good MCAT AND good GPA plus the other factors that I mentioned above will get you an interview. Once you interview, you have about 50% chance of getting in.

PM me if you have any other questions.

Thanks
 
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