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Being exposed to something like the Beers list, or ACB, or MARS, does not necessarily lead to practice changes, it's been pretty stable.

As for the patterns, we can keep it pretty simple Patterns in Outpatient Benzodiazepine Prescribing in the United States

As said, primary care definitely among the increase, psychiatry remains pretty stable in usage despite increase knowledge of risk and adverse outcomes. I've got a few regarding prescribing in the 65+, but those are on my home computer at the moment.
 
Being exposed to something like the Beers list, or ACB, or MARS, does not necessarily lead to practice changes, it's been pretty stable.

As for the patterns, we can keep it pretty simple Patterns in Outpatient Benzodiazepine Prescribing in the United States

As said, primary care definitely among the increase, psychiatry remains pretty stable in usage despite increase knowledge of risk and adverse outcomes. I've got a few regarding prescribing in the 65+, but those are on my home computer at the moment.

Thanks for the paper, I appreciate to being exposed to data. Obviously a big paper as well but some initial thoughts:


A) ~80% of benzo scripts were written by non-psychiatrists. Roughly half came from PCPs

B) significant majority of scripts are continuation rather than new starts. You would expect this of course but it is also totally consistent with the idea I have been pointing out, namely that many psychiatrists are trying to manage the legacy of the benzo-happy days of yesteryear rather than lots of new starts.

C) how does AMCS identify physicians to survey? It it is based on insurance paneling or registration of any kind you are missing a big chunk of the specialty, introducing a systematic sampling error. This is much less true for most other specialties.

D) there is a drop in the rate at which psychiatrists in general are prescribing benzos per visit. Not as big as either of us would like I am sure but it is still there. I don't see the info I'd need to calculate effect size but maybe I am overlooking it.

E)Psychiatrists are still responsible for the same proportion of total benzo scripts more or less but given the rate of starting them is dropping, again consistent with the managing chronic benzos started a while back picture. You'd also almost hope that psychiatrists would be responsible for a disproportionate percentage of these scripts regardless given the indications for these meds, just like you'd kind of hope GI docs are more responsible for prescribing Linzess or whatever.

F) data's not in the paper but I would love to see a breakdown of prescribing patterns by years in practice. Unfortunately clinical medicine is like science in that enduring change often comes through generational shift rather than particular practitioners remaining flexible. I would put cash on the table betting that a disproportionate share of those scripts are coming from docs who trained before the harms of benzos were obvious.

G) the way in which they assessed indication, while of course reasonable given limitations of data, is going to make it very difficult to actually figure out how appropriate any of those prescriptions are. I agree with you that the answer to the question of how many BZDs should be prescribed is probably "less", it is also not zero and not a trivially small number either.

I will need to digest this further. I hope this convinces you I am engaging with this in good faith.
 
Thanks for the paper, I appreciate to being exposed to data. Obviously a big paper as well but some initial thoughts:

I will need to digest this further. I hope this convinces you I am engaging with this in good faith.

Appreciate the thoughts. I definitely see PCPs as the bigger perpetrators, on average, both anecdotally and in the majority of the lit. Getting a little bit to your point F, it would be interested to see that breakdown, as well as a sort of frequency analysis. As in X number of prescribers are responsible for X% of scripts for certain classes. At least anecdotally, it would seem to mirror the wealth distribution of the US in that a relatively small number of prescribers seem to be responsible for an outsized number of xanny bars given.

As to the continuation, I am curious as to how many people will continue a pre-existing script, even if they think it's inappropriate, with no taper plan? I know many patients will refuse a taper plan, so what's the cutoff between continuing to see them, or refusing to see them without a taper? My wife is pretty anti-maintenance benzo as well, but obviously has to fill some scripts when she is covering now and then, except that one 14mg a day script. But, she will refuse to continue a script long-term if they will not taper down.

I have some thoughts for the other areas, but I'm treading water this week as the kid has been sick and we've been juggling days at home because he can't go to daycare, so I need some time to delve into the numbers heavy stuff.
 
Oh, I remember one point, for which I'll try and track down a couple of the citations I have. Scripts to the 65+age group increased more than other age demos through the 90s and til recently. Seems to have leveled off slightly, maybe a very slight decrease, we'll have to wait a few years to see if it's a pattern or not. That data is more limited and I haven't seen it stratified in many ways. So, I do see a higher percentage of pts in the demo group that is seeing the largest increase in scripts, despite the concern that this is the very age group in which alternatives should be used in the first place.
 
Oh, man, how did I miss the appointment times part? Maybe people who trained in South Asia and were routinely expected to see 50 people a day or whatever would be comfortable with this but there is no six figure sum you could pay me to take a job like that.

you wouldn’t take it for 900k..?
 
I would love to see some of the studies you mention about prescribing patterns, in all seriousness. Lay it on me, I read fast.

Perhaps you can also accept the overwhelming evidence that physicians trained in the last decade have all had repeated exposure to things like the Beers Criteria, as evidenced by medical school and residency curriculums nationwide?

some of us were trained much longer than a decade ago
 
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