End of retina glory days?

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The giant quagmire that has become retina clinics now due to lack of gooddays funds seems to have exposed a giant flaw in our system.
Most insurances are high deductible. Patients cannot afford a 300 dollar copay per injection. The days of doing avastin primarily still saw high retina incomes due to good oct and procedure reimbursement. It seems that the drug rebates were shielding retina from the cuts that came later.
Is a high volume avastin clinic with such low reimbursements even sustainable? What direction do you guys think we are headed?
Gooddays allowed drug companies and doctors to get paid, insurances to pay less, patients to pay less. Word on the street is that gooddays is done. Anyone here any differently?

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It’ll be interesting to see the impact this has on our incomes towards the end of the year. It does seem very unlikely that Good Days will ever return. Good news is, a lot of patients have regular Medicare with good secondaries. Bad news is, there are also a lot of patients who only have Medicare (no secondary) or are on a Medicare Advantage plan. There will definitely be more Avastin usage and a hit to the bottom line
 
The other issue is that Avastin costs are going up; my colleagues are starting to feel the squeeze due to increasing costs from compounding Avastin. The time it takes to discuss these things with patients takes too much time out of clinic flow and even then they may not understand it. Eventually something is going to have to give; if these companies choose to not fund something similar to Good Days, their bottom line will be impacted. Either something similar to Good Days is re-established, or medication costs will have to come down if these companies do not want to get their stock prices and cash flow impacted (ophthalmology is a major revenue source for them).
 
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I think business of retina is this weekend, so we’ll see what the text threads look like tomorrow. Agree that Good Days is probably done. Monetarily we’ll catch up some since there will invariably be more exams and injections, but quality of life for patients and us won’t be great. It’s bad for patient care, but this is what happens when big pharma calls the shots (maybe pun).

The big players are cutting off their nose to spite their face. There’s going to be a big drop in their brand name orders unless they drop the prices or start funding. I asked a PE buddy recently what they’re doing and it sounds like they’re being strongly encouraged to upsell their patients. Unsurprising with so many being at the mercy of the drug distributors who own them. No conflict of interest of course.
 
I think business of retina is this weekend, so we’ll see what the text threads look like tomorrow. Agree that Good Days is probably done. Monetarily we’ll catch up some since there will invariably be more exams and injections, but quality of life for patients and us won’t be great. It’s bad for patient care, but this is what happens when big pharma calls the shots (maybe pun).

The big players are cutting off their nose to spite their face. There’s going to be a big drop in their brand name orders unless they drop the prices or start funding. I asked a PE buddy recently what they’re doing and it sounds like they’re being strongly encouraged to upsell their patients. Unsurprising with so many being at the mercy of the drug distributors who own them. No conflict of interest of course.

And when a recession hits, these companies are going to be SOL.
 
Its possible I'm just in the wrong chats... But does anyone know
1. What exactly changed from 2024 to 2025 that has allowed the disassembly of GoodDays ?
2. Has Gooddays coverage ceased only for ophthalmology or have all medical specialties funded by GoodDays also seen a job in coverage.

I've heard that a certain company that begins with "R" didn't fund Gooddays to the level they normally do. Then my rep tells me their contributions did not change, but other companies didn't fund at the usual rates... and Gooddays has an independent board that makes their own decision. Is this a a move by Big Pharma to shut down biosimilars ?

Even if you are the major contributor to GoodDays and your drug has the major market share, defunding for a year hoping to starve out competitors seems a$$-backwards. Some patients will switch back to generic and may never switch back to your drug again. Raising the rebates won't encourage a practice to purchase more of your drug... especially if the patients can't afford it.

The Math ain't Mathing to me. What am I missing?>
 
Its possible I'm just in the wrong chats... But does anyone know
1. What exactly changed from 2024 to 2025 that has allowed the disassembly of GoodDays ?
2. Has Gooddays coverage ceased only for ophthalmology or have all medical specialties funded by GoodDays also seen a job in coverage.

I've heard that a certain company that begins with "R" didn't fund Gooddays to the level they normally do. Then my rep tells me their contributions did not change, but other companies didn't fund at the usual rates... and Gooddays has an independent board that makes their own decision. Is this a a move by Big Pharma to shut down biosimilars ?

Even if you are the major contributor to GoodDays and your drug has the major market share, defunding for a year hoping to starve out competitors seems a$$-backwards. Some patients will switch back to generic and may never switch back to your drug again. Raising the rebates won't encourage a practice to purchase more of your drug... especially if the patients can't afford it.

The Math ain't Mathing to me. What am I missing?>
I believe the story is this:
So the funding from GoodDays is specifically from the chronic disease fund/macular medications section. The funding comes from donations, and in this case, most of it came from Regeneron. Regeneron was happy to do this because most of the funding went to pay for Eylea. This was a win-win situation - the donation to Good Days is a tax writeoff, and the funding helped Eylea maintain market share, while patients had their medications covered. If this sounds like a legal way to get around their version of Stark law/anti-kick back rules, well...it was.

What changed from 2024-2025 didn't occur during that time period, it was before. Once Vabysmo came onto the market, it started to eat into Eylea's lion share. It didn't really start to snowball until later on when Vabysmo received more FDA approvals and EyleaHD didn't take off as well as Regeneron wanted it to - not surprising since Vabysmo is cheaper than EyleaHD. Now with that and Pavblu in the market, it's harder for Regeneron to maintain its past market share, and because of that, they pulled funding since they don't want to be funding their competitors. In a vacuum I don't blame Regeneron for that, but obviously its going to affect patient care significantly.

Genentech offered to match it but the independent board running it wants funds to be equitable from contributors instead of one company using Good Days as a way to establish market share. So now it's a game of chicken from both big pharma and Good Days. Ask the reps and you may or may not get a response, since these decisions are being held close to the chest of the main players.

The squeeze on top of this is that Avastin costs are going up but reimbursements are not. At this rate you might need to dust off your focal laser settings.
 
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Thank you for the comprehensive explanation and backstory.
 
I believe the story is this:
So the funding from GoodDays is specifically from the chronic disease fund/macular medications section. The funding comes from donations, and in this case, most of it came from Regeneron. Regeneron was happy to do this because most of the funding went to pay for Eylea. This was a win-win situation - the donation to Good Days is a tax writeoff, and the funding helped Eylea maintain market share, while patients had their medications covered. If this sounds like a legal way to get around their version of Stark law/anti-kick back rules, well...it was.

What changed from 2024-2025 didn't occur during that time period, it was before. Once Vabysmo came onto the market, it started to eat into Eylea's lion share. It didn't really start to snowball until later on when Vabysmo received more FDA approvals and EyleaHD didn't take off as well as Regeneron wanted it to - not surprising since Vabysmo is cheaper than EyleaHD. Now with that and Pavblu in the market, it's harder for Regeneron to maintain its past market share, and because of that, they pulled funding since they don't want to be funding their competitors. In a vacuum I don't blame Regeneron for that, but obviously its going to affect patient care significantly.

Genentech offered to match it but the independent board running it wants funds to be equitable from contributors instead of one company using Good Days as a way to establish market share. So now it's a game of chicken from both big pharma and Good Days. Ask the reps and you may or may not get a response, since these decisions are being held close to the chest of the main players.

The squeeze on top of this is that Avastin costs are going up but reimbursements are not. At this rate you might need to dust off your focal laser settings.
This.
Essentially G won't pony up is the rumor and R is over it. If you look at the tax returns for gooddays, the highest reported donation is 400 million. The next highest donation? 10 million. G is not contributing commiserate to market share.
Also, biosimilars and complement inhibitors are being funded from the same pool. So essentially for R, it's not a clear win-win situation anymore. And G isn't willing to truly step up either.
 
I’ll buy everything except maybe GD’s board telling G no if they’re actually going to pony up when they’re this far in the red. I could understand them sticking to their morals and wanting equality, but they already accepted the same with R previously, and as a charity I would think they’d take the cash where it comes.
 
This.
Essentially G won't pony up is the rumor and R is over it. If you look at the tax returns for gooddays, the highest reported donation is 400 million. The next highest donation? 10 million. G is not contributing commiserate to market share.
Also, biosimilars and complement inhibitors are being funded from the same pool. So essentially for R, it's not a clear win-win situation anymore. And G isn't willing to truly step up either.
This is my understanding as well. Regenron was essentially subsidizing everyone else. Biosims and complement inhibitors entering the space really complicated the landscape.

Missing from this conversation is the insurance industries responsibility in all this. Medicare “dis” advantages ridiculous copay structure, step therapies, etc in many ways created the need for CDF. Lots of places to point the finger.
 
This is my understanding as well. Regenron was essentially subsidizing everyone else. Biosims and complement inhibitors entering the space really complicated the landscape.

Missing from this conversation is the insurance industries responsibility in all this. Medicare “dis” advantages ridiculous copay structure, step therapies, etc in many ways created the need for CDF. Lots of places to point the finger.
Absolutely. Some patients are even getting kicked off their Medicare advantage plans because the shots are too expensive.

I think what's even more sinister is not being able to return to traditional Medicare with medigap insurance without underwriting
 
I believe the story is this:
So the funding from GoodDays is specifically from the chronic disease fund/macular medications section. The funding comes from donations, and in this case, most of it came from Regeneron. Regeneron was happy to do this because most of the funding went to pay for Eylea. This was a win-win situation - the donation to Good Days is a tax writeoff, and the funding helped Eylea maintain market share, while patients had their medications covered. If this sounds like a legal way to get around their version of Stark law/anti-kick back rules, well...it was.

What changed from 2024-2025 didn't occur during that time period, it was before. Once Vabysmo came onto the market, it started to eat into Eylea's lion share. It didn't really start to snowball until later on when Vabysmo received more FDA approvals and EyleaHD didn't take off as well as Regeneron wanted it to - not surprising since Vabysmo is cheaper than EyleaHD. Now with that and Pavblu in the market, it's harder for Regeneron to maintain its past market share, and because of that, they pulled funding since they don't want to be funding their competitors. In a vacuum I don't blame Regeneron for that, but obviously its going to affect patient care significantly.

Genentech offered to match it but the independent board running it wants funds to be equitable from contributors instead of one company using Good Days as a way to establish market share. So now it's a game of chicken from both big pharma and Good Days. Ask the reps and you may or may not get a response, since these decisions are being held close to the chest of the main players.

The squeeze on top of this is that Avastin costs are going up but reimbursements are not. At this rate you might need to dust off your focal laser settings.
Was trying to follow this as a non-optho and chatGPT came in clutch haha:

"The post you're referring to outlines a behind-the-scenes look at how pharmaceutical funding, market dynamics, and patient assistance programs like Good Days interact — especially in the context of expensive medications for chronic and vision-related conditions like macular degeneration.

Here’s an expanded version with more background, context, and explanation of what's being said:


Expanded Explanation:

1. The Role of Good Days and Regeneron's Strategy:

Good Days is a charitable organization that helps patients pay for their medications, especially in expensive categories like chronic diseases and macular medications. The funding for these programs comes from donations — often from pharmaceutical companies themselves.

In this case, Regeneron (maker of Eylea and EyleaHD) donated to Good Days. It was a strategic move:

  • Tax benefits: These donations are likely tax-deductible.
  • Market share protection: By funding a program that pays for Eylea, they help patients afford their product, indirectly boosting its use and maintaining its dominance in the market.
The post implies that this setup skirts the edge of laws like the Stark Law and Anti-Kickback Statute, which are designed to prevent conflicts of interest in medical referrals and treatment decisions. While technically legal, the setup seems ethically murky — it benefits patients, yes, but also protects a company’s commercial interests.


2. The Disruption: Vabysmo and Pavblu Enter the Market

Between 2024 and 2025, big changes happened — though the shift started even earlier:

  • Vabysmo (Roche/Genentech) entered the market and offered a cheaper alternative to Eylea, which started eroding Regeneron’s market share.
  • Over time, Vabysmo gained more FDA approvals, increasing physician confidence and expanding its potential use.
  • Meanwhile, EyleaHD, Regeneron’s new formulation, didn't gain the traction they hoped for.
With both Vabysmo and Pavblu now available and gaining ground, Regeneron’s response was to pull back funding from Good Days — likely because continuing to donate would help pay for competitor drugs under the same assistance program.


3. The Standoff: Market Equity vs. Strategic Giving

Genentech reportedly offered to match Regeneron’s donations, but the board running Good Days refused to allow companies to control the flow of funds in ways that benefit one specific brand.

This created a stalemate:

  • The board wants equity across all brands, not favoritism.
  • Big pharma companies want leverage and return on their donations.
So now, Good Days is underfunded, and patients are left in the lurch, caught between pharma politics and nonprofit governance.


4. The Final Blow: Rising Avastin Costs

Avastin
, a lower-cost off-label alternative for eye conditions, is also becoming less viable:

  • Its cost is going up, likely due to manufacturing, distribution, or policy changes.
  • But reimbursement rates are not increasing, which squeezes doctors financially.
  • As a result, physicians may have to go back to older treatment methods, like focal laser therapy, which is less desirable but more affordable.

What This All Means:

  • Patients lose out when pharma companies withdraw assistance funding.
  • Doctors face difficult choices, with rising costs and reimbursement pressures.
  • Market competition, while good in theory, is making assistance programs more contentious.
  • The nonprofit middlemen (like Good Days) are being forced into gatekeeper roles, trying to maintain fairness while stuck between corporate interests."
 
I’d be careful with ChatGPT - It might literally be referencing this thread.

I had asked it this same question prior to this thread starting and it said that federal funding freezes and cuts could have impacted Good Days. I think it does an online search and right now there’s very scarce information available online.
 
Hi All - Following up on the Good Days discussion: given Genentech's reported offer to "match" previous funding, and the critical need for patient assistance, why do you think the Good Days board would refuse such an offer, emphasizing "equitable contributions" instead? Seems counterintuitive when patients would ultimately suffer. Adding to that, since Regeneron was reportedly the main contributor before other drugs like Vabysmo came along, wasn't Good Days already predominantly funded by one entity (Regeneron) at that time? What's fundamentally different now that makes their stance on "equitable contributions" so rigid?
 
These drug companies are acting like spoiled children…….”why do I have to give as much as them? My drugs are not used anywhere near as much?” Their decisions hurt the bottom line of retina docs but have got to be hurting them even more as we are unable to use each company’s major anti-VEGF product.

Not sure about the “equitable contributions” part but they may be making that statement to look like they are complying, related to legal reasons. In order for Good Days to work, the pharmaceutical companies are supposed to put money into the pot but can’t say “you can only use my money for my drugs”. The equitable contributions seems to work against that idea somewhat
 
Hi All - Following up on the Good Days discussion: given Genentech's reported offer to "match" previous funding, and the critical need for patient assistance, why do you think the Good Days board would refuse such an offer, emphasizing "equitable contributions" instead? Seems counterintuitive when patients would ultimately suffer. Adding to that, since Regeneron was reportedly the main contributor before other drugs like Vabysmo came along, wasn't Good Days already predominantly funded by one entity (Regeneron) at that time? What's fundamentally different now that makes their stance on "equitable contributions" so rigid?
What's fundamentally different is that regeneron likely making the argument that they want to contribute in tandem with their market share for their actual drug, and gooddays has been using regeneron funds to offset vabysmo, biosimilar and complement inhibitor costs for patients. The drug companies can't control where the money goes but they can say they will only contribute commiserate to other companies and gooddays has to play that game
 
Keep in mind these Pharma companies are doing well in other sectors. Regenron for example is raking it in with dupixent. I'm hearing through the grapevine that they are slowly moving away from the retina space to pursue other/bigger endeavors. So from a business standpoint, it may make sense for them to contribute less and let other companies that are more dependent on retina for survival to struggle. Not sure if this is true or not but wouldn't be surprised.
 
With Genentech now offering replacements, Good Days IMO is dead in the water.
 
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