Epidemiologist by training, starting the process of pre-med. Any feedback?

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Hi all! I have been lurking here for a while, and I know there are dozens of threads like this every week, but after speaking to friends and family about my plan I'm hoping to just get some feedback from people who have already started or gone through this process as a non-trad.

About me:
B.A. in Sociology at a top school in Canada (I'm American)- graduated with a 3.6 cGPA. Took absolutely no science courses, though I took several stats courses. Most of my undergraduate coursework in Sociology was related to health or medicine (Gender and Health, Health Care Systems, etc). I also completed an undergraduate thesis on American health care reform for which I did original research. My GPA is a little low because I took a lot of very intensive/credit heavy french courses to learn the language quickly- I got a 4.0 my last year when I was taking all difficult upper-level sociology coursework.

After this, I took a 2 year break from school, during which time I worked as a clinical assistant at a medical skin care center (In other words, a medspa). I worked directly with the primary doctor/medical director there, assisting with the cosmetic procedures he did (it was a minimally invasive form of lipo). Basically I would prepare the room and the patient for the procedure (which included sterilizing the instruments he used and mixing up tumescent fluid), assist the doctor during the procedure, help the patient after the procedure and get them ready go home, and then followup with the patient the next day with instructions, arranging follow-up appointments, etc. It's not a traditional experience like working in a hospital or clinic, but I was directly involved in patient care- I just have no idea how medical schools might view this kind of work!

After working there I went back to school for my MPH in epidemiology. I went to one of the top 10 programs, but I don't know if this really makes a difference since it seems that MPH work isn't too highly valued by medical schools...? My GPA was a 3.9 (missed 4.0 by one A-, ugh!). I worked 30 hours a week the entire time I was in the program at a local state health department doing water borne disease surveillance, which involved calling and interviewing cases of certain intestinal pathogens), and as a research assistant doing research on salmonella and antibiotic resistance (also what my master's thesis was on).

Currently I am living and working for an NGO in an Asian country as a researcher, primarily working on typhoid fever surveillance in Africa. I am hoping (and it is extremely likely) that I will get to do some fieldwork in Africa sometime next year.

My plan:
My contract is up next summer, at which time I am planning on returning to the States and enrolling at a local state college to complete all of the pre-reqs I need (at this point I only have Bio 1- fortunately got an A). I will probably start out going to school full time and find a place to volunteer in a clinical setting, until I know how much time I will need to spend on my science courses to pull off the best possible grades. After that hopefully I can find some paid work doing some kind of patient care. I really wish I could start doing the courses I need now, but in the meantime I will be studying independently to re-learn all of the math and science I have forgotten from high school. By the time I apply, I should hopefully have some research publications (1 should be published early next year, and I'm working on getting my thesis research published).

My main reason for never seriously pursuing medical school previously (even though I've clearly always had a strong interest in medicine) was because I was scared away by the math/science requirements. They weren't my best subjects in high school, so I thought that I was just "bad" at them. Now I realize that I just didn't know how to study properly, and I'm confident that I can do well in the courses. I find infectious diseases to be really interesting, so at this point I am interested in pursuing a specialty in infectious disease, but I realize that could change as I continue this process.

If anyone care to poke holes in my plan, or has any advice on how to make myself a stronger candidate, I would love to hear your feedback. I am at least 3 years out from applying, so I have some time to really improve myself.
 
Go for it! I also gave up a non-science career to start a career in medicine. And I got two acceptances last week! It's definitely a long road and it will be a little weird to be back in school (often with freshmen!), but it is completely worth it.

I don't think you have much to worry about stats-wise. If you don't have much science under your belt right now, you can probably get close to a 4.0 science GPA. The maturity that comes with having a career really improves study habits, so you should have no problem doing well. Don't bother with the MCAT until ~9 months away. Just focus on your studies. Ramp up studying gradually as the test date approaches by buying practice exams.

Unless you're staying with family in the states, make sure you have the type of savings you need to see the process through. Classes + living expenses + the application cycle add up fast and the last thing you want is for money concerns to impact your education. Also important: push yourself with science courses. Schools like seeing that you can handle a strong workload (it's not just about checking off the courses!). Take fewer terms with more classes rather than spread your coursework over more terms.

Ensure at least $5000 for the admissions process.

Also, be sure you can articulate your reasons for wanting to go into medicine. Sure, you know now that science courses aren't the beasts you thought they were, but what led you to re-think such courses in the first place. How has your path brought you to this huge decision? What gives you the courage to make it? You will definitely be asked these things and they should figure prominently in your personal statement. When I started on this path, I typed up a detailed personal narrative, explaining to myself why I knew this decision was right for me. Maybe try the same for you?

I gave up a very satisfying career as a high school teacher to come back to school. In some ways, you'll be discarding a social identity as you return to the classroom. It's a scary proposition, but focus on how you have grown as a human being and indulge in all the hobbies/passions/joys that make you great! There is a lot of waiting along the path to become a doctor, so find the support you need and embrace it.

I'm rooting for you! Let me know if you have any questions!
 
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I'd be glad to help, but I really don't want to read through the novella. Can you ask specific questions?


Hi all! I have been lurking here for a while, and I know there are dozens of threads like this every week, but after speaking to friends and family about my plan I'm hoping to just get some feedback from people who have already started or gone through this process as a non-trad.

About me:
B.A. in Sociology at a top school in Canada (I'm American)- graduated with a 3.6 cGPA. Took absolutely no science courses, though I took several stats courses. Most of my undergraduate coursework in Sociology was related to health or medicine (Gender and Health, Health Care Systems, etc). I also completed an undergraduate thesis on American health care reform for which I did original research. My GPA is a little low because I took a lot of very intensive/credit heavy french courses to learn the language quickly- I got a 4.0 my last year when I was taking all difficult upper-level sociology coursework.

After this, I took a 2 year break from school, during which time I worked as a clinical assistant at a medical skin care center (In other words, a medspa). I worked directly with the primary doctor/medical director there, assisting with the cosmetic procedures he did (it was a minimally invasive form of lipo). Basically I would prepare the room and the patient for the procedure (which included sterilizing the instruments he used and mixing up tumescent fluid), assist the doctor during the procedure, help the patient after the procedure and get them ready go home, and then followup with the patient the next day with instructions, arranging follow-up appointments, etc. It's not a traditional experience like working in a hospital or clinic, but I was directly involved in patient care- I just have no idea how medical schools might view this kind of work!

After working there I went back to school for my MPH in epidemiology. I went to one of the top 10 programs, but I don't know if this really makes a difference since it seems that MPH work isn't too highly valued by medical schools...? My GPA was a 3.9 (missed 4.0 by one A-, ugh!). I worked 30 hours a week the entire time I was in the program at a local state health department doing water borne disease surveillance, which involved calling and interviewing cases of certain intestinal pathogens), and as a research assistant doing research on salmonella and antibiotic resistance (also what my master's thesis was on).

Currently I am living and working for an NGO in an Asian country as a researcher, primarily working on typhoid fever surveillance in Africa. I am hoping (and it is extremely likely) that I will get to do some fieldwork in Africa sometime next year.

My plan:
My contract is up next summer, at which time I am planning on returning to the States and enrolling at a local state college to complete all of the pre-reqs I need (at this point I only have Bio 1- fortunately got an A). I will probably start out going to school full time and find a place to volunteer in a clinical setting, until I know how much time I will need to spend on my science courses to pull off the best possible grades. After that hopefully I can find some paid work doing some kind of patient care. I really wish I could start doing the courses I need now, but in the meantime I will be studying independently to re-learn all of the math and science I have forgotten from high school. By the time I apply, I should hopefully have some research publications (1 should be published early next year, and I'm working on getting my thesis research published).

My main reason for never seriously pursuing medical school previously (even though I've clearly always had a strong interest in medicine) was because I was scared away by the math/science requirements. They weren't my best subjects in high school, so I thought that I was just "bad" at them. Now I realize that I just didn't know how to study properly, and I'm confident that I can do well in the courses. I find infectious diseases to be really interesting, so at this point I am interested in pursuing a specialty in infectious disease, but I realize that could change as I continue this process.

If anyone care to poke holes in my plan, or has any advice on how to make myself a stronger candidate, I would love to hear your feedback. I am at least 3 years out from applying, so I have some time to really improve myself.
 
Go for it! I also gave up a non-science career to start a career in medicine. And I got two acceptances last week! It's definitely a long road and it will be a little weird to be back in school (often with freshmen!), but it is completely worth it.

I don't think you have much to worry about stats-wise. If you don't have much science under your belt right now, you can probably get close to a 4.0 science GPA. The maturity that comes with having a career really improves study habits, so you should have no problem doing well. Don't bother with the MCAT until ~9 months away. Just focus on your studies. Ramp up studying gradually as the test date approaches by buying practice exams.

Unless you're staying with family in the states, make sure you have the type of savings you need to see the process through. Classes + living expenses + the application cycle add up fast and the last thing you want is for money concerns to impact your education. Also important: push yourself with science courses. Schools like seeing that you can handle a strong workload (it's not just about checking off the courses!). Take fewer terms with more classes rather than spread your coursework over more terms.

Ensure at least $5000 for the admissions process.

Also, be sure you can articulate your reasons for wanting to go into medicine. Sure, you know now that science courses aren't the beasts you thought they were, but what led you to re-think such courses in the first place. How has your path brought you to this huge decision? What gives you the courage to make it? You will definitely be asked these things and they should figure prominently in your personal statement. When I started on this path, I typed up a detailed personal narrative, explaining to myself why I knew this decision was right for me. Maybe try the same for you?

I gave up a very satisfying career as a high school teacher to come back to school. In some ways, you'll be discarding a social identity as you return to the classroom. It's a scary proposition, but focus on how you have grown as a human being and indulge in all the hobbies/passions/joys that make you great! There is a lot of waiting along the path to become a doctor, so find the support you need and embrace it.

I'm rooting for you! Let me know if you have any questions!

Thank you for such a thoughtful reply! I really appreciate the advice.

I do definitely plan on taking some upper level level science courses- I know I'll need to do Biochem, and I would consider some combination of Microbiology, Immunology, and Physio. I've actually just finished my MPH this spring, so going back to school probably won't feel like too much of a change for me (though taking classes with freshmen will be strange!).

The cost of the process prior to actually starting medical school is one of my greatest concerns. Fortunately, my husband is really supportive, and we should be okay with me only working part time. I wish I could just get a full-time job as an epi in a local health department while doing this, but given the number of classes I'll need to take each semester I doubt I would be able to schedule them around typical day-job hours, unfortunately. At this point we don't even know what state we will be moving back to next summer (thanks, military!), so a lot of the planning will have to wait.

Thanks again, and congratulations on your acceptance into medical school!
 
I'd be glad to help, but I really don't want to read through the novella. Can you ask specific questions?

Unfortunately due to my job commitments and location overseas, I am still almost a year out from being able to start the process of getting my pre-reqs. So, at this point, I don't have very specific questions and am just in the very initial stages of planning this- just needed to type out some of my thoughts, I guess? I know it's quite long.

The only specific question that I have right now is how medical schools view public health work. For example, I could potentially see myself returning to work in a health department after finishing my MD and practicing for a while. I'm not sure how that would sound to medical schools since it is outside of direct patient care, and also doesn't really fall into the type of academic medical research that schools like to see their students become involved in. I just haven't heard much one way or the other about how public health work might be viewed, so I'd be interested to know if anyone had any insight or opinions on that.
 
Answers to your questions:

1) Is it possible?
-Yes

2) Can you do it?
-Well, that's up to you now isn't it?

Welcome to SDN.
 
I think your background sounds really interesting and that you'll have a good story for your applications. I came to medicine from epidemiology as well; feel free to ask or PM if you have any questions. A lot of public health work lends itself well to research; getting anything published (posters, journal articles etc) would absolutely be relevant to your application even if it isn't classic "medicine" research. A big part of research / academia is learning the process, and that is similar in PH and medicine (which admissions committees usually realize). Good luck to you!
 
It will be considered useful, especially with any patient contact experience.


Unfortunately due to my job commitments and location overseas, I am still almost a year out from being able to start the process of getting my pre-reqs. So, at this point, I don't have very specific questions and am just in the very initial stages of planning this- just needed to type out some of my thoughts, I guess? I know it's quite long.

The only specific question that I have right now is how medical schools view public health work. For example, I could potentially see myself returning to work in a health department after finishing my MD and practicing for a while. I'm not sure how that would sound to medical schools since it is outside of direct patient care, and also doesn't really fall into the type of academic medical research that schools like to see their students become involved in. I just haven't heard much one way or the other about how public health work might be viewed, so I'd be interested to know if anyone had any insight or opinions on that.
 
I think your background sounds really interesting and that you'll have a good story for your applications. I came to medicine from epidemiology as well; feel free to ask or PM if you have any questions. A lot of public health work lends itself well to research; getting anything published (posters, journal articles etc) would absolutely be relevant to your application even if it isn't classic "medicine" research. A big part of research / academia is learning the process, and that is similar in PH and medicine (which admissions committees usually realize). Good luck to you!

Thank you! Were there any specific questions you recall being asked about your epi background when you interviewed at medical schools? I'm just really curious about how epi and public health work in general is viewed by adcoms outside of the research factor. I would be interested in returning to epi or public health work after the MD, but I'm not sure whether that is something they would view favorably or not.
 
I'm now realizing that in addition to all of the math and science pre-reqs I need, I probably also will have to take 2 semesters of basic English. My undergraduate college gave me credit for my high school AP course, so I never took any classes in the English department. I did take Russian and German literature courses (taught in English, given through the Russian/German departments), and 2 composition courses taught in the French department (in french, for native french speakers). I really want to try to get into one of the year-long post-bacc programs, and I'm afraid that not having these courses might keep me out since the shorter programs expect you to already have them. And then of course there's the actual medical school applications.

I'm wondering if I should try to enroll in some online courses to get them out of the way in time to apply for the post-bacc programs next fall, or just wait and try to take them locally next fall. They would be in-progress still though when I'm applying to post-bacc programs.
 
I'm now realizing that in addition to all of the math and science pre-reqs I need, I probably also will have to take 2 semesters of basic English. My undergraduate college gave me credit for my high school AP course, so I never took any classes in the English department. I did take Russian and German literature courses (taught in English, given through the Russian/German departments), and 2 composition courses taught in the French department (in french, for native french speakers). I really want to try to get into one of the year-long post-bacc programs, and I'm afraid that not having these courses might keep me out since the shorter programs expect you to already have them. And then of course there's the actual medical school applications.

I'm wondering if I should try to enroll in some online courses to get them out of the way in time to apply for the post-bacc programs next fall, or just wait and try to take them locally next fall. They would be in-progress still though when I'm applying to post-bacc programs.

Don't worry! Nearly all medical schools accept writing-intensive courses for the English requirement. Only a few are picky about which department it's in. I actually haven't taken any classes in the English department, but I have literature courses taken in other departments that count.
 
Don't worry! Nearly all medical schools accept writing-intensive courses for the English requirement. Only a few are picky about which department it's in. I actually haven't taken any classes in the English department, but I have literature courses taken in other departments that count.

Thanks for sharing your experience! I figured most schools wouldn't mind. It does seem a bit ridiculous to consider taking 1st year English courses when I've already written 2 theses and have some publications on the way, but... I guess I'll try contacting some of these post-bac programs to see if it would have an impact on admissions with them.
 
In my experience, public health degrees aren't given much "credibility" in the admissions process and epidemiology isn't considered by many to be a "real" science. FYI, I have a strong background in Epi, cancer and infectious disease, however I concede that some of the flack I received is likely related to my dual degree interests.
 
In my experience, public health degrees aren't given much "credibility" in the admissions process and epidemiology isn't considered by many to be a "real" science. FYI, I have a strong background in Epi, cancer and infectious disease, however I concede that some of the flack I received is likely related to my dual degree interests.

Thanks for your input. I know that public health/MPH programs aren't considered to be very rigorous... However, I'm hoping that my actual work and research experience will show that it's not just a "fluff" degree. I know a lot of people who did pre-med in undergrad or want to go to medical school but have low GPAs sometimes do MPH to enhance their application (several people in my program were trying to do that), but that isn't the case for me and hopefully my other experiences will show that. What kind of flack did you receive? Did you also do a MPH or other degree in Epi?
 
What kind of flack did you receive? Did you also do a MPH or other degree in Epi?

MD/PhD students are expected to study one of the medical sciences and do not typically major in fields like Epidemiology. So the flack I received was the fact that I was considering a field that isn't considered a "real" science.

Not completing the MPH to salvage a lower ugpa is also an important distinction to make since many MPH students complete the degree for this reason.

Finally, I don't have an MPH though I've completed about 20 hours that could be applied to the degree.

Good luck! 🙂
 
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