Epiphany or False Alarm?

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I'm actually the opposite, I've been wondering how I could improve as a white applicant. I can't help but think my extracurriculars are coming off as too asian, but I'm really just trying to prove myself as a white applicant. Any suggestions? This just seems so unfair.

Sarcasm aside though, it's becoming very for asians to gain acceptance. I heard USC and UCLA only had 50% asians for the upcoming class😱 Oh dang, still sarcastic, oh well.
 
Trilby said:
I don't want to start any flame wars here or anything but I had a stroke of logic and I would like to know if my theory is correct:

A while back, I read in the ADEA that Asian applicants had a 34.5% acceptance to applicant ratio while Whites had a 40% ratio and it made me upset because I'm Asian.

Now I know Whites probably have the geographical advantage of state schools whereas Asians are concentrated in the California and the West Coast. That could contribute to the difference.

However, wouldn't the inclusion of international students into the statistics also factor into this discrepancy? After all, international students require significantly higher stats and have lower overall acceptance rates. A large fraction of the international pool are South Korean and Canadian (of which a large portion is Asian). Does the ADEA include internationals in the Asian applicant pool? If so, what portion of the Asian applicant pool is international and what is the overall acceptance rate of Asian international applicants?

Ultimately, I would just like to know the acceptance rate for Asians and Whites that are US Citizens and if Asian-Americans are judged at an equal level as Caucasian-Americans by Adcoms. That way, I can clear my mind of doubt and bitterness in knowing that the playing field is fair. Or if I learn that it is not, I could learn how to improve as an Asian applicant.

Could SDNers please weigh in? Doc Toothache, could you please consider this topic for one of your statistical analyses?
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I don’t know specifics about all this, but I will say that no playing field is ever fair and that is just my personal opinion. Moral? Work your butt off to be the best applicant you can be and don’t worry about anything out of your control.
 
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alright trilby, yes they give preference to American citizens, as they should. Being international and an Asian-American are completely different. And if a lot of international students are Asian skewing the overall applicant to matriculant data, looks like there probably isn't a bias at all. You want real racial bias? Go ahead and give Howard and Meharry a call.
 
Oh man you're opening up a huge can of worms here....

But truth is, you are being judged negatively for being Asian. Sorry, but that's life. Dental schools don't want to become like the California UC system where 40% of students are Asian. That's not conductive to a good learning environment or the future of dentistry. The same thing happens in college admissions, Ivy league admissions, and medical school admissions. The only thing you can do is to make your application the best one possible and hope for the best.
 
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Hmm i wonder where this discussion is likely to lead?!

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I really want this thread closed BEFORE anything bad happens lol
 
did someone literally just say that 40% asians in a school is not conducive to a learning environment 😱😱
 
AwesomeTeeth said:
Oh man you're opening up a huge can of worms here....

But truth is, you are being judged negatively for being Asian. Sorry, but that's life. Dental schools don't want to become like the California UC system where 40% of students are Asian. That's not conductive to a good learning environment or the future of dentistry. The same thing happens in college admissions, Ivy league admissions, and medical school admissions. The only thing you can do is to make your application the best one possible and hope for the best.
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Wow. Just wow.

I would assume that the lower rate of Asian-American matriculation is due in part to the weaker extra-curriculars and interviewing skills of an average Asian-American compared to an average White applicants.
 
AlbinoPolarBear said:
Wow. Just wow.

I would assume that the lower rate of Asian-American matriculation is due in part to the weaker extra-curriculars and interviewing skills of an average Asian-American compared to an average White applicants.
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Wow. Just wow.

So you're saying Asians don't have extracurriculars and have terrible interviewing skills? Have you been to a California university? Almost everyone who is pre-health does extracurriculars to the max and the majority of Asians applying are born here with English as their first language. So why do you say Asians have bad interviewing skills? What makes them different then say another minority such as an African American or Hispanic person? You seem to imply that all white people are awesome at speaking and volunteer every day at a soup kitchen.

But you know, this isn't about white vs asians. It's a fact that Asians are discriminated against in medical school admissions, college admissions, Ivy league admissions, etc. I doubt dental school would be any different.

Good article:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/educat...sian-students-college-applications/51620236/1


EDIT: These threads and this debate have been going on and on since the beginning of SDN. I don't think I'm going to comment anymore on this because I don't like where it's headed. Just like UltimateHombre said lol
 
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You're upset at the 6% difference? There could have been more qualified white applicants? An asian interviewed me at a school I didnt get into? I swear, our society is getting so pathetic.
 
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AwesomeTeeth: Stop putting words into my mouth buddy. I didn't say any of that.

OP: You don't have to play the race card. Just improve on all facets of your application as best you can, and you will have a greater chance of getting in.
 
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Take all white people applying to dental school for example then. White people with blue eyes, brown eyes, hazel eyes. There is no way all will be represented equally in entering class statistics. What if the brown eyes this year had better applications and the hazel eyes were pretty crappy? Would you still want to see all represented equally? I didn't complain about that when I didn't get in my first year applying. I worked hard and improved my app for the next cycle.
 
Blah i forgot im gone from this thread.
 
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Trilby said:
I didn't play the race card. I was looking for statistical facts. If the game is stacked against me so be it. I'd have less of a chip on my shoulder if it was a fair fight though.
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Like Mr. Polarbear said... who gives a ****

Just do the best you can.
 
Dude you seriously need work on that reading comprehension.

When I said "average applicant", you interpreted as "every applicant".

When the teacher says the average mark in the class is 60, I hope you didn't assume that everyone person in the class got 60. I really hope so.

Many of the Asian kids in California figured the system out. They have been here a couple of generations, and they know that you must couple excellent academic achievement with excellent community service. That's why the UC system has a great share of Asian American applicants.

Many of the new generation Asian Americans, with parents who grew up in Asia, hammer into their head that you just need to do well academically, and volunteering is not necessary. The universities systems in China, Korea and Japan all have a merit-based entrance requirements. You write their exam, and top scores get into the school. They carry this type of thinking to the US, and their children suffer in the ECs because of it.

Being a newer generation Asian American myself, I had to figure everything out by myself with no strong guidance. My parents did NOTHING to help me further my dreams, other than saying "study hard". Doing ECs and having the interactions with many types of people improves your social skills. Skills that cannot be taught by reading a textbook.

The average white applicant already have the system figured out. The parents help them along, signing them up for soccer, teaching their kids the advantages to volunteering, helping them write their personal statements, etc. They are pretty much as involved in their application as much as the kid is.

That's MY reasoning on why the acceptance percentage for white applicants is higher than the Asian applicant. The difference is not that great, 40% for white and 35% for Asians. But this difference can be largely attributed to the fact that a larger proportion of White applicants know what a great application would look like, as compared to an Asian applicant, who have a distorted view, assuming that academics play a bigger role than they really do.
 
AlbinoPolarBear said:
Dude you seriously need work on that reading comprehension.

When I said "average applicant", you interpreted as "every applicant".

When the teacher says the average mark in the class is 60, I hope you didn't assume that everyone person in the class got 60. I really hope so.

Many of the Asian kids in California figured the system out. They have been here a couple of generations, and they know that you must couple excellent academic achievement with excellent community service. That's why the UC system has a great share of Asian American applicants.

Many of the new generation Asian Americans, with parents who grew up in Asia, hammer into their head that you just need to do well academically, and volunteering is not necessary. The universities systems in China, Korea and Japan all have a merit-based entrance requirements. You write their exam, and top scores get into the school. They carry this type of thinking to the US, and their children suffer in the ECs because of it.

Being a newer generation Asian American myself, I had to figure everything out by myself with no strong guidance. My parents did NOTHING to help me further my dreams, other than saying "study hard". Doing ECs and having the interactions with many types of people improves your social skills. Skills that cannot be taught by reading a textbook.

The average white applicant already have the system figured out. The parents help them along, signing them up for soccer, teaching their kids the advantages to volunteering, helping them write their personal statements, etc. They are pretty much as involved in their application as much as the kid is.

That's MY reasoning on why the acceptance percentage for white applicants is higher than the Asian applicant. The difference is not that great, 40% for white and 35% for Asians. But this difference can be largely attributed to the fact that a larger proportion of White applicants know what a great application would look like, as compared to an Asian applicant, who have a distorted view, assuming that academics play a bigger role than they really do.
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Oh man, I couldn't resist coming back.

APB, you make so many assumptions about people and races that I'm not going to bother going in and trying to disprove all of it. Because I don't know every Asian person to say that I know everything about them. But apparently you do. And you like to generalize people and think you know what an "average" white or Asian person is like.

You assume that the "average" Asian person is simply book smart and has a personality of a doorknob due to their parents pushing them hard towards academics. But the majority I know are just like you. Hardworking people who are trying to work towards their dreams with very little guidance other then a pat on the back from mom and dad. I'm pretty sure the majority of Asians everywhere have figured out by now that they need a well rounded application. Especially once they move out to college and get away from their parents. You think your "hard working, I did it all on on own" experience is so unique among Asians but it really isn't.

And your assumptions rear up again when you think that the average white person has their parents signing them up for soccer camp and volunteering on the weekends.

But hey, there's no winner in this and there's no point arguing. You can have your opinion and I'll have mine.
 
Bottom line is the majority of admissions offices are composed of honkeys except at Howard and Meharry. Thus, why would any honkey (who's been the majority in society all throughout his life) want to accept so many Asians that now his own kind becomes a minority at his school? It's human nature.
 
Again. When I said many, you assumed I said "all".

I hope you're not this angry all the time lol.

But I made my point, interpret however you want. I'm done from this thread.
 
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Trilby said:
Now I know Whites probably have the geographical advantage of state schools whereas Asians are concentrated in the California and the West Coast. That could contribute to the difference.
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the fact that you think asians are only on the west coast pretty much negates your entire argument because it means you know nothing. =P
 
UCLAzy said:
the fact that you think asians are only on the west coast pretty much negates your entire argument because it means you know nothing. =P
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He didn't exactly say that asians are only on the west coast... I don't have any numbers but I'd say he's right... where else are you going to find such heavy concentrations?

When I was in elementary school I thought my history book was outdated when it said asians were a minority.

And when I went to UCLA? "Wow, there's so few asians here!"
 
To be honest, i have not read a whole lot of logic in this thread. Arguments are being based on personal experiences and anecdotal evidence.

We must all come to terms with the admission facts of Caucasians vs. Asians... there is nothing we can do about it and we honestly have no control over it. All we can do is make sure we do well in the things we can control: GPA, DAT, ECs, etc.

To make assumptions about why there are less Asians is foolish. I mean seriously... trying to make generalizations about the way Asians interview? And Asians only existing on the west coast? LOL... have you ever been to any major city on the east coast?

OP: If you want a chart from DocToothache... why not send him a PM. However, thinking he will make you one just so you can feel better about admissions is not likely.
 
Just in case people forgot what the racial distribution of the US was because they've never been outside of their own home town... Back in 2010 it was as following:

Total population - 258,267,944
White - 63.7% (196m)
Asian - 4.7% (14m)
Black or African american - 12.2%
Hispanic or Latino - 16.3%
 
JOoa0ky said:
Just in case people forgot what the racial distribution of the US was because they've never been outside of their own home town... Back in 2010 it was as following:

Total population - 258,267,944
White - 63.7% (196m)
Asian - 4.7% (14m)
Black or African american - 12.2%
Hispanic or Latino - 16.3%
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I was just going to quote census data myself. Anything more than 5% Asian population in a dental school class is, like it or not, a good representation in the career field. Also, whoever said west coast schools gather up all the Asians clearly overlooked schools like NYU and Tufts.
 
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