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To be fair, if those details are true and he was intoxicated as well, he should have filed a similar complaint and the girl be kicked out as well. Both students broke the code of conduct.

I dont trust the source though.
 
Long story short: Casewestern once again does not give a **** about their students and will expel/rescind a diploma/etc at any chance they get.
 
WhendoIstartfirstaid? said:
To be fair, if those details are true and he was intoxicated as well, he should have filed a similar complaint and the girl be kicked out as well. Both students broke the code of conduct.

I dont trust the source though.
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it doesn't work like that

women don't have to obtain a man's consent

equality isn't equal
 
Isn't there an expression don't **** where you eat
 
WhendoIstartfirstaid? said:
To be fair, if those details are true and he was intoxicated as well, he should have filed a similar complaint and the girl be kicked out as well. Both students broke the code of conduct.

I dont trust the source though.
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Neither of them broke the code of conduct. If getting drunk and ****ing consensually was a crime, then you might as well turn college campuses into prisons.
 
fastlane said:
Long story short: Casewestern once again does not give a **** about their students and will expel/rescind a diploma/etc at any chance they get.
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I'm probably not getting the full story, but it seems like they're trying to protect their image at the expense of their students. Stupid move though, trying to quietly sweep this under the rug leads to a news story where they clearly look like clowns. Then again, the source is from a biased site so we are almost definitely not getting the story in all of its detail.
 
TheShaker said:
Neither of them broke the code of conduct. If getting drunk and ****ing consensually was a crime, then you might as well turn college campuses into prisons.
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it isn't a crime, it is a violation of a school's conduct policy

that is beauty of it. you can just ignore it and then use it whenever a girl accuses someone of rape.

if a school had a policy saying being a man is grounds for expulsion but only enforced it once in a while, there would be many thirsty pre-meds who would still enroll.
 
DoctorofDelight said:
No one is calling out the girl for being a POS false rape accuser?
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I'm sure someone will.
I maintain my original position. Dude knew the code of conduct, he should have known better. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
Sigh. My last contribution to this growing gem of a thread:

Please note that the linked document is a PLAINTIFF FILING in a lawsuit.

I.e. it is the very definition of a "he said" piece in a "he said/she said" argument.

It is not fact, it is not a court decision, it is not even journalistic reporting.

It is a legal document intended to present the strongest possible case on the side of the plaintiff.

Before anyone makes radical conclusions in one way or the other, they should consider the perspective and purpose of a court filing of this nature, and I would suggest moderation in interpreting the information contained within this document.

Now please, continue the merry-go-round. The 15 pages the first time around and multiple bannings clearly weren't enough for the peanut gallery.
 
This is from avoiceformalestudents.com, a men's rights advocacy group, who post things like this on their facebook:

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So I'm not sure what you're trying to stir up, but it's gross.
 
giantswing said:
Hahahaha yes just like when football players violate naked drunk girls and post pics on fb, because they thought what they were doing was so lolz!

Omg so funny!!!!!
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Yep - that's exactly what the OP was about.
 
Dave89 said:
Yep - that's exactly what the OP was about.
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Same concept: those drunk chicks should have thought of that before they decided to become so hot, don't you know men have needs? Boys just being boys!
 
I always hope those mens rights people grow up to have legions of daughters.
 
*looks around for any sign that the OP, I, or any other members have defended the type of behavior described in post #21*
 
giantswing said:
Hahahaha yes just like when football players violate naked drunk girls and post pics on fb, because they thought what they were doing was so lolz!

Omg so funny!!!!!
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The difference is that those disgusting dinguses rightfully get in trouble for what they do. The same doesn't happen to a woman even after she is exposed of falsely accusing someone of rape. Most of the time, she just gets a slap on the wrist.
 
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Actually, they did NOT have sex at all. There was heavy petting and manual stimulation, but no intercourse occurred according to the unsealed court documents I could find.

The procedural aspects of this case are interesting.

Plaintiff was brought before the CWRU disciplinary board who felt the expulsion was not warranted. They compromised on a 1-year suspension after which he would continue his education. The thought was that this would prevent the two of them from being in the same class, etc.

Apparently one of the members of the disciplinary committee who wanted him expelled is also a member of the progress committee for Cleveland Clinic Lerner COM, a subgroup within CWRU's med school class. She and that committee expelled him for "professionalism" violations related to his conduct that had already been adjudicated in the disciplinary hearing.

Edited to add link to hearing report from the disciplinary hearing for CWRU:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39931498/CWRU sex assault hearing report.pdf
 
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giantswing said:
Hahahaha yes just like when football players violate naked drunk girls and post pics on fb, because they thought what they were doing was so lolz!

Omg so funny!!!!!
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-b...ated-in-rape-case-signs-with-atlanta-falcons/

Or when football players are falsely accused of rape and spend 5 years in maximum security prison while their accuser lives off the million plus dollar lawsuit they won? LOLZ, she is probably still the victim because of patriarchy and he would have raped someone eventually LOL.

These false accusations are F@@@ing serious and a huge reason why women keep silent instead of coming forward against their accuser.
 
Dave89 said:
*looks around for any sign that the OP, I, or any other members have defended the type of behavior described in post #21*
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Those mens rights groups just really get me. Not saying that a lie should effectively ruin someone's life, but I'm not sure if a school should let some one continue if they were accused. Unfair justice process, but it seems like evetyone has a lot to lose.
 
preDoGuy24 said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-b...ated-in-rape-case-signs-with-atlanta-falcons/

Or when football players are falsely accused of rape and spend 5 years in maximum security prison while their accuser lives off the million plus dollar lawsuit they won? LOLZ, she is probably still the victim because of patriarchy and he would have raped someone eventually LOL.

These false accusations are F@@@ing serious and a huge reason why women keep silent instead of coming forward against their accuser.
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It sounds like we agree, actually.
 
The funny (not funny) thing is that you're all acting like there is a significant amount of students being expelled and otherwise punished for sexual assault in colleges. The extreme majority of sexual assaults go unreported and unpunished.

Men who rant about false accusations must be worried that they're going to be accused of rape one day all because they can't hold conversations with the women they bed. Talk to the women you're having sex with and make sure they're as excited and into it as you are. Is that so very difficult?
 
1nnocuous said:
The funny (not funny) thing is that you're all acting like there is a significant amount of students being expelled and otherwise punished for sexual assault in colleges. The extreme majority of sexual assaults go unreported and unpunished.

Men who rant about false accusations must be worried that they're going to be accused of rape one day all because they can't hold conversations with the women they bed. Talk to the women you're having sex with and make sure they're as excited and into it as you are. Is that so very difficult?
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Who are you to say there isn't a significant amount? What does a significant amount equal-10, 30, 1000? I think being on the receiving end of an expulsion for a false accusation would be pretty significant to you. I think it's pretty ridiculous to imply that men who are concerned about false rape accusations are for the sole reason of lack of communication with their partner. That's pretty much the exact opposite of what occurs in these situations. I am by no means entrenched in the men's rights movement BUT I think it's ridiculous that someone can falsely accuse anyone of something and get them expelled from school at best and or put into prison at worst.
 
1nnocuous said:
Men who rant about false accusations must be worried that they're going to be accused of rape one day all because they can't hold conversations with the women they bed. Talk to the women you're having sex with and make sure they're as excited and into it as you are. Is that so very difficult?
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...therefore a woman who consents to have sex with man, and happens to be less excited than he is, has been raped. Or, at least, she is entitled to accuse him of rape.

That logic is marvelous.
 
Doudline said:
...therefore a woman who consents to have sex with man, and happens to be less excited than he is, has been raped. Or, at least, she is entitled to accuse him of rape.

That logic is marvelous.
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Omg, that's what you take away?

No. Just no. Have a seat. Have all the seats.
 
giantswing said:
Omg, that's what you take away?

No. Just no. Have a seat. Have all the seats.
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That's what that person just said. By his/her logic all shy guys = rapists. If you're at the point where you've convinced her to willingly have sex with you AND you both willingly got into the bed together, how can there possibly be a lack of consent?
 
DoctorofDelight said:
That's what that person just said. By his/her logic all shy guys = rapists. If you're at the point where you've convinced her to willingly have sex with you AND you both willingly got into the bed together, how can there possibly be a lack of consent?
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Jfc.

Have you seen the consent for sex is like a cup of tea? That actually explains it way better than i ever could.
 
This might be useful for anyone who wants to look up any public case documents in the future. First, check whether you can access the court records for free; depending on the case, searching for the “county name” + “court records” will get you to a court records search page eventually. For others, you may have to use Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) from el gobierno which charges and is therefore awful. If anyone knows of any alternative to PACER for court documents let me know. Here’s how you would find documents that have been filed in this case:
  1. Register for PACER as an individual or student. You will need a credit/debit card to sign up b/c PACER will charge you $0.10 per page; if your bill doesn’t exceed $15.00 within the quarter, then you will not be charged anything. Also there's some 30pg limit thing. READ THE FINE PRINT/AGREEMENT on how PACER charges. If you want to access a lot of court info but don’t want to spend a fortune, then choose wisely and have a PACER party; split up the info that you want to view or download amongst your PACER registered friends. Alternatively, see if your institution has some sort of PACER access.
  2. After Registering (or logging in) click on the link for the Ohio Northern Civil Courts called “Ohio Northern – ECF.” The Northern Ohio civil court link is on the left and the bankruptcy link is on the right.
  3. Click on “Northern District of Ohio - Document Filing System”.
  4. Go to "Query" at the top of the screen.
  5. Search for case number 14-cv-02044-CAB.
  6. SEARCH & BROWSE WISELY: PACER WILL CHARGE YOU IF YOU EXCEED $15.00 WORTH OF $0.10 PAGES.
 
I used to hear sexual assault cases at a large flagship public university. I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but the evidentiary standard used in sexual assault cases is really low. Unlike the clear and convincing standard that you would find in the legal system, campus judicial systems use preponderance of evidence for sexual assault cases. We would have students get expelled all the time while nothing came of the accusation in the legal system because there wasn't enough evidence.

Most sexual assault cases are "he said, she said" situations, so this heavily favors the accuser. This is not a male vs. female post. Male/male sexual assault is way more common than people think and this policy is still detrimental to the accused.

I really hate to break it to some people on here, but if you have sex with someone who is intoxicated it is impossible to obtain consent in the eyes of sexual assault policies and judicial boards. The definition of consent is such that it can't occur in the context of intoxication. Yes, even if someone gives you consent you actually haven't obtained consent.
 
giantswing said:
Jfc.

Have you seen the consent for sex is like a cup of tea? That actually explains it way better than i ever could.
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It's different if she changes her mind but if that happens, IT'S ON HER to let the man know. She has to be the one to communicate.
 
This situation is terrible, and will be for lawyers and courts to sort out for years to come.
However, great good can come from this unfortunate example.

Don't have drunken one night stands with people in your cohort at work or school. Preferably, don't have drunken one night stands with anyone. If there is chemistry worth exploring, it will still be there to be discussed the next day when everyone is nice and sober and can meaningfully consent.
 
msquaredb said:
I used to hear sexual assault cases at a large flagship public university. I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but the evidentiary standard used in sexual assault cases is really low. Unlike the clear and convincing standard that you would find in the legal system, campus judicial systems use preponderance of evidence for sexual assault cases. We would have students get expelled all the time while nothing came of the accusation in the legal system because there wasn't enough evidence.

Most sexual assault cases are "he said, she said" situations, so this heavily favors the accuser. This is not a male vs. female post. Male/male sexual assault is way more common than people think and this policy is still detrimental to the accused.

I really hate to break it to some people on here, but if you have sex with someone who is intoxicated it is impossible to obtain consent in the eyes of sexual assault policies and judicial boards. The definition of consent is such that it can't occur in the context of intoxication. Yes, even if someone gives you consent you actually haven't obtained consent.
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it is also impossible for them to obtain consent so you have technically both raped each other. for some reason this concept isn't understood by most people. there is no burden of proof for the male to obtain consent. there is burden of proof for BOTH parties to obtain consent. this doesn't have to be discrete consent either, like most of these new feminazis are trying to push for. I'm pretty sure women wouldn't be ok with men discretely obtaining consent

"ok so do you consent to proceeding with me?"

yeah thats so attractive
 
I originally read the link as "advice for male students". As in, "don't do these things because you'll get screwed".
 
DoctorofDelight said:
How exactly? He has to ask her every 2 seconds if what he's doing is okay?
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look at your partner. Body language isn't that hard to pay attention to. Are they crying? Did they just go stiff? Do they look scared?
It's not that hard to tell if someone is into it.
 
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