Factitious d/o by proxy

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Interesting case--first time I've had one where the perpetrator was my identified patient. Probably manipulating meds of her handicapped son to keep him dependent and avoid having him "abandon" her. Anyone have any tips on helping her to increase her insight into what she's doing and possibly why? Seems like the prognosis is pretty poor here.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Interesting case--first time I've had one where the perpetrator was my identified patient. Probably manipulating meds of her handicapped son to keep him dependent and avoid having him "abandon" her. Anyone have any tips on helping her to increase her insight into what she's doing and possibly why? Seems like the prognosis is pretty poor here.
Interesting, does she have a diagnosable dependant personality d/o? If so she will probably need some pretty good and long therapy. You could always threaten her with loosing her son all together via death or protective services. Maybe fear would work? :scared:
let us know what you do...
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Interesting case--first time I've had one where the perpetrator was my identified patient. Probably manipulating meds of her handicapped son to keep him dependent and avoid having him "abandon" her. Anyone have any tips on helping her to increase her insight into what she's doing and possibly why? Seems like the prognosis is pretty poor here.
I saw a few Munchausen's by proxy cases on the c/l service. I wasn't engaged in a therapeutic relationship with the 'perpetrator' as you put it, but we did discuss the ramifications of these cases in our rounds.

I would think that the direction of therapy would be directed at an sympathetic but firm approach as to why the behavior is occurring - giving her a full chance to explain her behavior, and listening for cues, without passing judgement, as hard as it may be.

Extreme behaviors are motivated by extreme desires, or even, extreme pathology. If it's the latter, the prognosis is indeed poor. If the Munchausen's is a direct result of a thought disorder or poor reality testing, then medications with some insight-oriented approaches may be best.

Of course, the most common cases like these involve a mother using the identified child as the proxy. Often with medications or infectious substances keeping the child in the sick role. What does this provide for the mother? Usually attention, sympathy, sometimes money, of often an excuse for an otherwise unacceptable behavior ("She's going through such a hard time"). "Simpler" reasons such as attention and sympathy can be explored and fettered out. i.e. was there active or passive neglect of her herself as a child, or a sibling? What was the response, and the current thoughts about this?

I treated a grown child who was a victim of Munchausen's, who was naturally very bitter about what had happened to her. This is also another avenue of exploration - asking what the mother hopes to gain from these behaviors. It seems more often than not a combination of the above with an intense fear of the child becoming independent (explore why). It may have to do with being alone, feeling of abandonment, or feeling devalued (bearing and raising a child makes her important).

Let us know how you fare.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Interesting case--first time I've had one where the perpetrator was my identified patient. Probably manipulating meds of her handicapped son to keep him dependent and avoid having him "abandon" her. Anyone have any tips on helping her to increase her insight into what she's doing and possibly why? Seems like the prognosis is pretty poor here.

I also saw 2 cases on child C/L, but as a medical student and the attending was the one who actually handled the parents. My sense is that there may be a benefit in approaching her as you would a somatizing patient who has no insight into the connection between their affective state and their behavior/somatic complaints. Perhaps you can engage her in the therapy as a way of "coping with the stresses of having a sick and handicapped child." As she begins to satisfy her need for attention seeking from you and in ways that don't require her to harm her own child, the behaviors may diminish.


MBK2003
 
i've never seen muchausens personally - but I'm wondering, wouldn't we have to report a case of this to dyfus or something?


OPD what did you do? did you get authoritys involved?
 
Poety said:
i've never seen muchausens personally - but I'm wondering, wouldn't we have to report a case of this to dyfus or something?


OPD what did you do? did you get authoritys involved?

Fortunately the family took care of it for us. The "kid" in question is nearly an adult, and informed a hospital social worker that he didn't want his mother (my pt) visiting. His hospital SW was already in touch with the appropriate county CPA, who already had a file open on this family. There was no longer any reason to hold my pt, who acknowledged that she needed to start seeing a therapist. She didn't seem surprised that the rest of her family had concerns, and felt her son was safe where he was and could go to respite until he felt like talking with her again. She was denying any danger to herself, so we approved her request for discharge.

It was odd though, b/c we couldn't talk directly with the kid's treatment team... Just hope her therapist can hold the mirror up to her at the right angle, so she sees this the way eeryone else sees it!
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Fortunately the family took care of it for us. The "kid" in question is nearly an adult, and informed a hospital social worker that he didn't want his mother (my pt) visiting. His hospital SW was already in touch with the appropriate county CPA, who already had a file open on this family. There was no longer any reason to hold my pt, who acknowledged that she needed to start seeing a therapist. She didn't seem surprised that the rest of her family had concerns, and felt her son was safe where he was and could go to respite until he felt like talking with her again. She was denying any danger to herself, so we approved her request for discharge.

It was odd though, b/c we couldn't talk directly with the kid's treatment team... Just hope her therapist can hold the mirror up to her at the right angle, so she sees this the way eeryone else sees it!


interesting. thanks for the full story 🙂
 
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