Failed gen chem with a 'D' retook it and got a 'C'

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Okay I know it looks really bad but I had failed Gen chem (D) and retook it the next year (where Im from classes come around as often as Haley's commet) and I got a D. It was the only class I have ever failed. Am I expected to defend this... there was no excuse, I had reasons... the 'D' happened at a really low point in my life and the 'C' happened during the readjustment part. Please let me know how this looks... I know there are so many threads written about a B+ (boo hoo) but this is a failing grade brought up to an average passing. How does that look? The reasons were very personal and if its okay I'll will not post them. Also... while Im on the trend....Ive received many C's (many was just undeserved!) the thing I want to get at is that many schools want to see a trend of improvement right? Many of us were delt an unfair hand at life and had to make the best of it... I pretty much made lemonade from lemons when given the opportunity and I hope that I can prove that on my applications in hopes of an interview. Please anyone with words of wisdome....give them to me! thanks

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Okay I know it looks really bad but I had failed Gen chem (D) and retook it the next year (where Im from classes come around as often as Haley's commet) and I got a D. It was the only class I have ever failed. Am I expected to defend this... there was no excuse, I had reasons... the 'D' happened at a really low point in my life and the 'C' happened during the readjustment part. Please let me know how this looks... I know there are so many threads written about a B+ (boo hoo) but this is a failing grade brought up to an average passing. How does that look? The reasons were very personal and if its okay I'll will not post them. Also... while Im on the trend....Ive received many C's (many was just undeserved!) the thing I want to get at is that many schools want to see a trend of improvement right? Many of us were delt an unfair hand at life and had to make the best of it... I pretty much made lemonade from lemons when given the opportunity and I hope that I can prove that on my applications in hopes of an interview. Please anyone with words of wisdome....give them to me! thanks

Well if they average the two grades, then you may still be looking at a D overall. Doesn't sound like a situation that I would want to be in. Many of us come from difficult backgrounds, but the reality of it is that you have to rise above these things and perform at a level that medical schools expect.
If you have many C's, you might want to consider doing a post-bacc or deciding upon another career path. Generally, a GPA less than a 3.0 means little chance of getting into medical school unless you are a non-traditional student and have done other things that make up for a poor undergraduate GPA. Again, its not impossible to correct the problem you are having, but feeling sorry for yourself wont get you very far.

Sincerly yours,

a person who is trying to make lemons into lemonade as well.
 
Okay I know it looks really bad but I had failed Gen chem (D) and retook it the next year (where Im from classes come around as often as Haley's commet) and I got a D. It was the only class I have ever failed. Am I expected to defend this... there was no excuse, I had reasons... the 'D' happened at a really low point in my life and the 'C' happened during the readjustment part. Please let me know how this looks... I know there are so many threads written about a B+ (boo hoo) but this is a failing grade brought up to an average passing. How does that look? The reasons were very personal and if its okay I'll will not post them. Also... while Im on the trend....Ive received many C's (many was just undeserved!) the thing I want to get at is that many schools want to see a trend of improvement right? Many of us were delt an unfair hand at life and had to make the best of it... I pretty much made lemonade from lemons when given the opportunity and I hope that I can prove that on my applications in hopes of an interview. Please anyone with words of wisdome....give them to me! thanks

I withdrew from one class and got a C that same semester. It came up in my interview, and I had to defend myself. My circumstances were similar, it was just a bad time. Your grades will come up in an interview, be prepared to defend yourself without coming across as seeking pity.
 
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thanks...pity is something I dont look for because its something I do not give so easily I guess...
 
Don't plan to "defend yourself," plan to explain yourself. Take responsibility, don't make excuses or shift responsibility. Chances are they're asking the question to see HOW you respond. Good luck!
 
Well if they average the two grades, then you may still be looking at a D overall. Doesn't sound like a situation that I would want to be in. Many of us come from difficult backgrounds, but the reality of it is that you have to rise above these things and perform at a level that medical schools expect.
If you have many C's, you might want to consider doing a post-bacc or deciding upon another career path. Generally, a GPA less than a 3.0 means little chance of getting into medical school unless you are a non-traditional student and have done other things that make up for a poor undergraduate GPA. Again, its not impossible to correct the problem you are having, but feeling sorry for yourself wont get you very far.

Sincerly yours,

a person who is trying to make lemons into lemonade as well.

Wow... I didnt know that its a possibility that they would take the average of the 2 grades... on my transcripts the D was replaced by the C for the gen chem grade in the 'requirement' section and the D was shifted to 'other courses' taken. So yes the D still shows up somewhere there. My GPA (both major and overall) are around a 3.1. I did consider taking post bacc but I need to work and earn money. Im sorry, I guess you were under the impression that I was feeling sorry for myself... I really didnt mean to come off that way but I really dont feel sorry for myself Ive actually grown a really tough skin for most things. Anyway...you do suggest post bacc courses... does that not look like I just want to raise the GPA for the sake of looking good on paper? What if I just focus on other things (ie. EC, volunteering, lab reasearch) I have a bunch already but I enjoy working on them. Thanks for the input and hope to hear a response
 
Don't plan to "defend yourself," plan to explain yourself. Take responsibility, don't make excuses or shift responsibility. Chances are they're asking the question to see HOW you respond. Good luck!
That sounds tricky because Im always on a defensive stance... hummm...how would one explain failure as opposed to defend it? HOW I respond...I see. Can you possibly give me a scenerio or how would you go about explaining yourself...thanks
 
That sounds tricky because Im always on a defensive stance... hummm...how would one explain failure as opposed to defend it? HOW I respond...I see. Can you possibly give me a scenerio or how would you go about explaining yourself...thanks

- Take responsibility for the bad grades
- Segue into how you learned from it, or have improved your studying technique
- Talk about it humbly, calmly, and frankly. Don't apoligize for it, and don't shirk the blame onto anything else.

For instance: "At the time I took those classes, I was bad at studying. After I took it the first time, I thought I was simply not putting enough time in, but after the second time I realized there was a deeper problem. Since then I did X and Y to get better at studying, and as grade Z (future science class you get an A in) shows, I have definitly become very good at studying hard sciences."
 
Wow... I didnt know that its a possibility that they would take the average of the 2 grades... on my transcripts the D was replaced by the C for the gen chem grade in the 'requirement' section and the D was shifted to 'other courses' taken. So yes the D still shows up somewhere there. My GPA (both major and overall) are around a 3.1. I did consider taking post bacc but I need to work and earn money. Im sorry, I guess you were under the impression that I was feeling sorry for myself... I really didnt mean to come off that way but I really dont feel sorry for myself Ive actually grown a really tough skin for most things. Anyway...you do suggest post bacc courses... does that not look like I just want to raise the GPA for the sake of looking good on paper? What if I just focus on other things (ie. EC, volunteering, lab reasearch) I have a bunch already but I enjoy working on them. Thanks for the input and hope to hear a response

The bottom line is that you need to show medical schools that you can handle a courseload similar to what you will incur if you are admitted. A post-bacc always helps because it shows that you have matured to the point where you can get good grades. With a 3.1 GPA you will have a very hard time getting into medical school. I don't know if the best of EC's will be enough to get you in. . . but maybe a combination of amazing EC's, LORs, 37+ MCAT, personal statement, and a powerful interview might give you a fighting chance. Good luck.
 
That sounds tricky because Im always on a defensive stance... hummm...how would one explain failure as opposed to defend it? HOW I respond...I see. Can you possibly give me a scenerio or how would you go about explaining yourself...thanks

Interviewer: Why so many C's on your transcript?
you: It took me a while to mature as a person and there were many emotional and (insert any other) problems that I was battling with at the time. I have gotten to the point in my life where, for the first time, I feel stable; and I am confident that I can excel in medical school if given the chance.
 
Generally, a GPA less than a 3.0 means little chance of getting into medical school unless you are a non-traditional student and have done other things that make up for a poor undergraduate GPA.

Agreed. The problem you're specifically citing is one class you got a D in (which by the way, you should've never let happen and should've withdrawn). However you also say "while Im on the trend....Ive received many C's..." Have you even taken other science requirements like organic chemistry (much harder than gen chem for most people) yet? You have a 3.1...how successful have you been in recent science classes?

This board tends to get very "rah! rah! you can do it! be prepared to explain it in interviews and get an upward trend!"

Don't get me wrong--you do deserve a second chance after going through a difficult time, but you gave no indication of how you've performed since adjusting--have you been getting A's in any science classes? Has your GPA been anywhere near a 3.5? I knew several premeds who fell out of the program over the 4 years because they couldn't handle or didn't enjoy (are you enjoying what you're studying!?) the science. So yes, if you end up with a bad cumulative GPA, exceling in a post-baccalaureate program would make up for it. But I think the point needs to be made that you need to ask yourself if science/medicine are right for you.
 
are you URM? if so.....this may not be that bad.
 
Many medical schools won't accept pre-reqs below a C. You might want to look into that.. Not positive about the specs though.

Allopathic schools average the two. Osteopathic schools do not.

good luck!
 
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I feel like you know me already🙂 thanks though all the advice has been really helpful. Less self doubt and more confidence...
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Ive done very well in my bio courses... actually Ive Aced almost all of them... the chemistry courses are the ones that are killing me (C in both lecture courses for Organic and a B in both labs, C for Biochem and a B in lab, C's in Gen chem and B's in the labs) I love my major (Bio) but I have the hardest time in the chem courses. Gen chem is the only class I had to repeat. Yah I shouldve withdrawn early from the gen chem course but the prof. was one that, if he liked you he passed you... didnt happen. My GPA started off strong 3.8 and Ive seen it steadily decline and then plateau. A post-bacc prgram does seem to be the best plan... thanks
Agreed. The problem you're specifically citing is one class you got a D in (which by the way, you should've never let happen and should've withdrawn). However you also say "while Im on the trend....Ive received many C's..." Have you even taken other science requirements like organic chemistry (much harder than gen chem for most people) yet? You have a 3.1...how successful have you been in recent science classes?

This board tends to get very "rah! rah! you can do it! be prepared to explain it in interviews and get an upward trend!"

Don't get me wrong--you do deserve a second chance after going through a difficult time, but you gave no indication of how you've performed since adjusting--have you been getting A's in any science classes? Has your GPA been anywhere near a 3.5? I knew several premeds who fell out of the program over the 4 years because they couldn't handle or didn't enjoy (are you enjoying what you're studying!?) the science. So yes, if you end up with a bad cumulative GPA, exceling in a post-baccalaureate program would make up for it. But I think the point needs to be made that you need to ask yourself if science/medicine are right for you.
 
Many medical schools won't accept pre-reqs below a C. You might want to look into that.. Not positive about the specs though.

Allopathic schools average the two. Osteopathic schools do not.

good luck!

No, they do not average the two. BOTH grades are counted. This comes out to having the same effect on the GPA, but since each is calculated as an individual class, it would mean that her "C" would still be a "C". It's one of those instances where a small technicality can make a crucial difference.
 
I totally disagree with you. a 3.1 is still competitive for many lower tier non-competitive schools like N. Dakota, Nevada, Howard, etc. Also, as long as he scores at least a 30 on his MCAT, he has a shot at many D.O schools. finally, he can go to the Caribbean schools, pass their credentials and US credentials and be your resident buddy right here in US. As long as his science GPA >3.0 and his overall GPA is >3.0 with at least 30 on MCAt, he is ok. Just explain why you got the C and D and move on. Try not to make any more Cs and if your GPA <3.0, take a 1 year post bacc degree and reapply.
 
You may love your majo rbut your major does not love you. If CHM is your weakest subject, why major in it and think you are helping your odds of getting into MED school Most schools don't care what your major is. Personally, I would get a degree in basketweaving if they offered it.Get a
GEN STUD degree or sociology or something and get a 4.0 undergrad GPA. That GPA will show ADCOM that you are serious about your education. However, hard major + bad grades = potential rejected medical school application.

URM- under represented minority

The URM thing helps to some degree, but not if your GPA <3.0.
 
If you only barely pass Gen Chem, how are you going to fare in Orgo?
 
Am I expected to defend this... there was no excuse, I had reasons... the 'D' happened at a really low point in my life and the 'C' happened during the readjustment part.

Also... while Im on the trend....Ive received many C's (many was just undeserved!) the thing I want to get at is that many schools want to see a trend of improvement right?

Many of us were delt an unfair hand at life and had to make the best of it... I pretty much made lemonade from lemons when given the opportunity and I hope that I can prove that on my applications in hopes of an interview.

The statement that "many of the C's were undeserved" is more troubling than the actual grades. Making excuses, over and over again, is generally not acceptable - at some point, you need to admit to yourself that you took too many classes, or that your study technique is not working, or that you're just not working hard enough. But saying that many of your poor grades were not deserved is not going to go over well with anybody.

If you had one or two bad grades, and something bad really did happen (i.e. a close family member/friend died, you were evicted, you were the victim of a crime, etc.), then yes - that would be understandable. But if you have a lot of C's in other subjects, then what makes the D in general chemistry an anomaly?
 
Okay I know it looks really bad but I had failed Gen chem (D) and retook it the next year (where Im from classes come around as often as Haley's commet) and I got a D. It was the only class I have ever failed. Am I expected to defend this... there was no excuse, I had reasons... the 'D' happened at a really low point in my life and the 'C' happened during the readjustment part. Please let me know how this looks... I know there are so many threads written about a B+ (boo hoo) but this is a failing grade brought up to an average passing. How does that look? The reasons were very personal and if its okay I'll will not post them. Also... while Im on the trend....Ive received many C's (many was just undeserved!) the thing I want to get at is that many schools want to see a trend of improvement right? Many of us were delt an unfair hand at life and had to make the best of it... I pretty much made lemonade from lemons when given the opportunity and I hope that I can prove that on my applications in hopes of an interview. Please anyone with words of wisdome....give them to me! thanks

It looks like you have already "justified" why you earned these poor grades so what does it matter in terms of "how it looks". The thing that you need to add to your equation is that you didn't bring up a failing grade to an "average passing" because in the world of application to medical school, you are far below average with a grade of C.

The question that you actually need to answer for yourself is "do you have enough knowledge of General Chemistry?" My guess is that this is a significant gap that is going to need to be addressed at some point especially for the MCAT. The other question is "how are you going to address this and remediate this?" because remediation is a huge deal.

The other thing that you need to realize is that life deals you cards and it is up to you how you play them. There is no "fair" versus "unfair". You either get what you need and master your coursework or you take some time off, take care of your distractions and come back to your coursework ready to devote the time necessary for mastery.

There are plenty of people who have issues in life that can potentially derail their undergraduate achievements. The smart thing is to take some time off and get your issues under control. If you don't do that, you wind up in a hole from which you may not emerge.

Your poor grades in Chemistry are what they are and you deal with them. The important thing is not to make any more below average grades and get any issues that may be impinging on your undergraduate coursework taken care of before you attempt anything else.

Upward trends are good but no one is "given" an opportunity. Opportunities are seized and you might want to do some serious evaluation of what is keeping you from seizing the opportunities are are available to you. Anything less is going to derail your medical career.

Figure out what is holding you back and get the job done or otherwise you are wasting your tuition money. Medicine is a very demanding "mistress" and the demands start in undergrad. You either meet them or you don't. It only takes one look at the number of people who seek this career versus the number of people who achieve it to tell you that you have to bring your "A" game and nothing less without excuses.

You have poked fun at people who were concerned about B+ grades but in reality, those B+ grades are the "average passing" for folks who are anticipating admission to medical school and those people who received them are correct to be concerned that they don't keep repeating their B+ performance.

Harsh? Yes, but you have to deal in reality and the reality is that you need to get your act together pretty quickly if you anticipate admission to medical school in your future.
 
I think you will have a hard time in med school given your track record. Chemistry is a good indicator. Have you taken you MCATs or Physics yet? I would NEVER mention that the grades were not deserved. One time yes, multiple times I don't buy it. Sorry but you might need additional coursework to show you can handle it or an above average MCAT score as well.
 
I thank everyone for their advice. Its been valuable and helped in determining the path I will take to better prepare myself to achieve my goal. Most especially thanks to the brutal honesty you have all displayed...I needed it👍
 
hey i got an F during my freshman year but i had a good excuse (car accident, coma for 3 days) but when i got back i did well in all my courses and i have a 3.7 and 37 mcat, I am doing fne and have multiple acceptances, u will be fine just work at it
 
hey i got an F during my freshman year but i had a good excuse (car accident, coma for 3 days) but when i got back i did well in all my courses and i have a 3.7 and 37 mcat, I am doing fne and have multiple acceptances, u will be fine just work at it
Wow...proud of your work wish I could be as proud of mine! Good job👍
 
I totally disagree with you. a 3.1 is still competitive for many lower tier non-competitive schools like N. Dakota, Nevada, Howard, etc. Also, as long as he scores at least a 30 on his MCAT, he has a shot at many D.O schools. finally, he can go to the Caribbean schools, pass their credentials and US credentials and be your resident buddy right here in US. As long as his science GPA >3.0 and his overall GPA is >3.0 with at least 30 on MCAt, he is ok. Just explain why you got the C and D and move on. Try not to make any more Cs and if your GPA <3.0, take a 1 year post bacc degree and reapply.

You don't have much chance of getting into North Dakota or Nevada unless you are a state resident. Howard? Might a be a little tough for well "most" applicants.
 
I totally disagree with you. a 3.1 is still competitive for many lower tier non-competitive schools like N. Dakota, Nevada, Howard, etc.

No they would not be competitive for Nevada...i dont know about North Dakota or Howard. Average MCAT scores and GPAs for accepted students to Nevada were ~ 31 and 3.6. Plus Nevada accepts 100% in-state so if you're not a nevada resident or from a western state without a medical school, then there's absolutely no chance.
 
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I see...no URM for me...they allow undergrads to deal with that?

Maybe you should take a year off from school. Just relax and collect your thoughts and seriously consider what you want to do with your life.

Remember, if you really wanted something, you would have known what was needed to get it done, you didn't do it multiple times, and now you have dug yourself this great big hole.
 
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