any one heard about this? 3 years of fellowship post IM residency. 1y of clinic+2 y of research. For who want to do academic in the future. I'm very interested in this, but have no idea with the job market and salary payment in the future. Any one has comment? Looks like it is a pretty new area. Only 7 programs approved in US.
fellowship in vascular medicine
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Yes I have seen those.
My question would be what academic job(s) does it equip you to do. It's not an official American Board of IM subspecialty with its own boards (or is it?). It seems like mostly a research fellowship. check and see if they want you to do basic/bench vs. clinical research, to make sure the fellowship matches with your career goals. I would think that if you don't do invasive procedures, you'll likely be paid what an IM doc would be paid, or close to that.
My question would be what academic job(s) does it equip you to do. It's not an official American Board of IM subspecialty with its own boards (or is it?). It seems like mostly a research fellowship. check and see if they want you to do basic/bench vs. clinical research, to make sure the fellowship matches with your career goals. I would think that if you don't do invasive procedures, you'll likely be paid what an IM doc would be paid, or close to that.
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I would think the job market would be mainly in academia.
There are also chains of clinics that treat venous stasis, varicose veins, and such disorders. They hire IM and fp docs, so would probably love to have a vascular trained person on board. In general though, I think what you are talking about is more of a niche area. In terms of money, I don't think you can justify the extra 3 years of fellowship...I mean you could probably earn similar money as a hospitalist with no fellowship. If you think you are just interested in vascular biology, that would be the only reason to do such a fellowship.
There are also chains of clinics that treat venous stasis, varicose veins, and such disorders. They hire IM and fp docs, so would probably love to have a vascular trained person on board. In general though, I think what you are talking about is more of a niche area. In terms of money, I don't think you can justify the extra 3 years of fellowship...I mean you could probably earn similar money as a hospitalist with no fellowship. If you think you are just interested in vascular biology, that would be the only reason to do such a fellowship.
thanks a lot for your reply. I think salary similar to hospitalist is good enough already for the life style for vascular medicine. I tried job search online. The worrisome thing is only very few programs recruits vascular medicine internist. Still scrathing my head. But it is time to submit the application. 🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁
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Bumping this very old thread up. There are around 15 programs in the U.S. with 1-4 fellowship positions annually.
Vascular medicine is a 1-2 year fellowship after internal medicine > vascular internist.
Vascular medicine can also be a one-year fellowship after cardiology > vascular cardiologist (COCATS III in vascular medicine).
Vascular medicine physicians diagnose and treat atherothrombosis, vasculitis, venous thromboembolism, vasospasm, aneurysms, wounds, thrombosis, autoimmune disease, thermal, and compressive disorders, and the practice and interpretation of vascular ultrasound studies. At the conclusion of the year, the fellow will be eligible and very-well prepared for the RPVI examination and the general vascular medicine examination offered by ABVM. For fellows who wish to develop special expertise in the management of venous and lymphatic disorders, there are additional qualifications offered by the American Board of Venous & Lymphatic Medicine (ABVLM). .
There is a need to have more doctors trained in vascular medicine. Starting salary is pretty close to what a non-invasive cardiologist makes in academic medical centers. Vascular medicine is one of the best-kept secrets in internal medicine. Please PM me if you are interested.
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Happy to chat to interested parties as well. Completed K12 vascular fellowship in 2009, have had an interesting career path since then. It’s a great field, satisfying, with some unique challenges. It’s not a job that is readily available everywhere and oftentimes you might have to “create” the position at some practices/institutions.
Hi guys, was an old member of this forum however, did not apply to US residency earlier due to multiple factors. I am interested in pursuing vascular medicine as a fellowship. Applying this year to the residency match hoping to get an interview in a place that offers a vascular medicine fellowship.
My credentials are:
Non-US IMG in need of visa
YOG 2012
Step 1 253, Step 2 261, CS passed all 1st attempt
Chief resident experience and home country IM residency
>20 PubMed indexed publications (5 or 6 related to VTE)
M.Sc in clinical research from a European university
Would appreciate it if you can grant me an interview in institutes where you are working where I can find an angiologist @punjabiMD @Scottish Chap that I can start working with early on from the residency.
Thanks in advance
My credentials are:
Non-US IMG in need of visa
YOG 2012
Step 1 253, Step 2 261, CS passed all 1st attempt
Chief resident experience and home country IM residency
>20 PubMed indexed publications (5 or 6 related to VTE)
M.Sc in clinical research from a European university
Would appreciate it if you can grant me an interview in institutes where you are working where I can find an angiologist @punjabiMD @Scottish Chap that I can start working with early on from the residency.
Thanks in advance
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My institution has a fellowship so I can speak to it very generally. Any specifics and you'll need to talk to people involved in programs.
Pros:
-A respectable alternative to hospitalist work as a post-residency position if do not feel you're competitive enough for Cards fellowship as you'll be doing clinical work while hopefully working on some research to boost your application.
-I can not remember what it is off the top of my head but there are some board exams this fellowship allows you to sit for and there are certain tests (billable) you are trained to interpret and there may be some very minor procedures you can be trained to do. If you feel like you are going to utilize that training in general practice then it may not be a bad idea, but I don't know about the business side to that.
-At super-specialized academic centers, there is a niche for vascular medicine so if you're really niche is academia, this may not be a bad option.
-The fellowship you mention is 3 yrs, but the one I know of is 1 year and for the amount it covers, it's not a bad deal.
Cons:
-Non-ACGME fellowship with no established specialty afterwards.
-It won't automatically qualify you for higher compensation than a hospitalist or open up new opportunities to you outside specialized places.
-Many other fields are traditionally trained in areas you're trained in. Vascular Surgeons know how to medically manage PAD, Cardiologists know about venous stasis as a consequence of HF as well as AF anticoagulation guidelines, Hematologists learn HIT on the inpt side, PCPs alone are qualified to follow a patient's coumadin clinic, and the list goes on as all specialties already are trained to manage the vascular complication of their organ system.
-Expanding on the above point, but with most other fields taking the vascular complications of their fields, your bread and butter will be post-hospital discharge visits for DVT/PE the anticoagulation plan hospitalist will inevitably refer their DC'ed patients to. This management is not really super challenging and you're not really establishing a long term relationship with or engaging in significant medical complexity. Furthermore, warfarin creates a lot of that complexity and while we still need to know everything about it, I suspect with more research into DOACs, traditional indications for Warfarin (ESRD, APLS, >40 BMI) will start to disappear.
Pros:
-A respectable alternative to hospitalist work as a post-residency position if do not feel you're competitive enough for Cards fellowship as you'll be doing clinical work while hopefully working on some research to boost your application.
-I can not remember what it is off the top of my head but there are some board exams this fellowship allows you to sit for and there are certain tests (billable) you are trained to interpret and there may be some very minor procedures you can be trained to do. If you feel like you are going to utilize that training in general practice then it may not be a bad idea, but I don't know about the business side to that.
-At super-specialized academic centers, there is a niche for vascular medicine so if you're really niche is academia, this may not be a bad option.
-The fellowship you mention is 3 yrs, but the one I know of is 1 year and for the amount it covers, it's not a bad deal.
Cons:
-Non-ACGME fellowship with no established specialty afterwards.
-It won't automatically qualify you for higher compensation than a hospitalist or open up new opportunities to you outside specialized places.
-Many other fields are traditionally trained in areas you're trained in. Vascular Surgeons know how to medically manage PAD, Cardiologists know about venous stasis as a consequence of HF as well as AF anticoagulation guidelines, Hematologists learn HIT on the inpt side, PCPs alone are qualified to follow a patient's coumadin clinic, and the list goes on as all specialties already are trained to manage the vascular complication of their organ system.
-Expanding on the above point, but with most other fields taking the vascular complications of their fields, your bread and butter will be post-hospital discharge visits for DVT/PE the anticoagulation plan hospitalist will inevitably refer their DC'ed patients to. This management is not really super challenging and you're not really establishing a long term relationship with or engaging in significant medical complexity. Furthermore, warfarin creates a lot of that complexity and while we still need to know everything about it, I suspect with more research into DOACs, traditional indications for Warfarin (ESRD, APLS, >40 BMI) will start to disappear.
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