First year repeat yet has a high step 1 score

[libraryismyhome]

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I am just curious.

Though this case would be very unlikely, if there is a medical student who had to repeat his or her first year and yet had a very high step score (250+), what would be his or her chances?

He or she would not have a profound reason to explain and also would take a year off doing research while studying for step 1 for nearly a year.

 

[Psai]

don't play games if you're asking for help

 

[Merely]

Maybe he's not asking for help and he's just wondering. Who cares if its hypothetical or real just answer the question if you know..

 

[Donald Juan]

Nobody knows, this is all speculation. If it's a real situation then people can actually ask questions about it. Also, if it's just coming from a student who just failed first year who is just assuming they will get a 250+ on step, then there is no point in speculating over this situation since the student will most likely not make that score (not just because they failed a year, but because that's damn hard to make for all med students).

 

[Goro]

In my school's experience, our repeaters tend to either fail COMLEX Step I on the first try, or pass in the bottom 10-30%. A handful get their act together and score at median. None of our top scorers ever had to repeat a year, or were poor students to begin with.

So I can't relate directly to USMLE, but we strongly advise our weakest students NOT to take USMLE.

Knowledge decay is a real thing, so anyone taking a year off to do research should do it after Step I!

I am just curious.

Though this case would be very unlikely, if there is a medical student who had to repeat his or her first year and yet had a very high step score (250+), what would be his or her chances?

He or she would not have a profound reason to explain and also would take a year off doing research while studying for step 1 for nearly a year.

 

[Psai]

In my school's experience, our repeaters tend to either fail COMLEX Step I on the first try, or pass in the bottom 10-30%. A handful get their act together and score at median. None of our top scorers ever had to repeat a year, or were poor students to begin with.

So I can't relate directly to USMLE, but we strongly advise our weakest students NOT to take USMLE.

Knowledge decay is a real thing, so anyone taking a year off to do research should do it after Step I!

I am shocked that the top scorers did not fail a year

 

[libraryismyhome]

In my school's experience, our repeaters tend to either fail COMLEX Step I on the first try, or pass in the bottom 10-30%. A handful get their act together and score at median. None of our top scorers ever had to repeat a year, or were poor students to begin with.

So I can't relate directly to USMLE, but we strongly advise our weakest students NOT to take USMLE.

Knowledge decay is a real thing, so anyone taking a year off to do research should do it after Step I!

so what if one studies everyday for like 5 hours after work and study every weekends? I did that for my last MCAT for a year and my scores improved.

 

[Jabbed]

so what if one studies everyday for like 5 hours after work and study every weekends? I did that for my last MCAT for a year and my scores improved.

Nope, you still lose.

 

[Goro]

Magic thinking.

so what if one studies everyday for like 5 hours after work and study every weekends? I did that for my last MCAT for a year and my scores improved.

 

[libraryismyhome]

Nope, you still lose.

I gotta at least try. My main goals are to learn efficiently and find a way to get into a very prestigious research fellowship program.

 

[slopes23]

I gotta at least try. My main goals are to learn efficiently and find a way to get into a very prestigious research fellowship program.

You have to be a troll. No if ands or buts about it.

 

[libraryismyhome]

You have to be a troll. No if ands or buts about it.

I am already spending my summer in a prestigious medical institute, and my PI is a friend of the director of one of prestigious research fellowship programs.
People here are very much willing to help me to get into this program.

 

[stevesteve123]

I am already spending my summer in a prestigious medical institute, and my PI is a friend of the director of one of prestigious research fellowship programs.
People here are very much willing to help me to get into this program.

one of my good friends dad owns a diamond mine (serious)

 

[olivarynucleus]

In my school's experience, our repeaters tend to either fail COMLEX Step I on the first try, or pass in the bottom 10-30%. A handful get their act together and score at median. None of our top scorers ever had to repeat a year, or were poor students to begin with.

So I can't relate directly to USMLE, but we strongly advise our weakest students NOT to take USMLE.

Knowledge decay is a real thing, so anyone taking a year off to do research should do it after Step I!

Is anybody in med school really a weak student?

 

[Wordead]

Is anybody in med school really a weak student?

Have you not started medical school yet?

 

[olivarynucleus]

Have you not started medical school yet?

I have started headed into m2,.

 

[Wordead]

I have started headed into m2,.

....And everyone in your class is comfortably passing?

 

[olivarynucleus]

....And everyone in your class is comfortably passing?

what I mean is the dumbest guy in med school, could probably get honors in any other health related program no problem.

 

[Psai]

Is anybody in med school really a weak student?

those who didn't get in on their own merit

 

[qwerty89]

what I mean is the dumbest guy in med school, could probably get honors in any other health related program no problem.

doubt that

 

[Goro]

Even Harvard has troublesome students. Yes, just because one gets into medical school, it doesn't mean one will excel. Most do, but I guarantee you from Albany to Yale. John Burns to Harvard, ACOM to Western, the bottom 5-10% of students cause 90% of the problems for Faculty.

There's a thread over in the Osteo student forum over how people fail out of medical school. It isn't because they're stupid. It's because they have poor work ethics, or poor coping skills. In all my years, I think I only had one student who didn't "get" medical school. That person never graduated.

EDIT: see here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...k-is-failing-out.1145756/page-2#post-16639766

Is anybody in med school really a weak student?

 

[Psai]

Even Harvard has troublesome students. Yes, just because one gets into medical school, it doesn't mean one will excel. Most do, but I guarantee you from Albany to Yale. John Burns to Harvard, ACOM to Western, the bottom 5-10% of students cause 90% of the problems for Faculty.

There's a thread over in the Osteo student forum over how people fail out of medical school. It isn't because they're stupid. It's because they have poor work ethics, or poor coping skills. In all my years, I think I only had one student who didn't "get" medical school. That person never graduated.

this is the first time i'm hearing about this john burns

 

[Goro]

Go google it, and you'll see my geographic reference.

this is the first time i'm hearing about this john burns

 

[ortnakas]

If you repeat first year AND take an extra year to study for boards, that puts you on a six year plan. I'm not a residency director or a faculty member but I can't imagine that looks very good.

 

[libraryismyhome]

If you repeat first year AND take an extra year to study for boards, that puts you on a six year plan. I'm not a residency director or a faculty member but I can't imagine that looks very good.

yeah this is what I am concerned about. so I would try my best to take the boards on time like others and in the worst case scenario, I extend a year. Regardless, I will be doing research for a year since my school does not have pedigree or top-tier status besides being an allopathic school.

 

[W19]

what I mean is the dumbest guy in med school, could probably get honors in any other health related program no problem.

You might have a point here. I was in the top 10% of a class of 100+ students in nursing school while working 40 hours a week and party on weekend sometimes. I am just like Joe the Plummer in med school while having all the time in my hands...

 

[QualityProcess]

what I mean is the dumbest guy in med school, could probably get honors in any other health related program no problem.

pharmacy school is very difficult. It shocks me when people in my class don't even know pharmacy school is 4 years, and competitive students often do two year residencies to specialize in oncology, infectious disease, etc. About once a week my girlfriend is told "wow, pharm school is 4 years? you could have gone to med school for that." Tons of really sharp people in health care don't want to be doctors for tons of reasons.

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[W19]

pharmacy school is very difficult. It shocks me when people in my class don't even know pharmacy school is 4 years, and competitive students often do two year residencies to specialize in oncology, infectious disease, etc. About once a week my girlfriend is told "wow, pharm school is 4 years? you could have gone to med school for that." Tons of really sharp people in health care don't want to be doctors for tons of reasons.

Good pharm schools are accepting people with 20-30 percentile PCAT now...

 

[ortnakas]

yeah this is what I am concerned about. so I would try my best to take the boards on time like others and in the worst case scenario, I extend a year. Regardless, I will be doing research for a year since my school does not have pedigree or top-tier status besides being an allopathic school.

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I think you're placing way too much value on pedigree. Plenty of graduates from medium-tier MD, low-tier MD and *gasp* DO schools get into solid residencies and fellowships. Showing you can be a successful OMS-2 who studies well for board likely will do you more good than taking a year off for research and (especially) for studying.

 

[samac]

. . . I don't like this kid.

 

[libraryismyhome]

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I think you're placing way too much value on pedigree. Plenty of graduates from medium-tier MD, low-tier MD and *gasp* DO schools get into solid residencies and fellowships. Showing you can be a successful OMS-2 who studies well for board likely will do you more good than taking a year off for research and (especially) for studying.

Right but in my situation, I would need the pedigree and prestige as much as I can. Midtier schools cannot save my situation, because these are the schools where students need to do well in order to change their destiny. However if I meet the director of ACGME Graduate Medical Education daily and have coffee with him and do research with his friends, these may make some difference.

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[olivarynucleus]

pharmacy school is very difficult. It shocks me when people in my class don't even know pharmacy school is 4 years, and competitive students often do two year residencies to specialize in oncology, infectious disease, etc. About once a week my girlfriend is told "wow, pharm school is 4 years? you could have gone to med school for that." Tons of really sharp people in health care don't want to be doctors for tons of reasons.

Blue sums up why you think it is difficult

 

[libraryismyhome]

what are you so afraid of?

you need to get evaluated. ask your doctor about paroxetine.

You know. I already learned that I cannot please everyone and each individual has their own problems to deal with so therefore they do not want to hear negative things and rants from others because they don't care and don't want to feel bad. So I won't talk like this in public. However, if there are enemies that get in my way, I need to be mentally prepared to protect what I value and be physically prepared by adopting my newest hobby: Krav Maga.

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[mcloaf]

if I meet the director of ACGME Graduate Medical Education daily and have coffee with him and do research with his friends, these may make some difference.

 

[masaraksh]

Blue sums up why you think it is difficult

Anyone else think we're stamping out more MPHs than the world will ever need?

Someone in my office space at work at work was talking about applying for the masters, thinking it was all competitive and all (not really sure where she'd get that) and then once in seeing that avg ugrad GPAs of people were like 3.0. This other person in the office area was an undergrad looking at MPH programs --- 50k/yr 2-year programs and I was just ... seriously crazy amount of money spent on learning like biostats and epidemiolgy or whatnot. Really makes me hate whats happened to higher ed in this country.

 

[QualityProcess]

Blue sums up why you think it is difficult

You don't know what you're talking about