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[tompi90]

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Hey guys,

From my previous post to this one, there really hasnt been a big improvement in gpa overall. im just gonna copy this from my last post and elaborate:

In college, my first semester was HORRID...a 2.3 gpa. It was all my fault. I felt like a failure for not getting into the schools I wanted, I was surrounded by people whose work ethic/goals were pulling me down, and as a result had no motivation to work. Later during that semester, my grandfather had a lethal heart attack and my family was in a state of shock. This trauma also got to me and had me worried about what was going to happen.

My second semester improved slightly (a 3.0) but still nowhere near what I wanted to get. This semester I was hoping for a 4.0, but fell WAY short of my goal, I got a 2.8, making my cGPA around a 2.7.

The second semester of my sophomore year i did well initially and really dropped the ball towards the end. Im expecting no more than 3.0 again this semester making two years of uni cGPA 2.99…..so i guess i can kiss goodbye to wanting to go to my dream med schools. at this point i dont think i can get into any med school. i really don't know what to do…..i feel like such a failure for not giving it my best and i have no confidence in myself anymore.

what should i do?

 

[the duck]

No I do not. If it was just your GPA, I would say if you did really well, you might have a shot at DO. However, since according to your post you have "tried really hard" several times to bring your gpa up, and have failed horribly I strongly doubt your ability to get your GPA up high enough.

 

[JenniferRU]

Your still only a sophomore, you have two more years to bring your gpa up, I'm in the situation as you and i only plan on applying my senior year if i feel like a strong enough applicant by than, feel free to pm me.

 

[tompi90]

@ thduck: Im sorry but I cant bring myself to apply for DO, its MD or nothing for me.

@ Jennifer: Im definitely only applying my senior year, and I may even do an extra semester if i have too.

the problem is that ever since i failed to do well in college, ive had a hard time getting the motivation to do better. its sort of a self defeating cycle,i fail and then get no motivation to try because im afraid of failing again. Ive kinda let my past two years of failure define who i am, and i don't know how to just ignore the past and not worry about failing and just give it my A game…..

 

[CapnCrunch]

@ thduck: Im sorry but I cant bring myself to apply for DO, its MD or nothing for me.

Could we ask why?

 

[christina30]

@ thduck: Im sorry but I cant bring myself to apply for DO, its MD or nothing for me.

No offense, but this is a stupid statement. 👎

After interviews, etc, NYCOM was my top choice of school, and anyone who thinks less of me for deciding to choose a DO school over MD is a *****.

 

[tompi90]

at this point, how do i turn things around (if i even can)?

 

[WhizoMD]

at this point, how do i turn things around (if i even can)?

may be a bit drastic, but if you have a social life, end it....until you figure out what your problem is, and how you can fix it. I had a horrible first semester (1.something Gpa), the next semester I cut off everything that wasn't school related and ended with straight A's (been steady ever since). All it took was that one semester of isolation to figure things out.

 

[FuSoYa]

At this point, what can we say that will help you turn things around? From what you've said so far, including the No DO policy, you sound like a typical young pre-med struggling with the realization that getting to med school is no cake walk. I would ask you what your motivations are for persuing medicine, but really it doesn't matter when you're a sophomore; you just need to keep your head down and study. There's no magic formula. Those who go on to med school and become doctors find a way to succeed regardless of circumstances or personal shortcomings.

Having said that, If you can pull your grades up enough, there are post-bac programs you can do after undergrad. But I think you need about a 3.0 to get into those programs, and once you get in you need to be getting mostly A's (don't quote me on that though.)

 

[Jihad]

@ thduck: Im sorry but I cant bring myself to apply for DO, its MD or nothing for me.

@ Jennifer: Im definitely only applying my senior year, and I may even do an extra semester if i have too.

the problem is that ever since i failed to do well in college, ive had a hard time getting the motivation to do better. its sort of a self defeating cycle,i fail and then get no motivation to try because im afraid of failing again. Ive kinda let my past two years of failure define who i am, and i don't know how to just ignore the past and not worry about failing and just give it my A game…..

With that gpa you have no realistic chance at all to get into an MD school. Beacuse of your attitude toward DO schools you have no realistic chance of getting into any medical school period. I think you have discovered that medicine is not right for you. Save yourself some time and start thinking of what else you'd like to pursue

 

[WhizoMD]

With that gpa you have no realistic chance at all to get into an MD school. Beacuse of your attitude toward DO schools you have no realistic chance of getting into any medical school period. I think you have discovered that medicine is not right for you. Save yourself some time and start thinking of what else you'd like to pursue

I don't think this is a complete lost cause yet for MD schools, if the op can pull a ~3.8 from now until graduation he/she could end up with a 3.4, it's not great, but it's not horrible either (especially with a decent mcat and trend). But I agree, leaving DO schools off the table is pretty stupid in this situation.

 

[12345a]

you screwed up and got yourself a ridiculously low GPA

you are limiting yourself for not considering other options

you are likely to not become a physician because of these pitfalls

you are what is holding you back

smp, retake courses, new LOR's, more clinical experience, more leadership, apply boradly, apply do, apply carrib, get better grades, don't talk about "trying harder", actually "try harder", go see and adviser.

 

[HopenSacrifice]

Hey! I am kinda in the same situation as you. Although my cGPA is a few decimal points higher. I had a 2.4 fresh GPA, retook two classes, and now I'm at 2.7. It will be a 3.0 by the end of my sophmore year and after I take a summer class. I think that if i get straight As from now on, i can raise it to 3.4 to 3.5 range by the time i graduate. If not, then I am thinking of adding another year to my undergrad study raise it to at least a 3.5 b4 I apply to med school. OTherwise, post-bac would be an option, but my goal is not to go there.

I think you should try to get straight A's from now on. Take fewer hard classes and drop them if you don't think you'll pass w/ an A so that you can retake them...Thinking back, I should've dropped those Cs and retake them..but too late, they've already appeared on my transcript.

I think you should consider a post-bac and/or try to get straight As from now on. Don't let other ppl influence you to go out and party when you need to study!..haha

I had a burn-out. I felt much more relieved after I dropped a class that I struggled in...and now, i'm back on my feet and studying my butt off. I'm looking forward to 4.0s this quarter.

So my point is, Let's keep trying!

 

[tompi90]

i don't have anything against people who choose to do a DO. if thats your choice then I completely respect that. im not saying that a DO is "inferior" or an MD is "superior". Both are indeed good choices, but its not something that im interested in doing.

I know im being annoying, but I need to get my life back on track. After 4 bad semesters i have 0 hope, and 0 confidence to keep going. I can't let the fear of my past keep screwing me up like this.

I need to know how to stay positive and confident, and try to still deliver my best, despite my past failures.

 

[RevivedPreMed]

i don't have anything against people who choose to do a DO. if thats your choice then I completely respect that. im not saying that a DO is "inferior" or an MD is "superior". Both are indeed good choices, but its not something that im interested in doing.

I know im being annoying, but I need to get my life back on track. After 4 bad semesters i have 0 hope, and 0 confidence to keep going. I can't let the fear of my past keep screwing me up like this.

I need to know how to stay positive and confident, and try to still deliver my best, despite my past failures.

My mentor (who has served on adcomm committees in the past) has always asked me "what are you willing to do to become a physician?" In his opinion, you don't truly want to be a physician if you can't answer that question by saying "anything possible." (obviously nothing really crazy or illegal haha)

By you saying that DO is not something you are interested in doing, then you are not truly interested in doing whatever it takes to become a physician (in my opinion). A DO is just as much of a doctor as an MD. It's not like were suggesting two different careers like comparing MDs to nursing.

Every semester that you do poorly you are choosing to not be an MD. If you keep doing poorly and don't make drastic changes you may not even get the choice of DO. I suggest you reevaluate your intentions as a physician and stop coming off as "too good" to become a DO. As of right now, you don't have either title.

I hope this wakes you up and motivates you. My mentor had to give me a major wake up call and I've turned things around so you can too.

 

[HopenSacrifice]

^^not very good advice. I actually heard that it is better to stick with a class and get a bad grade and then retake it. This shows that (1) you don't give up when times are bad (2) you stuck through it and persevered (3) you worked hard and improved your grade by re-taking the class. Plus a lot of W's on your transcript show a lack of commitment, plus with the OP's poor grades I wouldn't recommend that. Also, highly doubt that you guys can get Straight A's all semesters from here on out in UD classes if you couldn't even manage gen chem and the basic bios. You guys should apply boradly and keep your options open to carrib and DO, plus maybe consider graduate school and get a master in public health or something bio related (or something else that you are interested in)

Hey THanks for your advice, but I'm sticking to my MD goal regardless. Right now I am good in all my classes and it will improve big time. I am willing to go through extra years or schooling (including pose-bac if neccesary) to get myself on board b/c i noe this is what I really wanted. I noe someone who gets a gpa2.9 in their undergrad, 4.0 in their post-bac and gets into MED SCHOOL! It's tough, but as long as I'm dedicated and get As in the future, some one will want me..lol. Of course, that will be the only W I will have. I'll try to take less credits so that I can focus more to get good grades. SO yea...

But of course if that's not possible, then I'll go for PA or pharmacy or something. I do'nt really like pharmacy though 🙁

 

[christina30]

My mentor (who has served on adcomm committees in the past) has always asked me "what are you willing to do to become a physician?" In his opinion, you don't truly want to be a physician if you can't answer that question by saying "anything possible." (obviously nothing really crazy or illegal haha)

By you saying that DO is not something you are interested in doing, then you are not truly interested in doing whatever it takes to become a physician (in my opinion). A DO is just as much of a doctor as an MD. It's not like were suggesting two different careers like comparing MDs to nursing.

Every semester that you do poorly you are choosing to not be an MD. If you keep doing poorly and don't make drastic changes you may not even get the choice of DO. I suggest you reevaluate your intentions as a physician and stop coming off as "too good" to become a DO. As of right now, you don't have either title.

I hope this wakes you up and motivates you. My mentor had to give me a major wake up call and I've turned things around so you can too.

To be quite honest, without a 3.0 the chances at DO are pretty slim. The admission requirements for DO schools are going up each year, and by the time OP applies, he may need just as high scores.

 

[whoknows2012]

i don't have anything against people who choose to do a DO. if thats your choice then I completely respect that. im not saying that a DO is "inferior" or an MD is "superior". Both are indeed good choices, but its not something that im interested in doing.

I know im being annoying, but I need to get my life back on track. After 4 bad semesters i have 0 hope, and 0 confidence to keep going. I can't let the fear of my past keep screwing me up like this.

I need to know how to stay positive and confident, and try to still deliver my best, despite my past failures.

I no longer feel any sympathy for you. Do some soul searching and think about if Medicine is a career for you. If it is you'll be smart and apply DO. If not then you will probably not get into a Medical school for the forseeable future. Sorry to be so up front, but this type of attitude among pre-meds is disgusting if you ask me. I'm not saying students should choose DO over MD, but what I am saying is that any pre-med set on going to Med. school should apply and be ready to attend either an osteopathic or allopathic school. I was and I got into an MD school, however, I was more than ready to go to the DO school I had gotten into, and my choice to attend the MD school had everything to do with cost/location/clinical rotations and nothing to do with the letters that will eventually come after my name.

 

[whoknows2012]

Hey THanks for your advice, but I'm sticking to my MD goal regardless. Right now I am good in all my classes and it will improve big time. I am willing to go through extra years or schooling (including pose-bac if neccesary) to get myself on board b/c i noe this is what I really wanted. I noe someone who gets a gpa2.9 in their undergrad, 4.0 in their post-bac and gets into MED SCHOOL! It's tough, but as long as I'm dedicated and get As in the future, some one will want me..lol. Of course, that will be the only W I will have. I'll try to take less credits so that I can focus more to get good grades. SO yea...

But of course if that's not possible, then I'll go for PA or pharmacy or something. I do'nt really like pharmacy though 🙁

You sir are an idiot

 

[christina30]

Hey THanks for your advice, but I'm sticking to my MD goal regardless. Right now I am good in all my classes and it will improve big time. I am willing to go through extra years or schooling (including pose-bac if neccesary) to get myself on board b/c i noe this is what I really wanted. I noe someone who gets a gpa2.9 in their undergrad, 4.0 in their post-bac and gets into MED SCHOOL! It's tough, but as long as I'm dedicated and get As in the future, some one will want me..lol. Of course, that will be the only W I will have. I'll try to take less credits so that I can focus more to get good grades. SO yea...

But of course if that's not possible, then I'll go for PA or pharmacy or something. I do'nt really like pharmacy though 🙁

No offense, but what kind of an idiot thinks it'd be better to be a PA than a DO?

 

[whoknows2012]

No offense, but what kind of an idiot thinks it'd be better to be a PA than a DO?

LOL that was what I was pointing out...these 2 posters are clowns

As a side not the DO school I spoke of in my posts was NYCOM and I really liked the school

 

[tompi90]

so far we've managed to established that I am naive for not wanting to go to a DO school. Terrific.

the point is that at this rate, that might be my only feasible option. my grades aren't good enough for even a DO so that really rules out an MD. I still have a while to apply and things may change. I say I don't want to now, but I might apply to a few DO schools later, who knows?

It still isn't gonna help me if I feel like total $hit about myself for not being able to be where I want. how do people who F***** up really bad still find the motivation to keep going?

 

[12345a]

how do people who F***** up really bad still find the motivation to keep going?

delusion that they can still succeed

 

[HopenSacrifice]

Seriously you are an idiot. First of all you can't spell, and I not longer have ANY sympathy for you. I take back all of my advice. PA schools are harder to get into that med schools btw, and i am sure people will disagree but it is true; they have fewer applicants but the number of students they take is even a lower percentage than med schools. You think everything is just going to fix itself and magically your going to get into an MD school?? and if that doesn't work you want to pursue something you don't enjoy. Sounds like a true, oblivious freshman

okay??! I'm not begging for any sympathy or anything. Laugh all you want...i don't care wat you think.You don't give out good advice anywayz. ~lol. WHo say "everything is just going to fix itself and magically (i'm) going to get into MD?"..you sounded like i'm someone who underestimate med school, which is not true. And yea...your assumption of me being a freshman is wayy OFF!..kinda funny.

 

[christina30]

okay??! I'm not begging for any sympathy or anything. Laugh all you want...i don't care wat you think.You don't give out good advice anywayz. ~lol. WHo say "everything is just going to fix itself and magically (i'm) going to get into MD?"..you sounded like i'm someone who underestimate med school, which is not true. And yea...your assumption of me being a freshman is wayy OFF!..kinda funny.

You're the only one giving crappy advice here. Telling someone to avoid difficult classes for the rest of their undergraduate career in order to soar through with A's doesn't fly. You think medical schools won't see through this bullcrap?

Just accept it, your chances at MD schools are pretty poor at this point, and DO schools aren't exactly a shoe-in, either.

 

[whoknows2012]

okay??! I'm not begging for any sympathy or anything. Laugh all you want...i don't care wat you think.You don't give out good advice anywayz. ~lol. WHo say "everything is just going to fix itself and magically (i'm) going to get into MD?"..you sounded like i'm someone who underestimate med school, which is not true. And yea...your assumption of me being a freshman is wayy OFF!..kinda funny.

Not sure what this means..but back to the issue at hand, you specifically said you're only thinking MD, yet if it doesn't work out you do things you don't like pharm as opposed to DO? That is why people are calling you an idiot and laughing at you. It just doesn't make any logical sense, and while you may not be a freshman (I think you said in your first post you are finishing sophomore yr) you sound about as disillusioned as a first semester freshman pre-med. Many people on SDN are willing to give advice, but the first step to receiving advice is making logical posts, and you so far have failed to do that.

 

[wickl087]

okay??! I'm not begging for any sympathy or anything. Laugh all you want...i don't care wat you think.You don't give out good advice anywayz. ~lol. WHo say "everything is just going to fix itself and magically (i'm) going to get into MD?"..you sounded like i'm someone who underestimate med school, which is not true. And yea...your assumption of me being a freshman is wayy OFF!..kinda funny.

 

[whoknows2012]

I'm not trying to be an ass here, but is english not your first language? Those grammar missteps would make much more sense if that was the case. Either way, do you want some good advice? Take a variety of courses that you find interesting regardless of difficulty level. I have found that a class is so much easier if you feel that learning it is interesting (makes sense right?) There was this one course that was notoriously known at my school for being extremely difficult and only about half of the pre-meds would take it for fear of it ruining their GPA's. It was called the Biology of Cancer and I took it because I thought it would be interesting. Turned out to be one of my favorite classes in all of college, and guess what? I also performed at the top of the class (big deal for me because I never really considered myself to be THAT intelligent) and it strengthened my interest for going to Med School. Also I would say study your behind off for the MCAT's and yes as everyone has been saying when it comes time to apply include DO's because post-baccs often guarantee nothing but a hefty price tag.

 

[Bobcat 2006]

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[12345a]

Yeah it is. So you your a junior/senior who has no hope of getting into med school. And no, I don't underestimate med school at all. I've done my work, have a great GPA and EC's, and i've done what I need to do to give myself the best chance to get in. I simply have no sympathy for the OP because:

(1) he/she doesn't have the slightest clue of the amount of work/sacrifice/commitment that is needed to get in

(2) he/she needs to stop feeling sorry for herself. Nothing any of use tell her is going to change her grades or attitude and in the end of the day, only he/she will determine his/her fate

(3) She's very,very delusional


and nobody said that everything was going to fix itself magically but if you go back and actually read what the OP posted, about working her hardest from here on out and blah,blah,blah and getting into and MD school!!! yet coming back a few posts later and saying that he/she didn't know how she could deal with the failures and motivate herself.

this is so true. People who say "oh, I'll just work harder", "I just have to get a 4.0 from here on out...", etc have no real idea about what someone has to put in to get out competitive grades and a good position for admission.

 

[whoknows2012]

agreed. I'm not going to lie I came in freshman yr thinking somehow I would get into Med School without actually having the dedication and motivation to take on such a feat. Because of this I was blindsided, however, because of my amazing ability to cram for tests, I kept my GPA respectable (in the 3.5 range) and once I matured and came to the realization that I was ready to take on the feat of becoming a competitive applicant everything changed for the better. And here I am today finishing MS-1. It can be done for you guys who have low GPA's early on, but it will take extreme devotion, dedication and motivation and maybe some soul searching to make sure it's all worth it.

 

[Excelsius]

Hey guys,

From my previous post to this one, there really hasnt been a big improvement in gpa overall. im just gonna copy this from my last post and elaborate:

In college, my first semester was HORRID...a 2.3 gpa. It was all my fault. I felt like a failure for not getting into the schools I wanted, I was surrounded by people whose work ethic/goals were pulling me down, and as a result had no motivation to work. Later during that semester, my grandfather had a lethal heart attack and my family was in a state of shock. This trauma also got to me and had me worried about what was going to happen.

My second semester improved slightly (a 3.0) but still nowhere near what I wanted to get. This semester I was hoping for a 4.0, but fell WAY short of my goal, I got a 2.8, making my cGPA around a 2.7.

The second semester of my sophomore year i did well initially and really dropped the ball towards the end. Im expecting no more than 3.0 again this semester making two years of uni cGPA 2.99…..so i guess i can kiss goodbye to wanting to go to my dream med schools. at this point i dont think i can get into any med school. i really don't know what to do…..i feel like such a failure for not giving it my best and i have no confidence in myself anymore.

what should i do?

GPA is only one of the variables to gain admission. Show several quarters of very strong GPA (full time, challenging courses), and that will show that you are willing and capable of hard work. Do very well on the MCAT (97th percentile), you can show that you're very intelligent. Research publications can show that you have scientific insight. Involvement in the community and strong recommendation letters can reveal a worthy character. Even a unique socioeconomic experience can add to diversity.

SDN is a tool. It tells you what you need to do to get where you want to get. No one can ever tell you whether you can or cannot get into medical school, even though people often try to be judge and jury. Certainly, anyone who wants it hard enough will get it, despite a wide variety of obstacles and circumstances. Those who lack determination, will not get anywhere. This is why every year medical schools accept candidates with very low academic numbers, and this is why every year students with very strong academic numbers end up in the Caribbean or fall out from the race altogether.

Don't expect much empathy here because SDNers are competitive and have strong numbers. Psychologically, it makes no sense to a young overachiever as to why an applicant with far inferior credentials should be able to gain an acceptance when the competition is already difficult.

So get off-line, make a schedule, and make sure you hit your milestones as scheduled. If you're set on getting a 4.0, then don't wait until your final to make up. If you're not ready 100% for that first quiz, you should stay off the internet, TV, cell phone, and social visits until you're 100% ready. If you're tired, sleep. If you're bored, read (recall the verbal section on the MCAT). Perhaps the inevitable scopophilia here and there... But make damn sure that you have goals and that you consistently meet them. Know when you're taking the MCAT and peruse everything available to you in the MCAT subforum. You'll need to start buying those books a year in advance and if you're really rusty on your subjects, you might have to start doing a review of facts and concepts a year in advance as well.

This process is a game of chess - plan your moves many steps in advance. Play your game right, and you might attain what you want without first sacrificing most of your pieces (unnecessary post-bacc, SMP, masters, etc). Pick the schools carefully and copiously. Have a list of all the school to apply to a year in advance. A month before the season opens, have all your essays for the primary and secondary applications ready so you can send them in instantaneously.

Finally, low GPA is a consequence of lack of academic hard work rather than intelligence. The human population is too hopelessly clone-like for there to exist any significant variations in intelligence levels, barring any patent mental disabilities. This is just college, nothing complicated. Anyone can do very well. It's just a matter of dedication. Keep this in mind as you're climbing up the ladder once again.

 

[HopenSacrifice]

I would like to delete all i've said b4

 

[UnlonelyRoad]

I no longer feel any sympathy for you. Do some soul searching and think about if Medicine is a career for you. If it is you'll be smart and apply DO. If not then you will probably not get into a Medical school for the forseeable future. Sorry to be so up front, but this type of attitude among pre-meds is disgusting if you ask me. I'm not saying students should choose DO over MD, but what I am saying is that any pre-med set on going to Med. school should apply and be ready to attend either an osteopathic or allopathic school. I was and I got into an MD school, however, I was more than ready to go to the DO school I had gotten into, and my choice to attend the MD school had everything to do with cost/location/clinical rotations and nothing to do with the letters that will eventually come after my name.

There are plenty of good reasons not to go DO. You know nothing of this kid's personal situation, yet you pass judgment on him.

I was never going to apply DO, not because I have anything against them, but because I don't agree with the philosophy. It would have been selling out for me to apply to one.

 

[whoknows2012]

There are plenty of good reasons not to go DO. You know nothing of this kid's personal situation, yet you pass judgment on him.

I was never going to apply DO, not because I have anything against them, but because I don't agree with the philosophy. It would have been selling out for me to apply to one.

You don't agree with the philosophy...ok but if you had to choose between being a doctor or not you wouldn't do DO? I call that being a sell out. I know that you understand that once you practice there is zero difference in how you perform your job unless you take on OMM which I have heard most DO's don't past medical school. If you(hypothetically not you personally as I see you are a med student already) for 100% fact can get into an allopathic school than I would do that because it offers you more possibilities with regard to residencies, research etc (obv this is not true for EVERY school but most). On the other hand if someone who has a 3.9 and a 40 who could get into any allopathic school just straight up believes in the Osteopathic philosophy than it is also understandable and commendable for them to attend an Osteopathic school. So I'm sorry but I do not see your point. Low GPA plus probably a Low MCAT= Either spending many years and a lot of money for extra schooling and no guarantees, or an opportunity to get in right away at an Osteopathic school...I think your the one making assumptions about this kids personal situation. Moreover, a statement like "Sorry I can't bring myself to apply DO, MD or nothing for me" makes you think that the OP has some disagreement with the philosophy? I think you're just being argumentative.

 

[whoknows2012]

There are plenty of good reasons not to go DO. You know nothing of this kid's personal situation, yet you pass judgment on him.

I was never going to apply DO, not because I have anything against them, but because I don't agree with the philosophy. It would have been selling out for me to apply to one.

And if you don't mind me asking, what about the philosophy do you disagree with?

 

[Narmerguy]

People should never plan "straight 4.0" semesters as part of their solution to getting back. Students that are academically intense and very studious will usually fail to get 4.0 semesters. It's just really hard to achieve. Don't rely on them because they don't usually happen. I find that planning for a 3.8 is solid and gives a more likely outcome, but work like you're working for that 4.0. Often you'll end up in the 3.8 range anyway.

 

[tompi90]

hey excelsius, thanks for that reply. i tried to do some of those things this semester but i couldn't really stay on track. needless to say i now have a bad freshmen AND sophomore year of college. im pretty sure ive never felt this $hitty about myself until now. i could have worked so much harder, but i slacked off. with two bad years of school, med school seems like traveling to jupiter. i know i should keep going and still give it all that ive got, but even if i do manage to get out of my depression and self-loathing and find a way to get back on track, im gonna need something a lot more than the typical applicant to get in. any idea how to go about this?

 

[mediterranean]

tompi90, I feel like there are too many competitive people on SDN that would only bring your spirit down. You are already depressed and discouraged. If you want useful help, talk to your advisors and there should be academic and career offices and wellness centers (place to talk to for any personal problems). I know that this forum is anonymous so that might have encouraged you to come here without bias, but nothing beats having to talk to someone that knows you well. Maybe you had a professor for a couple of classes that you have done better in than other classes that won't judge you.

Reconsider if you want to still pursue medicine. If so, prove us wrong. There are a few "miracle" stories here but it took them a LOT of dedication. If you don't have the dedication, you can't improve and pull yourself out of the rut.

If you still choose to come to this forum, watch what you say before you type. You can edit posts, but if someone quotes you, it can stay here for all eternity.

SDN is the best for looking up specific schools, interview advice, personal statement advice/revision, MCAT/class/USMLE questions (this might start arguments but not as likely) and advice on what schools to pick based on any unique situations/stats in hopes of finding someone similar if they got into a specific school. Some personal experiences are exceptions to ask on this forum as to whether to include it in a personal statement but nothing else really, and any misc. things such as technology, books, clothing (for interviews or work), etc. Anything I didn't mention should not be asked because it usually starts flame wars.

Best of luck.

 

[Jrsharp70]

Low GPA plus probably a Low MCAT= Either spending many years and a lot of money for extra schooling and no guarantees, or an opportunity to get in right away at an Osteopathic school...

3.0 and a 24? No problem, I'll just do D.O. school!

oh, wait... you mean it doesn't work like that? Man... cuz i wuz hopin me can be dokter one day...

(P.S., maybe someone should just come out and say "sack up and quit being a p*ssy. I don't think I'm your dad, but if I were, I'd regret not kicking your ***** as least once in your life. And I know you are a guy and not a chick, because I've never heard a chick that is such a whiner.)

 

[whoknows2012]

3.0 and a 24? No problem, I'll just do D.O. school!

oh, wait... you mean it doesn't work like that? Man... cuz i wuz hopin me can be dokter one day...

If you read the rest of my posts you'd realize that I was not suggesting that with a low GPA and low MCAT you could get into a DO school...I was first suggesting the fact that the OP should consider the option. I myself applied DO and I didn't have a low GPA or MCAT. Had it not been for the cost I would've went to the DO school I got into (NYCOM).

 

[istunn]

OP, many people here have given you good advice but you have responded with how crappy you feel numerous times. Honestly, you sound like my best friend who just broke up with his significant other and no matter what I say, he will just repeat himself. Maybe the course load that you took during the semesters are just too much for you to handle. Try taking fewer classes so that you can dedicate more time to them and get a better grade, or you can retake some of those classes. Remember, with DO schools (with the exception of TCOM) they will replace your grade with the highest (hopefully most recent) one. I believe the allopathic schools do not allow this.

 

[jm192]

I agree with the "you don't want to be a doctor" sentiment. People offer real advice and solutions and you just keep saying woe is me.

If you want to go to medical school, you have to regroup mentally, and act like the past never happened. Act like it's day 1 of pre-med and you're fired up and going to give it all you got. Don't go into every test thinking omg I got a 2.9, If I don't get a 99%, I'm not getting in. Study hard, work hard, but don't let the stress consume you.

If you want to be a DOCTOR you should really consider DO. The fact that you say it's MD or nothing makes me think you're very uneducated about Osteopathic medicine, and further more about the real world.

It cracks me up that some of you would completely change career goals before going to an Osteopathic school.

 

[ohgodidonteven]

In the Cold War, the spoils of victory would turn out to be the entire world. The US saw the Soviet Union as an entirely new threat by an entirely new enemy, 'animated by a new fanatic faith, antithetical to democracy.' This was a polarized world where the Krelim wished to impose its absolute authority over the world. Therefore, the U.S. would take whatever actions poignant and necessary to ensure that it would not lose this conflict, because a defeat would mean the end of the 'free world' and everything it stood for.

Harking back on what RevivedPreMed said earlier in the thread, the only answer you should give when asked what you were willing to do to succeed is indeed 'anything possible'. Failure is not an acceptable option. Therefore, you should be willing to do whatever is necessary to succeed and achieve your goal, because you cannot accept anything short of that . That is the mindset you need to have to surmount impossible odds.

Of course, this isn't advocating Premed gunning or anything immoral. Although paradoxical, you still have to be willing to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Sesom]

hey excelsius, thanks for that reply. i tried to do some of those things this semester but i couldn't really stay on track. needless to say i now have a bad freshmen AND sophomore year of college. im pretty sure ive never felt this $hitty about myself until now. i could have worked so much harder, but i slacked off. with two bad years of school, med school seems like traveling to jupiter. i know i should keep going and still give it all that ive got, but even if i do manage to get out of my depression and self-loathing and find a way to get back on track, im gonna need something a lot more than the typical applicant to get in. any idea how to go about this?

lol, read this person's posts, then read their avatar. huh 🙂

 

[smarttee88]

@ thduck: Im sorry but I cant bring myself to apply for DO, its MD or nothing for me.

You are clearly not mentally capable of traveling down the "road to MD", as I like to call it! 🙂..You are in no position to limit yourself in any way, shape, or form. The fact that you refuse to attend a DO school in your position shows that you are not dedicated to becoming a doctor. I don't say this often, as I am the type of person that feels anything is possible, but if you don't pull it together within the next semester or two-save yourself the trouble and choose another path.

 

[rxlea]

Not to be a bitch, but have you ever thought to yourself that maybe you aren't cut out to be a doctor? Maybe you should examine some other options. You can't get into pharmacy or PA school with that GPA, unless you have TONS of experience- and I mean more than a year of volunteering or whatever (read: work experience)

EDIT: so, what are you going to do to accomplish your goal?

 

[IH8ColdWeath3r]

PA school is harder/more competitive to get into than medical school people!!!!

 

[Sesom]

PA school is harder/more competitive to get into than medical school people!!!!

Then I will be a PA because I am the most competitive person on the planet!!!!

 

[Iapyx]

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