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another CS major here. i definitely feel for all CS/pre-med folk. CS takes up a tremendous amount of time, and is certainly not an easy major. at my ugrad school, EE and CS majors have a longstanding rivalry over who has the more difficult major; its purdy funny.
 
just wondering if there are any ppl who have gone through the whole CS->Medicine conversion already... people who are going to be going to med school or are already in... would be great to hear some insight from people who've already taking that leap.
 
i might do cs at a small liberal arts school. my undergrad cs degree will be worthless cuz its from a liberal arts school, so i better get into med school
 
i love bumping this thread. COME ON CS PEOPLE!!!! COME OUT AND TELL US YOUR STORIES! 🙂
 
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I'm still straddling the decision line between CS and "much easier liberal arts degree".

On some levels I think I want to do CS because I'm an avid programmer (I love coding) and I've loved IT and computers since childhood (I hold an MCSE certification, like Richie, and I'm currently employed, but in a low income bracket). Plus, I have various credits already towards CS. My heart says "do CS" because computers and software have been my life-long hobby and calling.

Yet, my friend who just graduated from a top CS school (Bill Gates agrees: top) with a 3.2 (yes, he could have tried harder, but still, it's a highly respected program) has no job _whatsoever_ despite searching for several months. Something seems wrong when someone's very bright, graduates from a very respected school in a top CS program, and struggles to pay rent.

When he started CS they told him if he merely GRADUATED, he would get a decent job. Now he can't find a mediocre job. What happened? Is it the bursted bubble of the nasdaq? Is it Bush? Is it India? China? How can we let some of our brightest college grads just stagnate?

...The downfall of CS...

I took a psychology class and repeatedly beat 98% of the students on exams. The material was utterly boring - memorize and regurgitate. Yet, they say "do what you like, b/c you are likely to excel." Such is not the case with me and CS. I liked... no.. loved discrete mathematics, like a fiend, worshipping Kenneth Rosen, and still came out with a B. Granted, it seems good to get a B at a top school in a freshman weed-out class... but I fear that "good" is not enough. Not enough to guarantee reasonably good employment upon graduation.... Not enough to get into medical school.

Thus, I'm strongly considering reaching my dream of being a physician through an easier liberal arts degree. The fact that I truly do want to marry computers and medicine, the fact that I really believe I could help reduce the rate of misdiagnoses through software... I fear none of this may concern an interviewer if I do not have a 3.6 or higher. I'm very bright and desperately want to help mankind. But I must have that GPA.

So, instead I'll waste my brain on memorizing meaningless facts in a liberal arts science-ish degree.

No offense to anyone out there, but I feel like trained dolphins could get a 3.6+ in psychology. Yet, it's the third most common undergraduate major for medical school admissions.

I hate to bust into a "poor me" rant, so I'll stop here. Basically my take is:

- The United States's dominance of science, technology, and education (if it ever was real) is coming to an end.
- The economy is hurting, but only relative to where it was - I grew up in a "dream" economy, so my perceptions are skewed.
- For whatever reason (on purpose or mistakenly), med school admissions, on average, probably prefer those with higher GPAs over more intelligent people who work equally hard or harder (and in my opinion have more to contribute).

I appreciate everyone's comments... it's definitely helped me figure out what to do. I think it may be bio/chem/psych for me. I will, however, continue coding on the side with all the free time I'll gain. :idea:

-izzo
 
izzo said:
Yet, my friend who just graduated from a top CS school (Bill Gates agrees: top) with a 3.2 (yes, he could have tried harder, but still, it's a highly respected program) has no job _whatsoever_ despite searching for several months. Something seems wrong when someone's very bright, graduates from a very respected school in a top CS program, and struggles to pay rent.

When he started CS they told him if he merely GRADUATED, he would get a decent job. Now he can't find a mediocre job. What happened? Is it the bursted bubble of the nasdaq? Is it Bush? Is it India? China? How can we let some of our brightest college grads just stagnate?
Unrelated to medicine, I would like to share some advice in case there are people out there who love CS and really want to get a job in the tech industry.

Internships. 👍

Your grades matter some. In fact, I'd say that they matter a lot, since you will get overlooked in the application process if your grades are poor, regardless of your program. Trust me, there are people from the most difficult programs getting awesome grades.

However, the most important part of getting a job is getting job experience, and a lot of students go through CS without realizing this. Hence, when it comes time to get a full-time job, they are overlooked because they don't have any job experience. It's a Catch-22.

So for those of you who are sophomores or juniors, spend your summers at an internship. Do a Co-op. Get a job, somehow.

Seniors who have graduated and have been unsuccessful - network. Find classmates who got jobs and have them mention you to their bosses. Resume-bombing doesn't work.

Hope that was helpful!

...and now back to SDN. 🙂
 
BubbleBobble said:
Unrelated to medicine, I would like to share some advice in case there are people out there who love CS and really want to get a job in the tech industry.

Internships. 👍

You are absolutely right. He'd have a job if he would have done some internships. Now he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Companies aren't receptive to giving interships once you've graduated. :scared:
 
*bump this sucker*


otherwise, have a great day folks! 😎
 
I knew that I wanted to go into medicine as far back as freshman year of high school. My guidance counselor started sending me packets of information about rural health opportunities and guaranteed admissions programs, etc. Senior year of high school I dated someone very into computers. I learned a little about html and web development and found it very fascinating. There is definitely an immediate gratification element to computer science. You write a program or code a web page and either it works or it doesn't, but you *know* either away. It's not like O-Chem lab where I stood there watching beads of what was hopefully my reaction product collect in a tube of glass for hours on end, only to find out it was tainted.

Anyway... I got to college and decided, much like another poster on here, that a major in computer science might distinguish me amidst other medical school applicants. So, I majored in computer science. The classes difficult, and I have to say I enjoyed my other science courses a lot more... especially Physics. But I stuck with computer science, probably more to graduate on time than any other reason. It's important to note, I took a 500 level Physics class in the spring of junior year which basically worked me harder than I've ever had to work at anything. It was a computational physics (numerical methods) course... and I didn't have the Calculus, Differential Equations, Classical/Quantum Mechanics background necessary to grasp the methods being taught. I knew that going into it, and so did the professor but he thought it'd work out ok as long as I worked my ass off and came in for extra help. So that class was basically my life... I don't even remember what computer science courses I took that semester. 🙂 Anyway, I didn't take the April MCAT because there was just no time to prepare, I would have flunked. Senior year I was just ready to graduate, senioritis, etc. I was sort of seduced by the fact that I had a job doing application development waiting for me after graduation (thanks to an internship) making relatively decent money for a new college graduate.

So I graduated and went to work in computer science. It took only two months for me to realize I would never be happy sitting in a cube, coding for the rest of my career. So, I went back to medicine. I kept working at my job while I took Kaplan's prep course for the MCAT and about a month before the test I quit my job to study (my job was intense, 50, sometimes 60 hours a week plus a rotating pager... typical of CS jobs but it makes studying for something like the MCAT challenging, especially when it's been 2+ years since the premed courses).

So, took the MCAT... did ok, I had a good GPA from undergrad... so I applied and I got accepted to two good schools (good relative to my expectations, I'm sure all the gunners out there would be crying in a corner if they'd only gotten into the schools I did). But I'm ecstatic to have gotten in at all.

So, it's very possible for CS people to get into medical school, certainly no more difficult than it is for any other non-traditional science major.
 
c'mon guys!!! what? no more CS stories?? there must be tons out there!
 
jeanslee said:
c'mon guys!!! what? no more CS stories?? there must be tons out there!
You want a Counter-Strike story ? 😀 😉
 
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