For PCOM students, do you have to get naked?

[pabdalla]

Do you guys have to be half naked in OMM lab? Do girls do it to? lloll😉

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[DO Sigma Nu guy]

Do you guys have to be half naked in OMM lab? Do girls do it to? lloll😉

Girls- Sports Bra and shorts

Guys- Shorts and no shirt

 

[medhacker]

Do you guys have to be half naked in OMM lab? Do girls do it to? lloll😉

True!

naked

 

[surrender903]

sesso as an avatar, i dig it...

 

[It'sElectric]

Girls- Sports Bra and shorts

Guys- Shorts and no shirt

Honestly?? I had no idea it was like that there. I'm surprised there aren't certain body conscious individuals that are really bothered by that.

 

[Taus]

Honestly?? I had no idea it was like that there. I'm surprised there aren't certain body conscious individuals that are really bothered by that.

don't worry....they keep it warm in there to limit the "shrinkage"......you get used to the naked thing after a while....especially after practicing DRE's and genital exams on each other during first semester....you pretty much lose all inhibitions after that...its really not a big deal

 

[It'sElectric]

don't worry....they keep it warm in there to limit the "shrinkage"......you get used to the naked thing after a while....especially after practicing DRE's and genital exams on each other during first semester....you pretty much lose all inhibitions after that...its really not a big deal

Hahaha...cute.

I know you guys don't get naked. I was just curious if girls are in sports bras and shorts and guys are shirtless with shorts? I was just surprised there aren't some students (likely primarily girls) that are opposed to that.

 

[Taus]

Hahaha...cute.

I know you guys don't get naked. I was just curious if girls are in sports bras and shorts and guys are shirtless with shorts? I was just surprised there aren't some students (likely primarily girls) that are opposed to that.

those are the rules.....but most girls come w/ a t-shirt on over a sports bra or tank top and only really take the t-shirt off when they are lying on the table as a patient or standing up specifically to be examined...and as for the DRE and genital exam...you're not really naked...you have a drape on...

 

[DO Sigma Nu guy]

Hahaha...cute.

I know you guys don't get naked. I was just curious if girls are in sports bras and shorts and guys are shirtless with shorts? I was just surprised there aren't some students (likely primarily girls) that are opposed to that.

When you get accepted, PCOM sends a letter stating the dresscode. If you have some reason why you are opposed to taking off your shirt/wearing a sports bra, you have to send them an explanation before matriculating.

 

[DO Sigma Nu guy]

sesso as an avatar, i dig it...

That avatar freaks me out. It just doesnt seem real.

 

[surrender903]

its not real, its a painting.

same with JP's avatar.

 

[JonnyG]

Hahaha...cute.

I know you guys don't get naked. I was just curious if girls are in sports bras and shorts and guys are shirtless with shorts? I was just surprised there aren't some students (likely primarily girls) that are opposed to that.

Theres also a lab near the begining of first year that is designed to tear you down. Your classmates, fellows, professors point out all your structural assymmytries and such. Even the most perfect body has flaws.

As for the dress code, they don't hide this, but every year someone seems to be surprised. Its really not a big deal, people even change into their scrubs for anatomy lab in the hallways. You get use to it

 

[Dr JPH]

Hahaha...cute.

I know you guys don't get naked. I was just curious if girls are in sports bras and shorts and guys are shirtless with shorts? I was just surprised there aren't some students (likely primarily girls) that are opposed to that.

Why would anyone be opposed to it?

If you are self conscious or easily embarassed then medical school is the last place you need to be. Any embarassment I may have had in OMM lab 1st & 2nd year was quickly overshadowed by what I have had happen on certain clinical rotations. Now THATS when you get called out and embarassed.

As said above, the dress code is plainly stated.

And yes, we do enforce it...the students just dont know that when they break the dress code we put a little checkmark next to their name and tally them up at the end of the term. 😀 (thats my job)

The most important thing to remember is that everyone in lab with you will (hopefully) someday be a medical professional. No better time to start acting like a professional than in lab.

I always find it funny that the same people who groan about learning OMM while having to wear a sports bra are the first people to rave about the standardized patients who offer their body for breast, vaginal and rectal exams. Weird. 😕

 

[It'sElectric]

Why would anyone be opposed to it?

If you are self conscious or easily embarassed then medical school is the last place you need to be. Any embarassment I may have had in OMM lab 1st & 2nd year was quickly overshadowed by what I have had happen on certain clinical rotations. Now THATS when you get called out and embarassed.

As said above, the dress code is plainly stated.

And yes, we do enforce it...the students just dont know that when they break the dress code we put a little checkmark next to their name and tally them up at the end of the term. 😀 (thats my job)

The most important thing to remember is that everyone in lab with you will (hopefully) someday be a medical professional. No better time to start acting like a professional than in lab.

I always find it funny that the same people who groan about learning OMM while having to wear a sports bra are the first people to rave about the standardized patients who offer their body for breast, vaginal and rectal exams. Weird. 😕

I wouldn't have one bit of a problem with it, but I'm being realistic. This world (no matter what you aspire to be) is full of people who are overly self-conscious about their bodies (especially women). I completely agree with you that medical students, of all people, should be able to get past it.

That being said, I'm still surprised there aren't some overweight girls (possibly even guys) that struggle with it. That's all I"m trying to say. I'm not knocking PCOM's OMM dress code. I'm just taking part in the discussion.

I'd be willing to bet that there are at least a handful of individuals that semi-dread it.

 

[pabdalla]

thanks for all you guys for the input. The reason why I started the thread is becz indeed I am an overweight guy and PCOM is my first choice for medical schools, but I would feel a little embarassed to if I have to take my shirt off in the lab.😳

 

[pabdalla]

I do not also necessarily agree with the previous comment " if you are easily embarassed then medical school is the place you need to be." So you are saying has a dream to become a physician, but maybe he is a little self concious, so we just tell him or her " don'y go to med school caz you are overweight" or "put off med school until you lose some weight". I think that no body can judge another if he or she was not in the same position. I will hold onto becoming what I want, even if I was a little body consious.🙂

 

[JonnyG]

thanks for all you guys for the input. The reason why I started the thread is becz indeed I am an overweight guy and PCOM is my first choice for medical schools, but I would feel a little embarassed to if I have to take my shirt off in the lab.😳

it really isnt a big deal. You get over it quick. Besides you are going to be putting patients into more ocmpromising positions so in many ways this is a good experience.

 

[It'sElectric]

it really isnt a big deal. You get over it quick. Besides you are going to be putting patients into more ocmpromising positions so in many ways this is a good experience.

I understand where you're coming from, and I'm willing to bet most other people do as well (especially other med students). But you have to take a moment and see where pabdalla and many others like him are coming from.

As an example: In the future you won't be able to just tell a pt. that it "isn't a big deal", because to them it is. There are people that are self-conscious and have fears of numerous things (shots, drugs, manipulation, doctors, surgery, etc.), and they will often be reluctant to take part in something, even if it will greatly benefit them.

 

[JonnyG]

I understand where you're coming from, and I'm willing to bet most other people do as well (especially other med students). But you have to take a moment and see where pabdalla and many others like him are coming from.

As an example: In the future you won't be able to just tell a pt. that it "isn't a big deal", because to them it is. There are people that are self-conscious and have fears of numerous things (shots, drugs, manipulation, doctors, surgery, etc.), and they will often be reluctant to take part in something, even if it will greatly benefit them.

i probably should have clarified too, I ain't sporting no six pack............................quater to half keg at best. Being in an uncomfortable position allows you to empathize with a patient later in your career.

 

[It'sElectric]

i probably should have clarified too, I ain't sporting no six pack............................quater to half keg at best. Being in an uncomfortable position allows you to empathize with a patient later in your career.

Haha....see, now that would definitely help put pabdella at ease coming from someone in a somewhat similar position.

Anyway....it's Friday, so everyone put your birthday suit on and rock out with your c0ck out.

 

[Dr JPH]

I do not also necessarily agree with the previous comment " if you are easily embarassed then medical school is the place you need to be." So you are saying has a dream to become a physician, but maybe he is a little self concious, so we just tell him or her " don'y go to med school caz you are overweight" or "put off med school until you lose some weight". I think that no body can judge another if he or she was not in the same position. I will hold onto becoming what I want, even if I was a little body consious.🙂

Has nothing to do with weight.

All Im saying is that if being stared at in OMM lab by your peers bothers you...then wait until you are the center of attention in front of interns, residents, attendings and even nurses...all of whom are waiting for you to fumble through a relatively easy pimp question. Now THATS embarassment.

 

[It'sElectric]

Has nothing to do with weight.

I'm a fairly fit guy, and I would have to disagree with you in regards to "it has nothing to do with weight". Just from speaking with friends who are on the heavier side, it would be more embarrassing for them and as a result negatively affect them.

So in their case, it would have something to do with it.

 

[Taus]

Maybe that fear about having to take your shirt off in lab will be a stimulus for some people to lose weight....we all know about the health risks of obesity.... almost any motivation to lose weight is a good thing.......

Oh I'm sorry....we're all PC around here....being obese is good for you and no one should ever be encouraged to lose weight....

 

[It'sElectric]

Maybe that fear about having to take your shirt off in lab will be a stimulus for some people to lose weight....we all know about the health risks of obesity.... almost any motivation to lose weight is a good thing.......

Oh I'm sorry....we're all PC around here....being obese is good for you and no one should ever be encouraged to lose weight....

I couldn't agree more. I wasn't condoning obesity or being overweight. I was simply trying to point out the people's feelings are valid. Whatever someone has to do in order to lose weight (so long as it is healthy), then they should do it, but it will ultimately be on their terms.

 

[Dr JPH]

I'm a fairly fit guy, and I would have to disagree with you in regards to "it has nothing to do with weight". Just from speaking with friends who are on the heavier side, it would be more embarrassing for them and as a result negatively affect them.

So in their case, it would have something to do with it.

Their insecurity may have everything to do with weight, but my previous comment did not.

Hence my reply "it has nothing to do with weight."

 

[It'sElectric]

Their insecurity may have everything to do with weight, but my previous comment did not.

Hence my reply "it has nothing to do with weight."

I understand that, but all of this still goes back to the individual's weight and their perception of how it appears to others and themself. It's not like doctors are completely immune to insecurities and shyness just because they're doctors. I'm sure this individual could ultimately get past it all and even attend PCOM's OMM labs (dressed appropriately), but I don't think it's something that other people can just tell the person to essentially "get over it". Often times it takes a little more work than just that.

I'm simply saying that people's feelings are valid and that we need to keep that in mind. I'm not saying that we should coddle and baby people that are overweight or struggle with other health issues.

 

[Zerosixjt]

GA-PCOM does it the same way. After the first week it really doesn't matter because everyone has there shirts off. We also have a unisex locker room to change for anatomy, so you get over any insecurity really quick.

The key is to realise that everyone is different, and you are going to be seeing patients of all shapes and size. So it is just preparing us for life outside of school.

 

[Dr JPH]

The key is to realise that everyone is different, and you are going to be seeing patients of all shapes and size. So it is just preparing us for life outside of school.

👍

I would also hope that once in medical school people are above judging others solely based on weight...maybe not in the "real world", but hopefully it wont happen with classmates and colleagues.

Its big kid school. Time to act like an adult.

 

[newbie04]

Its big kid school. Time to act like an adult.

This is a funny statement.

I didn't believe my friends when they said med school is like high school all over again.

 

[JonnyG]

Its kind of hard to explain why this is no big deal until you are actually there. I understand some people do not like to shed clothes (i was one of them), but after the first lab your mindset just changes to "whatever". Very few people care and your friends are there too.

 

[medhacker]

It is funny to watch kids trying to be the "cool kids" in med school--they're not fooling anyone.

What's up newbie?

In what have you seen this? (actions, attitudes...?)

 

[MossPoh]

After the humiliation of being a chunky kid that started swimteam to lose weight I don't think anything could be that bad. once I lost the weight, wearing a speedo was still an awkward experience but hey....if I can wear a speedo and dive into cold water in front of 100+ people..why not take my shirt off I guess. 😛

 

[emidesu]

In my experience (and I am technically obese) OMM lab is just like going to a nude beach- after the first five minutes no one cares. The only people I have wondered about are conservative Muslim girls who cover themselves.