Forced Resignation--How to Do It Right For Career Protection

[baronzb]

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Unfortunately, many of us will be in a situation where we are ambushed, don't see it coming. Instead of termination, we will be offered a resignation. This has two implications:

1. What will the official reason of resignation be for people inquiring about the resignation outside the company?
A. Will it be broadcast to potential private employers, will the resignation letter be read as the reason?
B. Will it be honored if a government job background agency (very common) and inquire about employment and the reasons one left?
C. Will the company have an unofficial reason for one's termination and effectively ban the former employee, even if he is techinically eligable for rehire?

2. In such situations, is it practical to even write a letter of resignation and have it mean anything?
Given that these things are asked on a federal job app, does this mean gov work is precluded? Since most companies don't divulge reasons for leaving, is crafting such a letter meaningful?

How can one keep their career when the chance of one bad employment experience is so high?

 

[BenJammin]

Never resign. Always let them fire you.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Your changes of unemployment payments are pretty much nil if you resign. In many states, you can still get unemployment payments if you are fired.

Truth is, if they are offering you a resignation, that means they don't have the paperwork in order to fire you without facing possible ramifications. If they have the paperwork to fire you, they will never be nice and offer you a resignation.

 

[baronzb]

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[CetiAlphaFive]

You know, you'd think if the people making these threads put as much effort into their work as they do in hand-wringing over how to be forced out of a job, they probably wouldn't be resigning or getting fired.

 

[CynicalIntern]

You know, you'd think if the people making these threads put as much effort into their work as they do in hand-wringing over how to be forced out of a job, they probably wouldn't be resigning or getting fired.

I've never really understood how, if you know without a doubt that you're going to be fired, and it's always 4-6 weeks down the road, why aren't you putting all the effort you have into finding a new job so you can quit BEFORE you get fired?

 

[BidingMyTime]

Yes, but doesn't that open up a can of worms for the next place to work at? Apps always ask such questions of resigining or firing. Sometimes they say resign in lieu of termination. However, if the previous company's official explanation is resigned voluntarily, doesn't that negate the question?

Pharmacists in a given area know each other and talk to each other. From a legal standpoint, HR is only going to verify employment dates and state if the person is eligible for rehire. Whether the person resigns or is fired, they will most likely be marked "ineligible for rehire"....this is what future employers will hear, and they aren't going to care for the why behind it.

This persons best bet of action is to get another job ASAP and then quit. I just don't see any benefit to resigning without having another job lined up, it won't look good.

 

[baronzb]

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[BidingMyTime]

Can one negotiate for an eligible for rehire and termination letter at time of resignation, say waive right to seek unemployment? What's the best way to do so?

Probably not, unemployment is through the state, so I don't think you can waive away your right to seek it. Also, if a company is terminating you, why would they want to make you eligible for rehire in the future (and why would you trust them to? Even if they did, if you stay in the same area, pharmacists are like the 5 degrees of Kevin Bacon, only it's like 3 degrees. You can bet unofficially, anyone in a position to hire will find out, now if you are planning to move out of the area, then they might not.)

It's a sucky situation to be in, but just think of all the publicly fired top executives, who then got rehired as a top executive at another place. Fired pharmacists get rehired also, although quite possibly not in the same area.

 

[baronzb]

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[CetiAlphaFive]

Hmm...in regards to having the company say if you resigned, and that is the unofficial purpose, what options are available? for future reference.

I'll put this in context using your other username and post from your other thread: Employee discipline by manager

the backstabber pharmacist has succeeded. It has been giving verbal and written complaints about medical errors i made in a the context of non reporting. Additionally the backstabber told the boss i reviewed the med error folder and took out some of my errors.
The boss has no proff but wrote she suspects i did.

There was a report given to the hr office by the manager. There were some operatons issues and workflow issues, but another story , that some techs ignorant of the workflow process were targeting me to the boss.

However the main issues was the backstabber collected one really bad month of errors. Three times more than others. The other two months were bad but not as bad. Again the backstabber is reporting all errors even internal issues ones and even non critical ones like day supply.

Talking to the backstabber is pointless as anything i say is relayed and twisted. Im a hands off guy and have been a dud in crafting these narratives. Otheremployees are aware of the backstabber but are not proactive

i relayed to the boss that when i was alerted by techs the backstabber was tracking my orders and the techs were upset is the reasonI checked the error folder after hours. I work late.

The backstabber reported me. I was unaware we couldn't look in there. Im a recent grad call me stupid. No one told us there was a folder or we had to report. Nor was there any email.


In any event the note being sent to hr says people aka backstabber thinks i am intimidating them when they point out an error and that they have to go behind my back and are not targeting me. Boss is backing up back stabber. I could elaborate but will hold off.

Again i am not aware of how to handle office politics in this new environment

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