FSU College of Medicine...an insiders perspective

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To all those considering the Florida State University College of Medicine:

I am currently a medical student at FSU, and for those of you who are unfamiliar with it (presumably most, since it is still very new). I would like to provide you, the premed, unsolicited, unedited information, to make your journey better.
First, FSU in an incredible institution. I've never seen an institution where the faculty is as willing to go out of their way to help you. If at any time you're having any trouble (which everyone, yes, everyone will... even right now, as you're thinking "I know he says everyone, but surely I'm the exception, after all, I got straight A's in all of my organic physical engineering for chemical physics of black holes," yes, med school is tough, and even you'll need help at some point), they'll gladly go out of their way, or even stay late to help you out. When people say FSUCOM is state of the art, they're not kidding. We're totally wireless integrated. No microscopes, professors provide all the notes to their classes, and you electronically keep track of every patient you see from day one. And while the manditory PDA sessions are a pain in the ass, it's really nice to be able to look up any drug, any disease, and any statistic any time you want. And while FSU is new, the match results are spectacular. If you're worried that FSU will make you go into primary care, last year we had as many general surgery matches as FP. Also, one guy matched at UNLV plastics. Talk about a place to learn to do boob jobs... Also, the only competition that takes place is good spirited between like minded classmates. There is no malicious gunning, no study session disruption, and no stealing of femurs from the anatomy lab. The clinical experience is great. From day one, you're practicing history and physical exam skills. While it may seem touchy feely at first, by the time you get to third year, you're a pro while most med students are still drooling on their reflex hammers. I think that once FSU get's rid of it's "new school" reputation (which will be helped by UCF and FIU), then it'll become a school known to produce good clinicians. Also, if you DO want to go into primary care, there is nothing but support for you. There are limitless opportunities for clinical experience, conferences, and instruction/guidance. Every student does a biweekly clinical with an FP or IM every semester starting in the spring of year one, and a 3 week long, every day, shadowing over the summer. If you want to see patients, you'll be able to... easily.
If this sounds like one big cheering section for the school, let me assuage you.
The bad:
If you want to do research, this is not the school for you. The only research opportunities before year 4 are during the summer btw yrs 1 and 2. Most people do it just for an easy paycheck. A friend of mine tried to keep it up during year 2, only to have to drop it due to time constraints. I personally was a TA for the year 1 anatomy (yes, it starts in the summer), and I felt I got infinitely more out of my experience than pretty much everyone that did research. It's simply not emphasized. Even the course material strives to be clinically relevant (save the one professor that drones on about the role of serotonin in jet lag). Also, if you would rather not be a doctor than be a family physician, then you might want to think about your choice. While the stated mission of the school is to provide primary care physicians (which, I don't care, I define this as FP, OBGYN, IM, Peds, Gen Surgery, maybe even Neurology and Derm, but I digress...), the administration itself does nothing but praise the righteousness of family practice and condemn the evil that is the subspecialist. One administrator, while speaking about planning for the match, refered to a "good family practice" student, and said that a student choosing to go into family practice was making a "right decision." A friend of mine, during his aforementioned 3 week experience, received a notation on his final evaluation saying "with a little encouragment, I think we could get him to go into family practice." Telling... One club, the Surgery and Anesthesiology Interest Group, repeatedly receives a lack of funding, has horrible red tape in regards to both activities and fundraisers, and had a horrible time finding a faculty sponser. A friend of mine who is president of a specialist interest group repeatedly runs into red tape, and had one great idea of integrating everyone into hospital HIPAA meetings shot down like the slow duck. He also wanted to initiate a shadowing program, and the admin just sat on the idea for months, eventually rejecting it. I completely agree with the notion that the US needs more generalists. That being said, having FP shoved down your throat for years only makes you resent it more. I personally think that by "encouraging" people to go into FP, you only degrade the specialty, playing to the notion that many med students have about it being lowly.
Speaking of red tape, one friend of mine tried to start a medical finance seminar/club, only to be told that there was no need for it and the school was doing a "good enough" job at it (which, according to him, it was sorely lacking). Why not have it? Dunno...

So, long story short, it's an incredible place to be. The teachers and students are laid back, and you'll learn everything you need to know clinically, and you'll learn it well. From FSU you can then pursue any specialty you want, and most often successfully (yes, we've had our fair share of derm matches, and a ton of ophtho). However, it's not the best research school, and the admin is pushy regarding FP, not to mention the red tape... so good luck, and hopefully I'll see you out at preceptor while I'm on rounds one day!

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Thanks for the insider information! I toured the FSUCOM last year, and was impressed by their facilities and with the students I met over lunch. I'm applying there this year and look forward to learning more about the school (and others) directly from students. All of the medical schools look the same in the MSAR and on their respective websites, so valuable information like this is golden. Thanks! 🙂
 
I interviewed at FSUCOM in early October and I had many of the same impressions that you are stating. The facilities were amazing and the overall karma was very friendly. They really emphasize group studying and that is right up my ally. I dont think they even mention research on the tour although there is a huge wing that is devoted to research. Anyway, I recently received an acceptance at FSUCOM and I am seriously considering going there. I am glad that this post reaffirmed many of my own first impressions. Maybe ill see you there!
 
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Thank you for the informative post! Do you have any idea how they respond to students going into Psych? Some places consider that primary care.
 
Thank you for the informative post! Do you have any idea how they respond to students going into Psych? Some places consider that primary care.

During my interview I mentioned my interest in Emergency Medicine which can also be considered primary care. The interviewer explained that while they do not technically consider it a primary care field, the previous class matched 7 out of 30 in ER medicine (class size is 80-100 now). I also know a friend who was accepted and he clearly stated that he wanted to work in forensics. Bottom line is that they still accept students who don't have a strong interest in their definition of "Primary Care".
 
They accepted me and I specifically told them that I wanted to subspecialize in surgery.
 
Since this is clearly the hot topic, let me clarify:

WHen I interviewed, I told them flat out that I was interested in General Surgery. My interviewer was actually relieved because she said she always gets people saying "Family Practice" but she can tell they're lying. You do NOT have to tell them you wanna go into primary care to be accepted. They know most pre meds have outside interests. That being said, you will switch your interests at least twice during your tenure in medical school. Also, the admissions committee is different than the administration. When you get here, it will be pushed, and pushed hard.
 
A couple things I forgot to mention:
first: the first year at FSU is much more like an extension of undergrad. Pretty much every recent class spends at least the Summer and Fall semesters relatively intoxicated (at least for most of the weekends). I think this has a lot to do with the lack of a teaching hospital, the regional campus assignments (so there are no 3rd or 4th year students hanging around the main campus), and the undergrad party mentality already firmly entrenched at the university. This is either good or bad, depending on what you want in a med school.
second: speaking of regional campuses, they ship you off to do 3rd or 4th year in a regional campus somewhere in the state of Florida. The locations are currently Orlando; Sarasota; Tallahassee; Pensacola; Thomasville, Georgia; Daytona Beach; and Ft. Pierce. If you're not married or have children, you're assigned a campus by drawing numbers out of a hat. Again this can work for or against you, depending on what you want. Orlando is the only real "academic center." The other campuses have community hospitals to learn from. If you're lucky, you get Orlando. If you're not, you get Thomasville, GA. Pretty much everyone guns for Orlando first, then everything fills up that's not Pensacola or Thomasville, and the people with the low numbers get those. If you want to live there, great, if not, sucks. Good luck.
 
At least Thomasville is um.....quaint. It seems that all the research that goes on there is with undergrad students.lol My girlfriend does research at the college of medicine and she was talkin about how the majority are not in medical school.
 
If you're not married or have children, you're assigned a campus by drawing numbers out of a hat.

If you aren't legally married (since it's illegal), will they still consider you for the Orlando location? My partner and I own a home in the area, and returning to the Orlando area would be best so that I can be close to my family.
 
I'm from Orlando and currently living here. My family already has a couple homes here so it would be the easiest on relocation for me. Would they make exceptions? I have an interview with them in a little less than a month, but should this be something I bring up?
 
Thanks bro., FSU has been one of my top choices, and it will continue to be that!! 😀
 
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If you aren't legally married (since it's illegal), will they still consider you for the Orlando location? My partner and I own a home in the area, and returning to the Orlando area would be best so that I can be close to my family.

I'm not sure. You'd have to appeal to the administration on that one. I'm sure if you were able, in your request, to illustrate the commitment and relationship equivalent to what they'd expect a marriage to be, than I'd be very suprised if you didn't get it (especially since at that level, it'd basically be exclusion). Anyway, I'd e mail an administrator about that.
 
I'm from Orlando and currently living here. My family already has a couple homes here so it would be the easiest on relocation for me. Would they make exceptions? I have an interview with them in a little less than a month, but should this be something I bring up?

Familial location is not a factor that merits consideration for placement...although we all wish it were.
 
I managed to get accepted after I wrote in my application that I want to specialize in cardiology. (Although during the interview I tried to down-play it by saying that my only medical experience was in cardio right now, but who knows...and I still felt like I was getting a little crap from them about it during the interview.) The facilities look great, and while the obsession the school has with rural medicine has me a little scared (since I want to work in congenital, which means I need a residencey/fellowship at Mayo or JH) I've talked to a lot of doctors, and they said that you would probably get more training in the rural setting than the big city hospital where you have to deal with residents and fellows. At FSU, the student that took us on the tour even told us stories of some of the M3 and M4s who have delivered babies and assisted with surgeries because they can work directly with the doctors in the rural settings.

Now if only the school would start in August instead of June.
 
I managed to get accepted after I wrote in my application that I want to specialize in cardiology. (since I want to work in congenital, which means I need a residencey/fellowship at Mayo or JH)
Slow down there, killer. Get through your IM rotation first before you start mapping out where you'll do your fellowship.

At FSU, the student that took us on the tour even told us stories of some of the M3 and M4s who have delivered babies and assisted with surgeries
This is common. I would only go where I felt confident I would have those experiences.

because they can work directly with the doctors
Would you go somewhere you couldn't work directly with doctors? Also, many of your best experiences and instruction will come from working with residents, so don't write them off.
 
Slow down there, killer. Get through your IM rotation first before you start mapping out where you'll do your fellowship.


This is common. I would only go where I felt confident I would have those experiences.


Would you go somewhere you couldn't work directly with doctors? Also, many of your best experiences and instruction will come from working with residents, so don't write them off.

Completely agreed. People change their minds about specialty all the time in med school, so one step at a time.
A big selling point FSU will push is that you get to work one on one w/ physicians during your 3 and 4 yrs. This is only the case if you go somewhere w/o a residency program (Sarasota, Thomasville, Daytona, Ft Pierce). In Orlando and Pensacola, you'll be at the back of the educational line just like everyone else. If you are at any of the other locations, you'll be rounding w/ just the physicians, but you also won't have any connections when it comes to residency. For example, I tried to set an appointment with the program director of the general surgery residency to talk with her about making myself a quality applicant. Then I realized not only do we not have a GS residency, but we don't have a dept of surgery. So there's good and bad to every side, and don't let anyone sway you to any extreme (incl the FSU administration).
 
A couple things I forgot to mention:
second: speaking of regional campuses, they ship you off to do 3rd or 4th year in a regional campus somewhere in the state of Florida. The locations are currently Orlando; Sarasota; Tallahassee; Pensacola; Thomasville, Georgia; Daytona Beach; and Ft. Pierce. If you're not married or have children, you're assigned a campus by drawing numbers out of a hat.

Do they set you up with housing/transportation to these places or are you supposed to hash it out yourself?
 
I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing (at an FSU interview) that they do not provide housing. It makes sense because you are in the new city for a full two years, so it's pretty much just like moving to go to med school. I'm pretty sure you have to find housing on your own because it's not like you are moving for every rotation; you are there long enough to get and lease and set up your own place.
 
Then I realized not only do we not have a GS residency, but we don't have a dept of surgery. So there's good and bad to every side, and don't let anyone sway you to any extreme (incl the FSU administration).
Time to start scheduling those away rotations... 😉
 
Then I realized not only do we not have a GS residency, but we don't have a dept of surgery. So there's good and bad to every side, and don't let anyone sway you to any extreme (incl the FSU administration).

Wow. I guess in that case there is a 0% chance of landing a neurosurgery residency spot going through FSU. Not that I want to do neuro...
 
Wow. I guess in that case there is a 0% chance of landing a neurosurgery residency spot going through FSU. Not that I want to do neuro...
Actually not entirely true. People match into specialities from schools without that department every year. It's just an uphill battle and you HAVE to do an away rotation (preferably more than one) to have a chance at matching. Ortho is a common example.
 
I really wanted to apply to FSU; however, they only take Florida residents. That is a shame, considering the in-state schools (UAB and USA) do take OOS residents, which adds to the competition. Oh well, all good! I'm sure FSU is a great program though.
 
I really wanted to apply to FSU; however, they only take Florida residents. That is a shame, considering the in-state schools (UAB and USA) do take OOS residents, which adds to the competition.

Right, well, the state of Florida has a lot of elderly who will need healthcare and they want to ensure that med students stick around in Florida. But most of the premed students I've talked to don't want to practice in Florida.

Why? They've been here long enough, it's very hot, driving is a pain because of the elderly and tourism, no seasons, three strikes you're out rule, and certain parts of Florida -- like south Florida for instance -- are very very expensive. There are housing complexes springing up all over with houses starting in the $500k's.

Florida has opened up FSU and UM@FAU, soon to open up FIU and UCF, and they're still going to be short of doctors because the state hasn't addressed some of the larger issues at hand here.

It's just like the "lack of teachers" issue... they spend millions trying to promote a career in education to college students who know better than to pursue education and live paycheck to paycheck as a highschool teacher.

It's unfortunate.
 
Completely agreed. People change their minds about specialty all the time in med school, so one step at a time.
A big selling point FSU will push is that you get to work one on one w/ physicians during your 3 and 4 yrs. This is only the case if you go somewhere w/o a residency program (Sarasota, Thomasville, Daytona, Ft Pierce). In Orlando and Pensacola, you'll be at the back of the educational line just like everyone else. If you are at any of the other locations, you'll be rounding w/ just the physicians, but you also won't have any connections when it comes to residency. For example, I tried to set an appointment with the program director of the general surgery residency to talk with her about making myself a quality applicant. Then I realized not only do we not have a GS residency, but we don't have a dept of surgery. So there's good and bad to every side, and don't let anyone sway you to any extreme (incl the FSU administration).

Yeah I know - I do have the chronic habit of getting ahead of myself. Anyway, there are ups and downs to the program just like anywhere else. (Although in-state tuition is a huge plus.) I'm just trying to get over any hesitations I have about going there, and it does have such a different way of thinking then where I am right now. (My undergrad school is obsessed with doing the extreme, tons of research, and getting as far as fast as you can.) I just really want to know what everyone else thinks about the school.
 
I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing (at an FSU interview) that they do not provide housing. It makes sense because you are in the new city for a full two years, so it's pretty much just like moving to go to med school. I'm pretty sure you have to find housing on your own because it's not like you are moving for every rotation; you are there long enough to get and lease and set up your own place.

exactly right.
 
Right, well, the state of Florida has a lot of elderly who will need healthcare and they want to ensure that med students stick around in Florida. But most of the premed students I've talked to don't want to practice in Florida.

Why? They've been here long enough, it's very hot, driving is a pain because of the elderly and tourism, no seasons, three strikes you're out rule, and certain parts of Florida -- like south Florida for instance -- are very very expensive. There are housing complexes springing up all over with houses starting in the $500k's.

Florida has opened up FSU and UM@FAU, soon to open up FIU and UCF, and they're still going to be short of doctors because the state hasn't addressed some of the larger issues at hand here.

It's just like the "lack of teachers" issue... they spend millions trying to promote a career in education to college students who know better than to pursue education and live paycheck to paycheck as a highschool teacher.

It's unfortunate.

The bigger issue you didn't address is malpractice. I know plenty of people who love the heat, don't mind tourists, and a Doctor will be able to afford decent living accommodations. However, the malpractice rates are some of the (if not the) worst in the country, the Florida bar is extremely influential, and there's a 3 strikes rule where a Dr loses their license if they get 3 malpractice convictions (which includes settlements). Doctors want to practice medicine, not work 3/4 of a year to cover malpractice premiums and have to look over their shoulder for a personal injury attorney.
Also there are very few residency programs in the state of FL, and most physicians practice w/in 50 miles of where they do their training.

Feel free to PM me with any questions...
 
Any idea where people specifically matched too, or just the specialty?
 
I managed to get accepted after I wrote in my application that I want to specialize in cardiology. (Although during the interview I tried to down-play it by saying that my only medical experience was in cardio right now, but who knows...and I still felt like I was getting a little crap from them about it during the interview.) The facilities look great, and while the obsession the school has with rural medicine has me a little scared (since I want to work in congenital, which means I need a residencey/fellowship at Mayo or JH) I've talked to a lot of doctors, and they said that you would probably get more training in the rural setting than the big city hospital where you have to deal with residents and fellows. At FSU, the student that took us on the tour even told us stories of some of the M3 and M4s who have delivered babies and assisted with surgeries because they can work directly with the doctors in the rural settings.

Now if only the school would start in August instead of June.[/QUOTE]

I know! I love 😍 FSU 😍 but don't understand why they think that students will be able to start med school at the top of their game with only a month-long break after 4 years of challenging undergrad classes.
 
I have a question for FSU med students such as Buscuit,


What do you think the impact of UCF's new med school opening will have on FSU's affiliations with Orlando Regional Medical Center..


I know FSU's Orlando based hospital is ORMC, one of the most widely known academic hospitals in central Florida. However, with UCF's new school opening soon will it be harder for FSU to keep their contract there??

I'm just asking because I am wondering how they will accomodate students from UF away rotations, UCF med, and FSU med all at the same time.

Also is there any talk about forging affiliations with Tally Memorial at FSU??
 
Also, I hear that FSU makes you attend all lectures rather then having video streaming of lectures for people who don't want to go to lecture. Do you find this to be a negative or a positive?
 
Also, I hear that FSU makes you attend all lectures rather then having video streaming of lectures for people who don't want to go to lecture. Do you find this to be a negative or a positive?

guju. I have attended a couple of anatomy lectures for several reasons. The classes are packed, so I'd assume there must be an attendance rule. I can not compare to other anatomy classes since I haven't sat in..but this did not feel so much as a lecture as active participation. Bring out laser pointers, randomly select people and ask them questions, etc. It seems that the faculty makes an honest attempt to know EVERY person in the class. My few times there I felt beyond comfortable and while looking around I'd see some people doing quiet discussions about parts while regular class was going on. I wouldn't say it was "exciting" but they certaintly seemed to do a better job than just standing there and talking. Someone that goes there can tell you more..but I interact with them on a regular basis and that is what I noticed.
 
guju. I have attended a couple of anatomy lectures for several reasons. The classes are packed, so I'd assume there must be an attendance rule. I can not compare to other anatomy classes since I haven't sat in..but this did not feel so much as a lecture as active participation. Bring out laser pointers, randomly select people and ask them questions, etc. It seems that the faculty makes an honest attempt to know EVERY person in the class. My few times there I felt beyond comfortable and while looking around I'd see some people doing quiet discussions about parts while regular class was going on. I wouldn't say it was "exciting" but they certaintly seemed to do a better job than just standing there and talking. Someone that goes there can tell you more..but I interact with them on a regular basis and that is what I noticed.

Thank you for your response. I just was curious about people's thoughts on that.
 
On top of everything, You would be a part of a school that has the BEST FOOTBALL TEAM in the nation....doesn't get much better than that!🙂
 
I have a question for FSU med students such as Buscuit,


What do you think the impact of UCF's new med school opening will have on FSU's affiliations with Orlando Regional Medical Center..


I know FSU's Orlando based hospital is ORMC, one of the most widely known academic hospitals in central Florida. However, with UCF's new school opening soon will it be harder for FSU to keep their contract there??

I'm just asking because I am wondering how they will accomodate students from UF away rotations, UCF med, and FSU med all at the same time.

Also is there any talk about forging affiliations with Tally Memorial at FSU??

Also, I hear that FSU makes you attend all lectures rather then having video streaming of lectures for people who don't want to go to lecture. Do you find this to be a negative or a positive?

FSU has a formal affiliation with TMH in Tally, as that is the primary hospital Tallahassee regional campus students rotate in. As far as ORMC, FSU probably won't lose the affiliation, even with the UCF school opens (if it ever does).

And yes, FSU has required lectures. It sucks a lot because you can't "protest" the lectures by not showing up.

I hope this is helpful to any new premeds trying to come up with application lists!
 
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