Full Time Equivalent

[Sushirolls]

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I vaguely recall touching on this before. I think it might be buried in another thread with the oft to happen side topics that develop. As the title prompts, what is considered a full time equivalent for clinical hours in Psychiatry outpatient?

Poll is open, and visible.

I voted 36, based on observations of job market, but I think 32 should be a standard to emerge.

 

[clozareal]

I was offered a salaried job where it was 2 hours a day for admin, 6 clinical hours per day, 5 days a week which they considered full time.

 

[NickNaylor]

At our institution, 1 FTE is considered by the bureaucrats to be 40 hours/week. Almost everyone gets 10% "time" for "teaching," so really the expectation is 36 hours/week. I've found that 10% time to be purely fictitious as I don't know of anyone - particularly lower ranked academics - to actually have that time blocked out in their clinical schedule, whatever it may be.

 

[comp1]

It totally depends on how "clinical" is defined.

 

[Sushirolls]

Seeing a patient for follow up or consult. Face-to-face time with patients.

 

[justordinary]

At our institution, 1 FTE is considered by the bureaucrats to be 40 hours/week. Almost everyone gets 10% "time" for "teaching," so really the expectation is 36 hours/week. I've found that 10% time to be purely fictitious as I don't know of anyone - particularly lower ranked academics - to actually have that time blocked out in their clinical schedule, whatever it may be.

Is there RVU expectation for the low ranking faculty??

 

[FlowRate]

Just saying, full time here after 18 months on the job is 30 hours per week with 2 hours per day of dedicated charting/phone calls/paperwork/messages time (NOT counting lunch.) Having done 35 and 32.5, I would hate to stick with those numbers long term. The extra half-hour break mid-afternoon really helps with feeling like I can take extra time during an eval and have room to catch up on documentation without cutting into lunch. Once I get the mid-morning break, things will really feel very manageable.

 

[Bartelby]

FlowRate, does that mean five days per week, six hours clinical care per day (with two hours of admin time taking the total to 8 hours/day)? That seems pretty good, and likely about what I would look for in an outpatient job.

 

[FlowRate]

FlowRate, does that mean five days per week, six hours clinical care per day (with two hours of admin time taking the total to 8 hours/day)? That seems pretty good, and likely about what I would look for in an outpatient job.

Yes, exactly. We're slightly frontloaded compared to some academic and other jobs that cap max number of intakes per day. For the first 6 weeks while onboarding you have a slow increase from 2 clinical hours to the full 7. Then for the remainder of the first 9 months you have 5 days x 7 clinical hours per day. 6 of those hours can end up being 6 intakes although that number reduces as you start getting follow-ups scheduled blocking those slots. After 9 months you get an additional 30 min of admin time and after 18 you add another 30 min for a 6 clinical hours x 5 days schedule.

We're hiring, happy to give more details by PM.

 

[Merovinge]

Yes, exactly. We're slightly frontloaded compared to some academic and other jobs that cap max number of intakes per day. For the first 6 weeks while onboarding you have a slow increase from 2 clinical hours to the full 7. Then for the remainder of the first 9 months you have 5 days x 7 clinical hours per day. 6 of those hours can end up being 6 intakes although that number reduces as you start getting follow-ups scheduled blocking those slots. After 9 months you get an additional 30 min of admin time and after 18 you add another 30 min for a 6 clinical hours x 5 days schedule.

We're hiring, happy to give more details by PM.

Is pay based on production in any manner or almost all flat? Many places these days it seems like they are happy to let you work that schedule but you just won't get the extra RVU/production pay accordingly.

 

[FlowRate]

Is pay based on production in any manner or almost all flat? Many places these days it seems like they are happy to let you work that schedule but you just won't get the extra RVU/production pay accordingly.

Flat salary. 6 weeks of vacation. Good support staff. Popular big city. I'd estimate value of total comp/benefits at about $325-$345k. I can't imagine most other employed outpatient jobs paying much more with their RVU bonus without grinding way harder.

 

[Fuzzy08]

Yes, exactly. We're slightly frontloaded compared to some academic and other jobs that cap max number of intakes per day. For the first 6 weeks while onboarding you have a slow increase from 2 clinical hours to the full 7. Then for the remainder of the first 9 months you have 5 days x 7 clinical hours per day. 6 of those hours can end up being 6 intakes although that number reduces as you start getting follow-ups scheduled blocking those slots. After 9 months you get an additional 30 min of admin time and after 18 you add another 30 min for a 6 clinical hours x 5 days schedule.

We're hiring, happy to give more details by PM.

What part of the country/city are you in?