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I hear from a lot of classmates that they "love clinic" but hate working inpatient.

And when I tell people that I am interested in inpatient rehab, specifically SCI, I tend to get a lot of funny looks.


am i the only one?


Related question: is it difficult to find a job as an inpatient physiatrist (my case SCI rehab)? (naive and broad question) But I am assuming that most rehab hospitals already have attendings that are responsible for inpt wards.

thank you.
 
I hear from a lot of classmates that they "love clinic" but hate working inpatient.

And when I tell people that I am interested in inpatient rehab, specifically SCI, I tend to get a lot of funny looks.


am i the only one?


Related question: is it difficult to find a job as an inpatient physiatrist (my case SCI rehab)? (naive and broad question) But I am assuming that most rehab hospitals already have attendings that are responsible for inpt wards.

thank you.



I am also interested in inpatient and I also get the same looks and one attending ( who does inpatient) on the interview track told me that the reason is that inpatient involves longer hours and more calls and pays less and a major reason why more people prefer outpatient is the easy lifestyle and the fact that they want to pay off their heavy student loans.

I dont think its hard to get an inpatient job. I actually think it may be easier to get than outpatient due to more demand for the latter.
 
I agree, if you are interested in inpatient, do not let the peer pressure of your out-patient colleagues get to you. I am interested in in-patient as well, and at the right place, your call is minimum and usually managed from home. I did a Sub-I on a TBI/SCI in-patient unit and the attending said he maybe had to come in on a weekend 2-4 times a year.

I got some "funny-looks" too on the interview trail when I said I was interested in TBI/SCI. I even had a chief resident at a program try and talk me out of it. He was going into "pain" and out-patient injections because he wanted a nice car and vacation time. I guess that is fine for some folks, but I like to think we go into rehab medicine for other reasons.

Stick to your guns and you will be a happier better doctor!

p.s. Please do not get the wrong idea about out-patient medicine, which I think is GREAT if that is what you end up liking. I believe that not everyone who does out-patient does it for the $$$.
 
I think quite a few people go into PM&R residencies with an outpatient mindset, however sometime during their training, they find a facet of inpatient rehab that either really sparks their interest or jives with their outpatient focus. That just seems to be something I've noticed.

As a personal thought, through various rotations, I've found myself admiring attendings the most who run inpatient units, but have awesome clinical exam skills that would easily rival any sole outpatient-practicing physiatrist.
 
And when I tell people that I am interested in inpatient rehab, specifically SCI, I tend to get a lot of funny looks.

Are you sure that its because you say you want to be an inpatient physiatrist, or is it just because YOU are saying it? :laugh:

Just playin' dude. I'm more of an outpatient kinda guy myself (hence the name) and want to own a clinic of my own while being the director for a small inpatient unit as well. I guess I dont get any looks from people around here when I say this since they're getting most of their PM&R education from me- sad state of affairs isnt it?

I'll have to put you on to any looks I get after I'm able to get through the "You're a 2nd year and you ACTUALLY know what specialty you want to do? PM and what? PM&R?? What the HELL is that???" 🙄
 
What do you mean "hence the name"...I thought it was Ms. Kallaway. At least that is what the other RIC externs were hoping this past summer...j/k. I'm also interested in SCI inpatient rehab. I only get weird looks for knowing I'm going into PM&R....not the SCI part. Sorry for the pointless post, just couldn't let MSK slide with that 😀
 
Looks like we have a little externship reunion here. What's up everyone? And that was Ms. Kalltheway.
 
Looks like we have a little externship reunion here. What's up everyone? And that was Ms. Kalltheway.



what's up guys!

I think everyone that got to work with Dr. Chen was really impressed.

Ms. Kalltheway: I think I speak for most of the group when I say we were all a littledissapointed you weren't a "Miss from maryland" 😛

ASUAZCOM: I met a friend of yours from AZCOM last week - he was the president of the neuro club before you and a OMM fellow now. Nice guy.

rxexercise: is that you A___?

good luck with everything.
 
LOL this sure would be the place to bring that up, seeing as I did get some funny looks when you all found out I was not a hot chick from Maryland!

I felt kinda bad for you all, maybe I should have turned around and made my girl take my place? 😀

The externship sure did make me rethink the inpatient side of things though...it was very enjoyable. Makes me want to fast forward to July of 4th yr so I can get back down with some more Rehab. I'm sure I'll really be hoping for it after taking Step 1 and starting off with Surgery :scared:
 
I'm feelin' a lotta RIC extern love on this thread fellas🙂

How has everyone been?

Question for you guys regarding rotations: What advice have any of you received as to good elective rotations for PM&R prep? I'm thinking Neuro or Ortho for surgical subs, and neuro for sub-I...any words of wisdom? I've heard mention of Rads & Rheum but what else?

Chicago won't be the same without you guys around this summer...but I'm sure I'll see you all again when you come to rotate at RIC 4th year🙂
 
Chicago won't be the same without you guys around this summer...but I'm sure I'll see you all again when you come to rotate at RIC 4th year🙂

If I'm able to convince the young lady to let me back out there for another month! :laugh: Everytime I mention something about away rotations out to Cali, U-Dub or RIC I get a pouty lip and "please nooooo!" Even Kessler or Philly may take some work, but I think I can get a deal going.

Like you said, Neuro(surg) and Ortho are probably among the best to do, and I also heard Rheum, Urology, EM, and Sports Med if you have the option.

Unfortunately, there are too many Id want to do in order to prep for the PM&R rotations, so I'll just have to leave some for after interviews are done. This is what my schedule is looking like, from the 2nd half of 3rd year on:

Jan--Medicine
April--FM (so many have likened PM&R to FM, so having it fresh should be good)
May--Psych
June--Neuro (my school requires this 3rd year --> we get no elective time)
July--PM&R @ Maryland
August--PM&R @ Hopkins (hoping that works)
Sept--Ortho Sub-I (why am I gonna do this to myself, its q3 omg)
Oct--PM&R out of state

After that, I'm pretty much gonna milk the 3 months we get off or use one for another elective and do Rads, Derm, Urology, maybe a Nephro sub-I (it'll give me and my dad something to talk about), a month of research (my mentor at Hopkins invited me to and I'll likely take her up on it), and a Sports Med rotation (oh yes).

You guys can probably tell I've taken a lot of time to procrastinate to think this through 🙂
 
I don't have my five year plan yet...like MSK🙂. But I am doing a sub-I in Neuro and I'm undecided about Ortho as another sub-I (taking it w/ surgery though). I'm planning to do an away at UW at the beginning of 4th year. What is all this RIC talk? Come on nweb, I thought we were all planning an exodus out west to UW 😡
 
I've heard pretty much the same thing as MSK and RX. I was looking forward to a 4th year audition rotation at RIC, but with the $1000 fee for DO students I might use my audition rotations to check out other PM&R programs. Spaulding seems appealing since I grew up in Mass. and Boston has good podiatry residency programs for my girlfriend. Does anyone know if Spaulding charges DO students for rotations? I know they charge international students.
 
I've heard pretty much the same thing as MSK and RX. I was looking forward to a 4th year audition rotation at RIC, but with the $1000 fee for DO students I might use my audition rotations to check out other PM&R programs. Spaulding seems appealing since I grew up in Mass. and Boston has good podiatry residency programs for my girlfriend. Does anyone know if Spaulding charges DO students for rotations? I know they charge international students.


Wow.

this thread has turned into a "RIC 2007 extern" party. :hardy:

Az: i think on the thread that talks about the $1000 to go to RIC, there is someone that said it's $3000 to go to spaulding. (and he/she mentions also Colorado being $2000) Not sure how true this is.

I'm Glad Msk has the 10 yr plan set up. reminds me of those conversations during the drive into downtown chicago.

I have One elective this third year and since it's so early in my schedule I'm torn between doing a Neuro (neurorehab) rotation at Rancho Los Amigos and a "kick my booty but set good fundamentals" medicine rotation.

WEB: Saw some photos of you on the internet 😀
 
My AZCOMpadre,

CCOM has agreed (officially or unofficially, not sure) to cover the $1000 for some students to rotate at Northwestern sites, which was the case for the one student from my school rotating at RIC last summer. Not sure if that would cover you, but since you're our sister campus it might be worth looking into. 3G's for rotations at Spaulding is steep!

And by the way: U. of Washington (I'm a Badger, UW means Wisco to me🙂), Utah, Stanford I'm gonna give 'em all a look...you won't be rolling solo on the West coast Rx.

Internet photos of me...I thought you had to pay to get that website!

Good luck guys, and thanks for the rotations input, it's appreciated. Now back to my cover-to-cover First Aid memorization project.
 
Oreos: I saw that post also. What makes me unsure is that I've checked Harvard's website and it says that the $3000 applies only to international students, however, the rotation policy site didn't mention DO students anywhere (or at least I missed it).

Nweb: Thanks for the info. I'll have to check up on that.
 
Oreos: I saw that post also. What makes me unsure is that I've checked Harvard's website and it says that the $3000 applies only to international students, however, the rotation policy site didn't mention DO students anywhere (or at least I missed it).

Nweb: Thanks for the info. I'll have to check up on that.


if you hear, please let me know too! $3k is waaaay too steep.

webman: u have time to check out all of those programs? i'm expecting a comprehensive review from you afterwards 😀

BTW: Any of you coming down to San Diego this Fall for the AAPM&R convention? Hope to see you there
 
I'll be there, assuming I can get time off.
 
I hear from a lot of classmates that they "love clinic" but hate working inpatient.

And when I tell people that I am interested in inpatient rehab, specifically SCI, I tend to get a lot of funny looks.


am i the only one?


Related question: is it difficult to find a job as an inpatient physiatrist (my case SCI rehab)? (naive and broad question) But I am assuming that most rehab hospitals already have attendings that are responsible for inpt wards.

thank you.

I'm an attending faculty at a large residency program doing inpatient mostly, some EMG and outpatient. Like many I went into the field kind of thinking outpatient.

I like what I do. Its difficult as a resident to see the value of inpatient... some of the more bold residents tell me 'well the therapist does the work you just watch.' That may be true for inpatient physicians who don't care or are not very good. Its a lot different when you are with a very good inpatient physiatrist who can really appreciate, understand, diagnose, and treat the things that make a difference in restoring function that all the other doctors miss.

Its also different when you get to see your patients in outpatient and follow their conditions up. I actually gave up outpatient for a short time and became a 'hospitalist physiatrist' and I noticed it made me very unhappy... Probably because I didn't get a chance to appreciate and see how much better the patients get after they leave, and I still ahve the chance to make a big difference in restoring them from home to the community.

I think the best model of practice if you choose to like inpatient is to have a variety of some outpatient and procedure (EMG, etc.). Inpatient can be somewhat boring at times. Then again, all fields in medicine can get boring.. I was once told by someone go into the field where its the 5% of unusual stuff that really excites you, and the 5% of stuff you really hate doesn't bother you that much... 90% of medicine to some degree becomes routine after a while.

The hardest part is that unlike say being a medicine hospitalist the multi-disciplinary thing also means that I lose some control of the process. All things have a trade off.

In the end go with what you like to do. I thought seriously about going into a pain fellowship after 3 years as an attending. As hard as I tried, I just didn't see myself wanting to deal with a lot of the major components of what it takes to be a *good* pain physician.

To answer your last question is it hard to find a job as an i npatient attending. I believe the answer is no. I believe its actually fairly wide open although remember as a new grad your choices are limited. Again, having good skills in outpatient and EMG etc. make you much more appealing.

Also remember a final benefit to inpatient is that directorship opportuntiies are available quite often. These do not pay as well as I understand they did in say, the 80's, but they are nice titles, pay some money, and more importantly allow you to get on the ladder to administrative and business type activities in the hospital if that is what you like to do. Its definitely not for everyone though.
 
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