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so I got rejected by all schools this year. I had good scores, I believe the reason is maybe lack of research or not enough shadowing?
I started to shadow this general practitioner/ family doctor. god, so boring.
they spend 5 minutes talking about their health and then 30 minutes talking about politics or their son's school or something....yawn.
my question is, where can i go to see some action? I cant survive this boredom.
 
so I got rejected by all schools this year. I had good scores, I believe the reason is maybe lack of research or not enough shadowing?
I started to shadow this general practitioner/ family doctor. god, so boring.
they spend 5 minutes talking about their health and then 30 minutes talking about politics or their son's school or something....yawn.
my question is, where can i go to see some action? I cant survive this boredom.

Wow, the doctor spends 35 minutes with a patient?
 
You can always shadow a different specialty. But no matter which specialty you go into there's always going to be clinical work to be done which involves taking patient history and doing a physical examination and generally talking to patients.
 
so I got rejected by all schools this year. I had good scores, I believe the reason is maybe lack of research or not enough shadowing?
I started to shadow this general practitioner/ family doctor. god, so boring.
they spend 5 minutes talking about their health and then 30 minutes talking about politics or their son's school or something....yawn.
my question is, where can i go to see some action? I cant survive this boredom.

It sounds like the reason you were rejected is because you have a bad attitude towards medicine. Seriously? Action? People don't get injured or ill for your personal entertainment.
 
A career in medicine is not an extended episode of House. Get used to it.
 
It sounds like the reason you were rejected is because you have a bad attitude towards medicine. Seriously? Action? People don't get injured or ill for your personal entertainment.

Agreed.

But maybe you'd be most interested in something procedure-based, if talking to patients is absolutely the most boring thing in the world to you.
 
Try surgery or the ICU. ER is another one as long as it's at a bigger ER.

You can always shadow a different specialty. But no matter which specialty you go into there's always going to be clinical work to be done which involves taking patient history and doing a physical examination and generally talking to patients.

Except diagnostic rads and path😛
 
How many interviews did you get?
 
so I got rejected by all schools this year. I had good scores, I believe the reason is maybe lack of research or not enough shadowing?
I started to shadow this general practitioner/ family doctor. god, so boring.
they spend 5 minutes talking about their health and then 30 minutes talking about politics or their son's school or something....yawn.
my question is, where can i go to see some action? I cant survive this boredom.

i feel ya, boring as hell
 
It sounds like the reason you were rejected is because you have a bad attitude towards medicine. Seriously? Action? People don't get injured or ill for your personal entertainment.

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How many interviews did you get?

I got 2 interviews. one at SLU. but then I heard you get mugged every day in that area. it's worse than Compton.

I got another one at a school in NY, but I dont want to pay freaking 4000 a month for rent and freaking $50 for a pizza. ( i dont know if a pizza really costs that much there, all i know is living in new york is expensive)
dont ask "then why did you apply" I really dont know.
 
It sounds like the reason you were rejected is because you have a bad attitude towards medicine. Seriously? Action? People don't get injured or ill for your personal entertainment.
Implying that the OP is a sadist who wants gore and a look of pain on the patient's face. Like juliedi said, maybe the OP just wants to see something procedural.
 
Implying that the OP is a sadist who wants gore and a look of pain on the patient's face. Like juliedi said, maybe the OP just wants to see something procedural.

I'm not trying to imply anything of the sort. OP opened the thread by stating that he/she was rejected with decent scores and didn't know why. To me, mentioning it in the first post makes it fair game. Wanting to see different aspects of medicine, or to see procedures out of curiosity is one thing. Wanting "action" so as to not be "bored" carries a little different connotation for me.
 
I got 2 interviews. one at SLU. but then I heard you get mugged every day in that area. it's worse than Compton.

I got another one at a school in NY, but I dont want to pay freaking 4000 a month for rent and freaking $50 for a pizza. ( i dont know if a pizza really costs that much there, all i know is living in new york is expensive)
dont ask "then why did you apply" I really dont know.

Rejected post interview or did you withdraw??
 
I'm not trying to imply anything of the sort. OP opened the thread by stating that he/she was rejected with decent scores and didn't know why. To me, mentioning it in the first post makes it fair game. Wanting to see different aspects of medicine, or to see procedures out of curiosity is one thing. Wanting "action" so as to not be "bored" carries a little different connotation for me.
While I agree the acceptance thing was kind of irrelevant to the thread, I think I just more readily see how one could find office visits with patients boring if I was looking for surgery/ER/ICU type experiences.
 
so I got rejected by all schools this year. I had good scores, I believe the reason is maybe lack of research or not enough shadowing?
I started to shadow this general practitioner/ family doctor. god, so boring.
they spend 5 minutes talking about their health and then 30 minutes talking about politics or their son's school or something....yawn.
my question is, where can i go to see some action? I cant survive this boredom.


Umm...I think everything is boring when you are shadowing.

Really? Have you ever been responsible for anything when shadowing the doctor?

The answer is No.

I came into med school with the same attitude that you did and I was SHOCKED at how much I liked primary care/family med when I actually was able to take history and do physical exams. You see several different things over the course of the day and often are the first to detect things such as cancer. I agree that some of the time things can be boring (helping people with diabetes for example), but you NEVER know what will walk in the door next.

The first day...no the first 2 hours I worked in a primary care clinic at medical school
1. Saw a girl who had been raped and came in for a pregnancy test/STD test
2. Helped a guy from some asian country who did not speak any english control his high blood glucose. Had to find a translator and had to explain things in very simple terms
3. Told a woman she had leiomyofibroma
4. Helped a woman who had thyroid problems.
5. Helped a guy who had just had surgery who still had chronic pain.

Often times surgeons do the same **** day after day after day. There is a clinic in Canada that ONLY surgically repairs hernias. That would be my personal HELL doing the same 3-4 procedures day after day after day.

It really all depends on what gets you excited. I know some people who would love to do the same thing day after day and be an expert in their field and only work on 1-2 different things because they are so specialized...but that is not my cup of tea.

My advice to you is to get into medical school and actually rotate through some of these fields before you make a decision like that. I never get shocked at the ignorance and arrogance of some of you pre-meds.
 
Umm...I think everything is boring when you are shadowing.

Really? Have you ever been responsible for anything when shadowing the doctor?

The answer is No.

I came into med school with the same attitude that you did and I was SHOCKED at how much I liked primary care/family med when I actually was able to take history and do physical exams. You see several different things over the course of the day and often are the first to detect things such as cancer. I agree that some of the time things can be boring (helping people with diabetes for example), but you NEVER know what will walk in the door next.

The first day...no the first 2 hours I worked in a primary care clinic at medical school
1. Saw a girl who had been raped and came in for a pregnancy test/STD test
2. Helped a guy from some asian country who did not speak any english control his high blood glucose. Had to find a translator and had to explain things in very simple terms
3. Told a woman she had leiomyofibroma
4. Helped a woman who had thyroid problems.
5. Helped a guy who had just had surgery who still had chronic pain.

Often times surgeons do the same **** day after day after day. There is a clinic in Canada that ONLY surgically repairs hernias. That would be my personal HELL doing the same 3-4 procedures day after day after day.

It really all depends on what gets you excited. I know some people who would love to do the same thing day after day and be an expert in their field and only work on 1-2 different things because they are so specialized...but that is not my cup of tea.

My advice to you is to get into medical school and actually rotate through some of these fields before you make a decision like that. I never get shocked at the ignorance and arrogance of some of you pre-meds.

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Ha, made my day.

I think you should reconsider why you are trying to pursue a career in medicine. It doesn't really sound like your heart is in it - why would you just apply to schools if you have absolutely no intention on going?
 
Umm...I think everything is boring when you are shadowing.

Really? Have you ever been responsible for anything when shadowing the doctor?

The answer is No.

I came into med school with the same attitude that you did and I was SHOCKED at how much I liked primary care/family med when I actually was able to take history and do physical exams. You see several different things over the course of the day and often are the first to detect things such as cancer. I agree that some of the time things can be boring (helping people with diabetes for example), but you NEVER know what will walk in the door next.

The first day...no the first 2 hours I worked in a primary care clinic at medical school
1. Saw a girl who had been raped and came in for a pregnancy test/STD test
2. Helped a guy from some asian country who did not speak any english control his high blood glucose. Had to find a translator and had to explain things in very simple terms
3. Told a woman she had leiomyofibroma
4. Helped a woman who had thyroid problems.
5. Helped a guy who had just had surgery who still had chronic pain.

Often times surgeons do the same **** day after day after day. There is a clinic in Canada that ONLY surgically repairs hernias. That would be my personal HELL doing the same 3-4 procedures day after day after day.

It really all depends on what gets you excited. I know some people who would love to do the same thing day after day and be an expert in their field and only work on 1-2 different things because they are so specialized...but that is not my cup of tea.

My advice to you is to get into medical school and actually rotate through some of these fields before you make a decision like that. I never get shocked at the ignorance and arrogance of some of you pre-meds.

your mdapps, as others have attested, is now diamonds. 👍
 
so I got rejected by all schools this year. I had good scores, I believe the reason is maybe lack of research or not enough shadowing?
I started to shadow this general practitioner/ family doctor. god, so boring.
they spend 5 minutes talking about their health and then 30 minutes talking about politics or their son's school or something....yawn.
my question is, where can i go to see some action? I cant survive this boredom.

Easy: shadow a general surgeon (fine, any surgeon should do). Even their clinic is fun (often includes some type of procedure).

ER is often fun for pre-meds (assuming it's a bigger hospital)... lots of procedures, fast pace, etc.
 
Umm...I think everything is boring when you are shadowing.

Really? Have you ever been responsible for anything when shadowing the doctor?

The answer is No.

I came into med school with the same attitude that you did and I was SHOCKED at how much I liked primary care/family med when I actually was able to take history and do physical exams. You see several different things over the course of the day and often are the first to detect things such as cancer. I agree that some of the time things can be boring (helping people with diabetes for example), but you NEVER know what will walk in the door next.

The first day...no the first 2 hours I worked in a primary care clinic at medical school
1. Saw a girl who had been raped and came in for a pregnancy test/STD test
2. Helped a guy from some asian country who did not speak any english control his high blood glucose. Had to find a translator and had to explain things in very simple terms
3. Told a woman she had leiomyofibroma
4. Helped a woman who had thyroid problems.
5. Helped a guy who had just had surgery who still had chronic pain.

Often times surgeons do the same **** day after day after day. There is a clinic in Canada that ONLY surgically repairs hernias. That would be my personal HELL doing the same 3-4 procedures day after day after day.

It really all depends on what gets you excited. I know some people who would love to do the same thing day after day and be an expert in their field and only work on 1-2 different things because they are so specialized...but that is not my cup of tea.

My advice to you is to get into medical school and actually rotate through some of these fields before you make a decision like that. I never get shocked at the ignorance and arrogance of some of you pre-meds.

Two things:
1) Family medicine can be an awesome specialty (if you work really hard to make it such) OR really dull (a lot of handholding of non-compliant patients, same chronic illnesses including HTN, DM, MSK pain issues). The way to make FM awesome is to work in a small town where you are the PCP AND specialist (you deliver babies, do c-sections, vasectomies, endoscopy, see patients in clinic AND the hospital, etc). Otherwise, 85% of your practice will be the same 5 types of visits (certainly NOT as exciting as what you outlined your two hours in primary care to be... that's NOT universal).

2)Regarding surgery: Most (98%+) of surgeons do NOT work at a hernia only practice. Actually, the Canadian clinic you refer to is run by family doctors, NOT surgeons. The reason they only perform one type of surgery is because that's all they're qualified to do. A more normal practice of a general surgeon could include: cholecystectomy, appendectomy, hernia repair, breast surgery, colon resection, colonoscopy/EGD, bowel obstruction release/repair, trauma surgery, burns, and the list goes on. Many of these are fairly "bread and butter." Plus, their is enough anatomic and physiologic variation that you're not exactly doing the same thing over and over again (although EVERY specialty has routine, repetitive things in their day to day practice). My vote goes to doing 5 cholecystectomies a day than counsel 5 patients about their chronic pain/uncontrolled DM/HTN/ poor lifestyle choices.

Out of curiosity, how far along in med school are you?
 
2nd year, but we have clinical work or clinical workshops 1-2x per week at various places so we see surgical patients, rehabilitation patients, family med patients, pediatrics. We are able to assist in minor procedures, do physical examinations and take patient history. I am not trying to imply that I know what spending 5-6 weeks on a rotation is like, but we have experienced many of the fields and actually done physical exams helped patients, taken history and reported back to attendings 1 on 1. I think wait CORRECTION: I know this is much different than sitting in a chair quietly while a doctor talks to a patient and then discussing after (if you have a good doc you are shadowing)...also having medical knowledge of the various diseases and disease processes helps

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Thanks friends. I took a year off between undergrad and medical school where I did LITERALLY nothing most days other than surf the web, watch TV, smoke hookah and drink beer. Occasionally I would try and get laid but besides hooking up in a "friends with benefits" situation and meeting this really old and desperate chick in a club I pretty much failed at that. Most days I found solitude in checking in on SDN and waiting for my roommate to leave for work so I could have unlimited internet bandwidth. What I am getting at is that I had a lot of time to reflect on my life and put it on mdapps

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so I got rejected by all schools this year. I had good scores, I believe the reason is maybe lack of research or not enough shadowing?
I started to shadow this general practitioner/ family doctor. god, so boring.
they spend 5 minutes talking about their health and then 30 minutes talking about politics or their son's school or something....yawn.
my question is, where can i go to see some action? I cant survive this boredom.

I know this has been mentioned, but I really do think you have your reason for omni-rejection right here. Even in a procedural field, you STILL have to spend time relating to your pts. While 30 min talking about stuff seems like a pretty long time to me, I'm definitely making conversation the whole time I do an assessment when I'm at the clinic or working in the hospital. You want your pt to be relaxed and happy while in your office. If you really find shooting the breeze with people you don't know well that boring or that much of a chore, you've probably got a very long road ahead of you.

People mentioned places like the ED and the ICU as potential places for you, but honestly, those are both high-stress environments where you're going to be dealing with patients dying on a relatively frequent basis. It is to your and the family's benefit that you build rapport with the family prior to the pt dying if at all possible. This requires taking a moment to talk with them early on and get to know them just enough that they like you. Also... I realized after posting that this almost makes it sound like a lot of your pts will die in the ICU or something and that's hopefully not the case, but because many are deteriorating and they would typically not be in the ICU if they were not at high risk, you want to have good people skills with their families. Sometimes, things go wrong when you least expect it. Sometimes, a 17-y/o girl is hemorrhaging uncontrollably and critically needs blood products but the family says "no" for religious reasons. What do you do in that case? Can you convince the family to let their 17-y/o have the blood her body so desperately needs?

Additionally, in the ED, mistakes happen and you want to have built rapport. Recently, I had a pt who was allergic to a medicine that the doc didn't catch in the chart or get told by the RN that took the pt's allergies. (She stated she gets hives and even some anaphylactic sx AFTER she was given the shot. It turns out another RN got the allergies list and it was a different RN that administered the drug.) I sat there for about 20 min with this girl (I took an extra long time doing my job) making conversation and getting her to relax as well as being present in case something did happen to reduce the risk of our hospital getting sued. That probably would have p*ssed my coworkers off had we been any busier, but the multimillion dollar lawsuit we'd be in the middle of if she died from a known drug allergy was simply not worth the risk. If that kind of sacrifice seems boring or not doable to you, you may find working in healthcare quite undesirable. You want to have rapport with your pts and that rapport comes from those "shooting the breeze" conversations. You have to remember at all times that what you're working on is another human being, not a 180-lb sack of fluid with smaller pouches of fluid contained within it.



Umm...I think everything is boring when you are shadowing.

Really? Have you ever been responsible for anything when shadowing the doctor?

The answer is No.

Generally true, but since you asked "have you ever?" I'm going to have to answer "Yes!" I've had a doc ask me to do her lab orders for her and act as her first assist in a minor surgery and I had another doc ask me to prep and summarize pt histories for her before she saw each pt. These were both docs I'd worked w/, however, and that knew my background. Generally, I agree, but there are always exceptions.
 
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This is why you shadow. You may not find out what you like, but sometimes you find out what you don't like. I enjoyed pediatrics, and plastic surgery, but not ED. Have an outpatient ENT lined up this summer. Pick up the telephone or just start showing up places with your CV and a copy of your transcript. Dress nice and be professional.
 
This is why you shadow. You may not find out what you like, but sometimes you find out what you don't like. I enjoyed pediatrics, and plastic surgery, but not ED. Have an outpatient ENT lined up this summer. Pick up the telephone or just start showing up places with your CV and a copy of your transcript. Dress nice and be professional.

Please don't do this. We'll laugh at you. And we'll tell you to go away and not come back. Make an appointment. We had a med student actually do this once to one of our medical directors. She was from some med school in the southeastern U.S. that allows their students to set up their own MS3 rotations (presumably as long as they fulfill the proper fields and the hospitals are on par). Well, she apparently got this MD's phone # and called him to ask to rotate with him. He said, "Sure, when?" She was like, "How about tomorrow? I'm on my way right now." He graciously allowed her. It was a disaster. She was thoroughly underprepared and the school obviously hadn't done a good job supporting its students. The medical director notified the hospital's director of clinical training (who it turns out had not even been aware of the girl's presence in the hospital, meaning she never went through proper channels but somehow got the medical director's cell # from somewhere else) and that school's students have been permanently blacklisted from ever rotating at that hospital again. So yeah, don't be that guy. Go through proper channels unless you actually have connections.
 
Thanks friends. I took a year off between undergrad and medical school where I did LITERALLY nothing most days other than surf the web, watch TV, smoke hookah and drink beer. Occasionally I would try and get laid but besides hooking up in a "friends with benefits" situation and meeting this really old and desperate chick in a club I pretty much failed at that. Most days I found solitude in checking in on SDN and waiting for my roommate to leave for work so I could have unlimited internet bandwidth. What I am getting at is that I had a lot of time to reflect on my life and put it on mdapps


Holy S*** this is EXACTLY what I am doing right now. My goal is 2 chicks at the same time, but I would need a million dollars because there is no way 2 chicks would double up on a dude like me.
 
Wow, the doctor spends 35 minutes with a patient?

This made me lol.:laugh:

You can always shadow a different specialty. But no matter which specialty you go into there's always going to be clinical work to be done which involves taking patient history and doing a physical examination and generally talking to patients.
Except diagnostic rads and path😛

No lie, I worked for a while with a radiology resident in the Army, who was changing fields from pathology. I asked him once why he would put himself through residency again, and his answer was, "I got bored in path; none of patients ever talked back to me."

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Holy S*** this is EXACTLY what I am doing right now. My goal is 2 chicks at the same time, but I would need a million dollars because there is no way 2 chicks would double up on a dude like me.

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You have to remember at all times that what you're working on is another human being, not a 180-lb sack of fluid with smaller pouches of fluid contained within it.

The difference being..?
 
The difference being..?

Apparently not much.

They both spray quite a bit when punctured and they both eventually go limp once a certain percentage of their contents are lost.
 
Apparently not much.

They both spray quite a bit when punctured and they both eventually go limp once a certain percentage of their contents are lost.

What a d**k.
 
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I was seriously laughing out loud. So good!

But yeah, it was pretty boring shadowing a lot of the time. Especially well child checks...you see one, you see 'em all. But one cool part of primary care peds was that you really do see a little of everything. I saw allergies, ear aches, croup, stitches removal, circumcisions, asthma, dwarfism, CF, etc, and all sorts of different types of parents and various socioeconomic situations. The thing about primary care is that you can get really close to your patients, be their first line of defense and trusted confidant. I really like that, even though it was boring watching the day to day stuff sometimes. I think if it was ME doing the exams and whatnot, though, it would have been much more intriguing than just silently watching. I loved shadowing, though, in general. Best part of this process imo.
 
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Shadow an emergency medicine doctor or a trauma surgeon.
 
Please don't do this. We'll laugh at you. And we'll tell you to go away and not come back. Make an appointment. We had a med student actually do this once to one of our medical directors. She was from some med school in the southeastern U.S. that allows their students to set up their own MS3 rotations (presumably as long as they fulfill the proper fields and the hospitals are on par). Well, she apparently got this MD's phone # and called him to ask to rotate with him. He said, "Sure, when?" She was like, "How about tomorrow? I'm on my way right now." He graciously allowed her. It was a disaster. She was thoroughly underprepared and the school obviously hadn't done a good job supporting its students. The medical director notified the hospital's director of clinical training (who it turns out had not even been aware of the girl's presence in the hospital, meaning she never went through proper channels but somehow got the medical director's cell # from somewhere else) and that school's students have been permanently blacklisted from ever rotating at that hospital again. So yeah, don't be that guy. Go through proper channels unless you actually have connections.

I think your taking this thread and my comments out of context. We're talking about finding opportunities for pre-meds to shadow, not MS3 rotations. As you know, that is an entirely different process. My point is that if you just start sending letters to Doc's, and expect them to get back to you, then you'll probably never shadow anyone. Many of my friends, and myself, have had success showing up at an outpatient clinic, in person, and dropping off our CV and transcripts. I wasn't suggesting you show up ready to go, or put pressure on a doc to do so. Sometimes it's good for them to see you in person and know your sincere and serious. Many times the docs are busy and your just dropping them off with a assistant. Then you can set up a later appointment to talk more. However, an assistant can usually tell you whether or not the doc usually lets people shadow. Based on my results, I see nothing wrong with this.
 
I think your taking this thread and my comments out of context. We're talking about finding opportunities for pre-meds to shadow, not MS3 rotations. As you know, that is an entirely different process. My point is that if you just start sending letters to Doc's, and expect them to get back to you, then you'll probably never shadow anyone. Many of my friends, and myself, have had success showing up at an outpatient clinic, in person, and dropping off our CV and transcripts. I wasn't suggesting you show up ready to go, or put pressure on a doc to do so. Sometimes it's good for them to see you in person and know your sincere and serious. Many times the docs are busy and your just dropping them off with a assistant. Then you can set up a later appointment to talk more. However, an assistant can usually tell you whether or not the doc usually lets people shadow. Based on my results, I see nothing wrong with this.


I agree it is different; however, if you showed up in the ED one day and I was the triage tech and handed me your CV and asked for Dr. so-and-so because you wanted to shadow, I'd ask if he is aware you're planning to shadow him today. When you answered, "No," I'd simply tell you that we are busy in the ED and that while I would be happy to give the doc your information and let him know you are interested in shadowing at a later date, I cannot guarantee anything. Then, assuming you seemed all ready to go shadow right then and there (which was kind of how the previous post sounded) the triage nurse and I would probably laugh after you left. How you presented yourself at the triage window would probably help determine whether we took you seriously and how we presented your request to the doc as well.

Your best bet for shadowing is to ask a physician while he is treating you or while shadowing one of his colleagues. Another good time is at a networking event. Finally, if you work in a clinical setting, these are your absolute best opportunities. I really can't see a doc turning down a tech (assuming s/he likes that tech) when asked to shadow.

Should you decide to walk in and ask, at least do it at a less-busy time. For the ED, try around 2pm or about 4am (both tend to be slow times in the EDs I've worked in, although you really never know when things will suddenly explode).
 
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I agree it is different; however, if you showed up in the ED one day and I was the triage tech and handed me your CV and asked for Dr. so-and-so because you wanted to shadow, I'd ask if he is aware you're planning to shadow him today. When you answered, "No," I'd simply tell you that we are busy in the ED and that while I would be happy to give the doc your information and let him know you are interested in shadowing at a later date, I cannot guarantee anything. Then, assuming you seemed all ready to go shadow right then and there (which was kind of how the previous post sounded) the triage nurse and I would probably laugh after you left. How you presented yourself at the triage window would probably help determine whether we took you seriously and how we presented your request to the doc as well.

Your best bet for shadowing is to ask a physician while he is treating you or while shadowing one of his colleagues. Another good time is at a networking event. Finally, if you work in a clinical setting, these are your absolute best opportunities. I really can't see a doc turning down a tech (assuming s/he likes that tech) when asked to shadow.

Gotcha, and certainly inpatient is different than outpatient. I was really referring to the latter. Hospitals usually have proper channels to go through, but if you want to shadow an outpatient doc in PP then knocking on doors can prove successful.
 
I was fortunate with my shadowing experiences as a premed in that everyone knew me at the hospital, so I got to DO stuff a lot and they let me wander around and follow patients from the ED to the OR to the ICU.

Nearly every specialty is boring to watch until you gain a base level of knowledge. One of the things that makes surgery so appealing early on is that it is easier to say, "That is really cool!" when you are watching them do something. Watching people think isn't nearly as exciting. As you progress, you also begin to notice the small details that separate good docs from bad docs.

One of my preceptors was in the same kind of deal where he spent a lot of time talking about random things with the patient and it seemed like he wasn't doing anything, except he was simultaneously doing most of the physical, checking meds, etc. We'd walk out and he'd ask me, "Did you see that dark spot on his arm? I'm a little worried about it. That wasn't there before." (When before was 5 months ago)

The way our system is built, many premeds and med students scoff at primary care, but a great PCP is worth a ton and is hard to come by. There is tremendous flexibility in their job with as much or as little as one wants to do. In one day with my preceptor I did compressions on two people in the ED, ran stress tests, discussed hospice with a patient, froze warts off, spoke German (in rural Florida that isn't too common), stapled laceration, debrided a little old lady's arm and met a dozen really nice people with a variety of bread and butter problems, as well as a couple of really difficult people.

Is it what I want to do? Not really, but if I wound up in it I also would be perfectly content with my life and able to get a variety of things to keep me interested. Yes, if you are stuck behind someone who strictly keeps it 8 to 5 with HTN, DM and the sniffles, then you're going to be bored. As one gets older, that predictability is not necessarily a bad thing though.
 
I was fortunate with my shadowing experiences as a premed in that everyone knew me at the hospital, so I got to DO stuff a lot and they let me wander around and follow patients from the ED to the OR to the ICU.

Nearly every specialty is boring to watch until you gain a base level of knowledge. One of the things that makes surgery so appealing early on is that it is easier to say, "That is really cool!" when you are watching them do something. Watching people think isn't nearly as exciting. As you progress, you also begin to notice the small details that separate good docs from bad docs.

One of my preceptors was in the same kind of deal where he spent a lot of time talking about random things with the patient and it seemed like he wasn't doing anything, except he was simultaneously doing most of the physical, checking meds, etc. We'd walk out and he'd ask me, "Did you see that dark spot on his arm? I'm a little worried about it. That wasn't there before." (When before was 5 months ago)

The way our system is built, many premeds and med students scoff at primary care, but a great PCP is worth a ton and is hard to come by. There is tremendous flexibility in their job with as much or as little as one wants to do. In one day with my preceptor I did compressions on two people in the ED, ran stress tests, discussed hospice with a patient, froze warts off, spoke German (in rural Florida that isn't too common), stapled laceration, debrided a little old lady's arm and met a dozen really nice people with a variety of bread and butter problems, as well as a couple of really difficult people.

Is it what I want to do? Not really, but if I wound up in it I also would be perfectly content with my life and able to get a variety of things to keep me interested. Yes, if you are stuck behind someone who strictly keeps it 8 to 5 with HTN, DM and the sniffles, then you're going to be bored. As one gets older, that predictability is not necessarily a bad thing though.

This.

This is actually part of what makes me really interested in EM is the primary care aspect. (I enjoy the adrenaline rush of the ED too much to be in primary care, though, and I like working as part of a large, interdisciplinary team. I also have the psych background ED docs quickly find out they need when dealing with all the SI/HI/SA/HA/etOH/Meth/MDD/Scizo/BPD pts we get day in and day out.)

I think the variety of cases you see in primary care fields (as well as some other fields such as EM) is one of the huge pluses. PCPs also have the advantage of working with a generally more calm/less stressed population. They are much less likely to have as many stressed, critically injured, dying, etc. pts. Instead, they get many of the regular follow-ups, check-ups, etc. I would think that would often make for a somewhat more laid-back feel. Of course, they have to be great at recognizing a serious problem when they see one and have to maintain an enormous breadth of knowledge.
 
I'm not trying to imply anything of the sort. OP opened the thread by stating that he/she was rejected with decent scores and didn't know why. To me, mentioning it in the first post makes it fair game. Wanting to see different aspects of medicine, or to see procedures out of curiosity is one thing. Wanting "action" so as to not be "bored" carries a little different connotation for me.
I think you're reading into it way too much. I went into surgery so that I could see some action and not die of boredom in clinic as I managed someone's low back pain and elevated cholesterol. I'm not inflicting pain on my patients for pleasure. I'm curing their disease.
 
I think you're reading into it way too much. I went into surgery so that I could see some action and not die of boredom in clinic as I managed someone's low back pain and elevated cholesterol. I'm not inflicting pain on my patients for pleasure. I'm curing their disease.

It's definitely possible that I'm reading into it too much. I'm not going to pretend that I never read things incorrectly. There was just something about the OP that threw me off.
 
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