Getting certified by the ABPN & PGY-1/2 schedule

[JamesPhilly]

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Wow, it really didn't take long for me to get over my head with this residency thing!

In the hopes of inc responses, I will put my questions first followed by my story

Questions:
1) Can a DO get certified by the American Board of Psychiatrists and Neurologists (ABPN)?
2) and if so, is there any advantage with also/instead of getting certified by the osteopathic version, the ABOPN? Am I forced to do both, or can i do just one?
3) Does anyone have experience with the ABOPN? They don't return my emails.
4) As I am not going to an osteopathic residency or internship, am I even eligible for the ABOPN? (their website would seem to say 'no')
5) For you DOs out there, did you have a different intern schedule than your MD colleagues? Did you have to do more or less C&L, psych inpt, etc?

I am a psych DO PGY1. I was given my schedule and was told by my program that, as I am a DO, I need to have 2 months of neurology in my first year, more C&L my 2nd year which means less emergency psych and inpt psych. The thing is, I much prefer inpt/emergency psych to neuro and C&L. But, I'm told that's what the ABOPN mandates

When i look it up, it seems like since im in an ACGME residency, i can get certified by the ABPN (I think). But I don't think I meet the ABOPN's requirements as I am not going to a residency that has been OKed by the American Osteo Ass. I will try to make this a link to their requirements

I did find some interesting difference b/w the ABOPN vs ABPN
Time to re-certify= 10 vs 7 years
The ABOPN still has the clinical and oral testing that used to be part 2 in the ABPN testing, but now has been eliminated (right?)

Thanks in advance for your help

 

[MacDonaldTriad]

DO s can certify with the ABPN if they go to an ACGME accredited training program. The requirements are the same for a DO as they are for an MD in all ACGME programs. DO accredited training time does not count towards ACGME training (and visa versa I think) at all. You really have to get going one way or the other and stick to it.

The NBPN boards no longer have an oral examination, and yes recertification is every 10 years. Don't worry, the recert pass rate is very kind and is mostly clinical without much neuro.

 

[JamesPhilly]

DO s can certify with the ABPN if they go to an ACGME accredited training program. The requirements are the same for a DO as they are for an MD in all ACGME programs. DO accredited training time does not count towards ACGME training (and visa versa I think) at all. You really have to get going one way or the other and stick to it.

The NBPN boards no longer have an oral examination, and yes recertification is every 10 years. Don’t worry, the recert pass rate is very kind and is mostly clinical without much neuro.

Cool, thanks for the info! So Hopefully I can talk my program out of the changes.

Also, I do think that the ABPN requires recert every 7 years. I was referring to the osteopathic group that only requires recert every 10 years. Can someone verify this?

 

[PistolPete]

I'm a DO in ACGME psych residency, and all of my rotations are the same as those of my MD colleagues. I will be getting my license through COMLEX exams (even though I took USMLE Steps1 and 2CK, but no USMLE 2CS or 3) and plan to get board certified by ABPN. This is the gold standard in psychiatry, no reason to go through ABPON in my opinion unless you have to (gone thru DO psych residency).

 

[JamesPhilly]

I'm a DO in ACGME psych residency, and all of my rotations are the same as those of my MD colleagues. I will be getting my license through COMLEX exams (even though I took USMLE Steps1 and 2CK, but no USMLE 2CS or 3) and plan to get board certified by ABPN. This is the gold standard in psychiatry, no reason to go through ABPON in my opinion unless you have to (gone thru DO psych residency).

great, thank you for responding. i would be curious if anyone else has any experience

 

[peppy]

I'm a DO in an ACGME program. I took COMLEX. I did the same rotations as everyone else.

Unless you have an unusual situation such as trying to apply for Resolution 42 (Is that even applicable anymore?), I'm not really sure why you would need to take different rotations than the others. Perhaps your program just is not used to having DOs?

 

[st2205]

I'm a DO in an ACGME program. I took COMLEX. I did the same rotations as everyone else.

Unless you have an unusual situation such as trying to apply for Resolution 42 (Is that even applicable anymore?), I'm not really sure why you would need to take different rotations than the others. Perhaps your program just is not used to having DOs?

The only place I saw this was OU-Tulsa where, despite resolution 42 accepting the standard ACGME psych PGY1, the state board still required all the rotations from a TRI to apply for licensure.

 

[JamesPhilly]

Unless you have an unusual situation such as trying to apply for Resolution 42 (Is that even applicable anymore?), I'm not really sure why you would need to take different rotations than the others. Perhaps your program just is not used to having DOs?

Resolution 42 still exists to include in my state (PA), but I have never heard of an applicant being turned down because their schedule. Then again, i really have no knowledge on the subject at all!

With all of your helpful comments, I can now approach my program with some confidence that my schedule need not be different. My program isn't crawling with DOs, however there are about 1 or 2 taken every other year. So, it's not like im their first

Thanks again everyone