Good App+Late App= Failure

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I've asked questions more specifically about myself before but I was wondering in general, has anyone applied with a good app really late and had very little success/ do you know of any of these stories? Even better, did you or the person you know reapply early with success? Any info or suggestions would be super helpful.
 
I've asked questions more specifically about myself before but I was wondering in general, has anyone applied with a good app really late and had very little success/ do you know of any of these stories? Even better, did you or the person you know reapply early with success? Any info or suggestions would be super helpful.

I did. A lot of people involved with admissions (on and off SDN) have told me I should have gotten in with my app. I think my biggest mistake was being complete in late September/early Oct at most schools. It happens and I think it happens often.

Full disclosure: 3.8/34, strong research background, good ECs on my first round. Second round I applied early with the same app for the most part and got in.
 
I applied on Aug 28th. Complete Oct 18th. Secondaries complete in December.

1 interview at my reach/dream/top choice.

...it ain't over until the fat lady sings.
 
I applied on Aug 28th. Complete Oct 18th. Secondaries complete in December.

1 interview at my reach/dream/top choice.

...it ain't over until the fat lady sings.
I hope this goes well for you. As a strategy, however, I can't recommend it.
 
I hope this goes well for you. As a strategy, however, I can't recommend it.

Oh yeah, I totally agree with you. If I could do it over again I'd apply earlier for sure. I know it was bad timing and I know I probably didn't get interviews solely because of my timing, but there's nothing I can do about it now.

If I get into my top choice - I guess the universe forgives me!
 
Applied late with a 3.9/36, good ECs. 1 interview. 0 acceptances.

Applied early with the same application. 8 interviews. 4 acceptances.

If you don't mind me asking, when do you say its "early" and when do you say its "late" ?

the reason why I am asking this is because I'm planning to write the MCAT May 31st ... wondering if that would be late
 
If you don't mind me asking, when do you say its "early" and when do you say its "late" ?

the reason why I am asking this is because I'm planning to write the MCAT May 31st ... wondering if that would be late

That's not late at all. In fact, your primary application will probably barely be verified by the time you get your MCAT score back (remember, you can submit your application without an MCAT score if you indicate your test date). Try to submit your primary within the first week possible. Aim to have secondaries submitted by the end of August and you should be in fine shape.
 
If you don't mind me asking, when do you say its "early" and when do you say its "late" ?

the reason why I am asking this is because I'm planning to write the MCAT May 31st ... wondering if that would be late

That's not late.

I submitted my primary the first go-around around when you'll get your MCAT back, but I submitted the secondaries like 2+ months after getting them back. *facepalm*

This time, I submitted day 1 AMCAS was open and replied to the secondaries day 1 or 2 after getting them. I think prompt secondaries are more important than an exceedingly early primary.
 
That's not late at all. In fact, your primary application will probably barely be verified by the time you get your MCAT score back (remember, you can submit your application without an MCAT score if you indicate your test date). Try to submit your primary within the first week possible. Aim to have secondaries submitted by the end of August and you should be in fine shape.

thanks a lot !! I really appreciate it......
 
That's not late.

I submitted my primary the first go-around around when you'll get your MCAT back, but I submitted the secondaries like 2+ months after getting them back. *facepalm*

This time, I submitted day 1 AMCAS was open and replied to the secondaries day 1 or 2 after getting them. I think prompt secondaries are more important than an exceedingly early primary.

How did you manage to finish all the secondaries in 1-2 days?? :O I thought secondaries do take a very long time to finish
 
Look in the old school threads. You can pre-write the secondaries.

Last question! Assuming you submit the primaries within the first week of June 4th, how long does it take from then until you receive the secondaries? (assuming you take the MCAT may 31st)
 
Last question! Assuming you submit the primaries within the first week of June 4th, how long does it take from then until you receive the secondaries? (assuming you take the MCAT may 31st)

The sucky part about not applying day 1 is that the secondaries trickle in. I got my first one back probably 3 weeks after my primary went out and the rest came slowly but steadily after that.
 
The sucky part about not applying day 1 is that the secondaries trickle in. I got my first one back probably 3 weeks after my primary went out and the rest came slowly but steadily after that.

I see..... so If I write my MCAT May 31st, submit my primaries when applications open, I have 3 weeks free time to work on my secondaries...

How long did it take for you to do each secondary?
 
I see..... so If I write my MCAT May 31st, submit my primaries when applications open, I have 3 weeks free time to work on my secondaries...

How long did it take for you to do each secondary?

There might be some confounding as my entire app was submitted at the end of June as opposed to submitting the majority of yours early June, only pending your MCAT.

It took me about 4 hours per secondary.
 
There might be some confounding as my entire app was submitted at the end of June as opposed to submitting the majority of yours early June, only pending your MCAT.

It took me about 4 hours per secondary.

oh I thought secondaries take a lot of time....

I guess 3 weeks after my MCAT is enough time for me to do secondaries for 6-7 schools
 
oh I thought secondaries take a lot of time....

I guess 3 weeks after my MCAT is enough time for me to do secondaries for 6-7 schools

1. Apply to more than 7 schools unless your current practice MCATs are 40+
2. Whatever the circumstances, reply to secondaries in the first day or 2. Call in sick to work. Cancel plans. It's the most time sensitive step.
 
oh I thought secondaries take a lot of time....

I guess 3 weeks after my MCAT is enough time for me to do secondaries for 6-7 schools

The amount of time your secondaries will take you is highly variable. Personally, each of mine took several hours. I had at least one person proofread every single essay (at least two people if it was a 'new' essay topic). Since I was working full time I could only work on them evenings and weekends. I tried to turn all my secondaries in within two weeks, but scraped up to three weeks on some. It didn't seem to effect whether or not I got interviews at the schools. I think turning them around within 1-2 weeks is a good target timeline.

Secondaries also get faster as you go along because many of the questions are repetitive. Once you have solid essays in a number of categories (ie, diversity essay, challenge essay, what-you-did-for-the-last-year essay) you can repurpose previous secondaries for the latest applications. It's a good idea to prewrite a few of the most common essays.

6-7 schools is on the very low side. You should apply to 12-15 at minimum depending on your state of residence and competitiveness overall.
 
2. Whatever the circumstances, reply to secondaries in the first day or 2. Call in sick to work. Cancel plans. It's the most time sensitive step.

Secondaries also get faster as you go along because many of the questions are repetitive. Once you have solid essays in a number of categories (ie, diversity essay, challenge essay, what-you-did-for-the-last-year essay) you can repurpose previous secondaries for the latest applications. It's a good idea to prewrite a few of the most common essays.

If you get your primary and secondaries in ASAP how early do you start getting IIs?
 
Related question: I applied late this season and didn't get in so I'll be reapplying day 1 next cycle. Is my "reapplicant" status going to hurt me the second time around. Was I better off not having applied at all the first time? I feel like I made a mistake applying the first time but I just wanted to try.
 
Related question: I applied late this season and didn't get in so I'll be reapplying day 1 next cycle. Is my "reapplicant" status going to hurt me the second time around. Was I better off not having applied at all the first time? I feel like I made a mistake applying the first time but I just wanted to try.

As long as you apply to some schools that you hadn't applied to previously and you'll be fine.
 
Related question: I applied late this season and didn't get in so I'll be reapplying day 1 next cycle. Is my "reapplicant" status going to hurt me the second time around. Was I better off not having applied at all the first time? I feel like I made a mistake applying the first time but I just wanted to try.

We're in the same boat. I had a good app and applied late so lots of rejections and small pools so far. Everything I've heard says reapply to places you really like/ have a decent chance at and apply to a bunch of new schools
 
Related question: I applied late this season and didn't get in so I'll be reapplying day 1 next cycle. Is my "reapplicant" status going to hurt me the second time around. Was I better off not having applied at all the first time? I feel like I made a mistake applying the first time but I just wanted to try.

It doesn't help, but it won't be a significant hindrance as long as everything else is in order.
 
Related question: I applied late this season and didn't get in so I'll be reapplying day 1 next cycle. Is my "reapplicant" status going to hurt me the second time around. Was I better off not having applied at all the first time? I feel like I made a mistake applying the first time but I just wanted to try.

They will see the reapplicant status and I think @LizzyM has said before that they will look at your app and if it's good they'll wonder why you didn't get in last cycle. She also said one of the first things they look at is seeing how you fixed your app since your previous app cycle and what you been doing since the previous app cycle started.
 
Everything on this thread is solid gold. @Rik1111 and @SN12357 are ON POINT.
The amount of time your secondaries will take you is highly variable. Personally, each of mine took several hours. I had at least one person proofread every single essay (at least two people if it was a 'new' essay topic). Since I was working full time I could only work on them evenings and weekends. I tried to turn all my secondaries in within two weeks, but scraped up to three weeks on some. It didn't seem to effect whether or not I got interviews at the schools. I think turning them around within 1-2 weeks is a good target timeline.

Secondaries also get faster as you go along because many of the questions are repetitive. Once you have solid essays in a number of categories (ie, diversity essay, challenge essay, what-you-did-for-the-last-year essay) you can repurpose previous secondaries for the latest applications. It's a good idea to prewrite a few of the most common essays.

6-7 schools is on the very low side. You should apply to 12-15 at minimum depending on your state of residence and competitiveness overall.

1. Apply to more than 7 schools unless your current practice MCATs are 40+
2. Whatever the circumstances, reply to secondaries in the first day or 2. Call in sick to work. Cancel plans. It's the most time sensitive step.
 
Just to chime in for those who might worry because their committee letters are generally sent out on the later side of the timeline, there are stellar applicants who forego the committee letter for various reasons (@Narmerguy) but most people who qualify for one don't -- and probably shouldn't without good reason -- and do fine as well. Mine came in late August and from conversations with other applicants from my school, the earliest letters seem to have been sent out in early/mid August. As most of my friends can tell you, I was definitely not happy about this "delay" since my secondaries had been submitted by mid/late July and this was the last component to a complete application pretty much everywhere.

However, since then, I've gained a bit of perspective. @LizzyM has mentioned that some prestigious school(s?) in the south also does(do?) this, and from the few threads that cropped up last summer, it seems this isn't *too* uncommon of a practice among a number of schools to put one at a severe disadvantage. Some schools such as UMichigan will even consider your application without even a secondary let alone your letters, and while these schools are few and far between, interview invites will come, just not necessarily during the very first wave of invitations.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you have a committee that doesn't get their letters out until August/September, don't freak out just yet. As long as you complete the rest of your application (MCAT, primaries and secondaries) before your letter arrives, you won't be so far behind as to be at a disadvantage. From my understanding, committee letters generally do a great job bringing a cohesive narrative to your academic career and individual recommendations and are worth the wait. I guess this call to remain calm also applies to non-letter-waiting applicants as well to some degree: mid/late August is certainly not too late, so don't think you definitely must have everything done by the second week of July. Of course, if possible, earlier is better, but don't rush your secondaries. They do in fact matter and can make a difference.

In any case, best of luck to this year's applicants gearing up for their cycles!
 
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