Good GPR programs in New York

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I would really appreciate it if anyone knows any good GPR programs and is willing to share the info. Thank you!

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[Drill Doc]

I can tell you some bad ones...

 

[NileBDS]

I can tell you some bad ones...

Let's hear what you've got !

 

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[NileBDS]

It really depends on what you're looking for (believe it or not, even in New York!).

From what I heard (based on no evidence what so ever):

Montefiore Medical Center have a great GPR program with special emphasis on implants and implant prosthodontics (which to me, makes very little sense, since they already have both OMFS and pros residents).

Cornell. One of my instructors, previously on staff at Cornell, says very good things about their dental section. He recommended the GPR program to me, based on his experience over there. He praised it to be a very thorough and competitive program, with emphasis on treatment planning of medically complex patients and those with special needs.

Columbia GPR residents, alongside Cornell, work out of New York Presbyterian Hosiptal, one of the nations premier hospitals. Again, I heard this program is more geared for OS, and you get a lot of surgery experience and exposure. Some went as far as saying it is a stepping stone for their OMFS program, but take it for what it's worth.

Mount Sinai are also said to have a good GPR.

 

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Thank you NileBDS

 

[gryffindor]

LOL, I have heard bad things about each of those GPRs NileBDS posted. Such as:
Montefiore - see 3 - 4 patients a day, too many residents
Columbia - too much OMS
Cornell - too much medicine/cancer
Mt. Sinai - this is my former GPR and I could give you a list of pros and cons, but I have no idea how they are running the show these days (hopefully it is better).

 

[NileBDS]

Thank you NileBDS

No problem ! Please share your experiences (where you plan to apply and your then experience) as we go along. Also please feel free to contribute to our barely new AEGD/GPR 2007 sticky at the top of the residents threads.

Good Luck !

 

[NileBDS]

LOL, I have heard bad things about each of those GPRs NileBDS posted. Such as:
Montefiore - see 3 - 4 patients a day, too many residents
Columbia - too much OMS
Cornell - too much medicine/cancer
Mt. Sinai - this is my former GPR and I could give you a list of pros and cons, but I have no idea how they are running the show these days (hopefully it is better).

Wow. Well, I would believe you, not me. As I stated above, most of my post was based on feedback from interviewees, relatives of graduates and the such. None were actual residents of anyof the programs. Your input adds a needed balance to this discussion.
Actually now that you mention it, the guy that recommended Cornell is a Max Fac Prosthodontist at my school, so it would make sense for him to be involved in cancer and trauma.

For everyone else checking out this thread; the best GPR is the best to full fulfill your expectations/needs. There are no silver bullet or all-in-one GPR's. Someone interested in surgery would call Columbia's GPR a Godsend. Others looking to just ski through their GPR's may decide to go to less demanding or lax program and LOVE it !
WHAT DO YOU WANT ? That's really the GPR you should be looking for. Whether it's rotary endo, wizzies, trauma, implants ... what have you. Unfortunately, you will not find them all under one roof ! Be realistic with yourself about your expectations. This is supposed to be the first year of your 30 something (God willing) career. YOU WILL NOT LEARN EVERYTHING. No GPR has what meets the eye.

Again, thanks gryffindor for your input, and please feel free to add your Mt. Sinai experience here (good or bad). What other NY programs (if any) would you recommend ?

 

[ItsGavinC]

I think that the Stony Brook GPR residents are a fairly happy bunch. I'd say they aren't overworked, but there certainly seem to be opportunities for tougher cases if they wish to pursue them. I don't have many specifics, but I work with them throughout the week and haven't heard too many complaints. They are a large group though (12+ if I recall).

 

[frayedhaven]

Columbia GPR is WORST OF ALL NYC GPRs...
I heard you are OS's Bitxx

 

[frayedhaven]

Columbia GPR is WORST OF ALL NYC GPRs...
I heard you are OS's Bitxx

My friend did his GPR at Columbia and this is what he told me,

-GPR takes most of weekend calls. - with 2 to 3 GPRs, GPR does most (80%) of weekend calls. I heard this GPR guys confronted OS director about this and he just got yelled at for 20 minutes and got kick out his office.

-You can't schedule your own patient on-call day, since you are on-call every 3rd to 4th day, OS require you to do all their work such as taking care of OS inpatients, transport, work at their clinic -such as consultation, pour up models, NO EXO!.

-Vacation are taken on your outside rotation time so it won't affect OS on-call schedule.
OS will RECOMMEND you taking vacation during your anesthesia month.

-All you see is really sick patients or crazy ones that NO ONE in the dental school want to see --> mostly SC/RP or denture or routine dental exam.--> my friend told me he did maybe 3 RCT / few fillings / a lot of SC/RP --> all extractions HAVE to be referred to OS.

-Few yrs ago, they put this GPR on-call on his own graduation day so when he could not show up because he was seeing a patient in ER, OS faculty yelled at him for not showing up on his own graduation.

- Beginning of the year, for those interested OS, OS will make it sound like they would let GPRs get involved a lot but that's how they make sure GPRs work hard for them and heard they won't even write a good letter for them since they don't want other OS prorgams to know their GPRs take more calls than OS residents.

Best is this, he told me this GPR guy was seeing his own patient on his non-call day, OS paged him saying that he need to bring SCALERS to OR right away, so he stopped the procedure, sent the patient home. When he went the OR and OS was doing routine extraction case on one of OS faculty's private patient. They told him he need to scale the patient. There was 1st OS resident in the OR who just graduated from dental school but it just have to be GPR...cool huh?

HE told me to stay Fxxx away from Columbia and I am definitely staying away!

BUT He told me the Director of GPR is the niceset man alive ..and OS abuse this

 

[gryffindor]

What other NY programs (if any) would you recommend ?

I recommend looking into some of the following:
Bronx VA: they are affiliated with Mt. Sinai so they participate in some of the lectures and can apply for the housing, but their GPR experience was different from ours, such as more opportunities for restorative cases & restoring implants since the VA pays for treatment on certain veterans
Long Island College Hospital (in Brooklyn): my classmates who did this program got some good experiences here.
North Shore (Long Island): I have heard they get a lot of restorative experience here.

The thing about NYC GPRs that I would be aware of is if they serve a very high Medicaid population, then there is very little opportunity to be doing endo, crown & bridge, and implants etc. since those procedures are not covered under Medicaid. The hospital may have other patient populations where you will have a chance to treatment plan and practice more than just fillings, dentures, and extractions, but ask the residents what kinds of patients they see and what kinds of procedures they do.

As cool and educational as it is to get lots of oral medicine experience, it gets old after a while. Ask the residents carefully what their on call and non-clinic duties entail, because there are programs where you end up being the OMS scut workers similar to the previous post about Columbia. We used to do a lot of scary scut not even remotely related to dentistry and only marginally applicable to OMS when I was at Mt. Sinai, but that changed for the better after a few months of being there when some of the faculty responsible for the insanity left for a different hospital.