Good o-chem textbook?

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Can anyone recommend me a GOOD organic chem textbook? The one I used this semester (Smith) wasn't very good imo. There were very few practice problems, which I feel are essential to doing well, and there is no answer key unless you spend another $100 for it. Also felt like some topics (NMR especially) were poorly explained. I have such a poor understanding of Organic 1 that I dropped it and will be retaking it.. didn't feel like I should be goign into II when I was struggling for a C in I.

If you know of any textbook with good explanations, and more importantly lots of practice problems, any help is appreciated!

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At my first school we used organic chemistry text book by Janice Gorzynski Smith, i dont know if it is the same Smith book as u used, but this Gorzynski book is sooo easy and good, even seems like orgo for dummies. The other book which i used at the different school is also good but bit harder is by Bruice, reactions and synthesis problems i think explained in this book better than in Smith's.
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At my first school we used organic chemistry text book by Janice Gorzynski Smith, i dont know if it is the same Smith book as u used, but this Gorzynski book is sooo easy and good, even seems like orgo for dummies. The other book which i used at the different school is also good but bit harder is by Bruice, reactions and synthesis problems i think explained in this book better than in Smith's.
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We use Bruice at my school. After two semesters of good grades in o-chem I can say that I opened the book a total of...twice.

It does seem to have a lot of practice problems, though.
 
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I dont know why that smith book is so damn popular. I used both smith and mcmurry, and i prefer mcmurry by a lot.

but i liked klein's second language for ochem I and II more than any textbook. It won't have any NMR or other lab techniques, but those two small books helped me breeze through OChem.

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I used Carey and thought it was pretty good. Buy the Carey 8th edition with the solutions manual, good investment.
 
Solomons&Fryhle is pretty good.
 
Organic Chemistry: Brown, Foote, Iverson

Hands down, the best book. I've looked at most of the others and they don't compare in my opinion. I aced organic simply because I read the book backwards and forwards and did the TONS of problems at the end of each chapter. Good luck 👍
 
Organic Chemistry: Brown, Foote, Iverson

Hands down, the best book. I've looked at most of the others and they don't compare in my opinion. I aced organic simply because I read the book backwards and forwards and did the TONS of problems at the end of each chapter. Good luck 👍
 
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I don't know anything about the books already mentioned in this thread, but I would strongly recommend Wade's organic textbook. His explanations are lucid, and the book is replete with examples as well as practice problems. The mechanisms are all explained well and I found it very easy to look up technical details that I wanted. NMR is explained very well, really I can't think of anything I didn't like about the book. He even discusses methods for coming up with complex syntheses (including a comprehensive discussion of retrosynthesis) and problem-solving tips for spectroscopy. Best of all -- the book is easy to understand and a pleasure to read.

Everyone I've talked to that's used the book, at my school or elsewhere, has found it a solid resource for organic chemistry. This textbook was the best I used in undergrad, and contributed to organic chemistry being my #1 favorite class in all of college (and I took a *very* diverse selection of classes).
 
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yeah I agree, Wade is great.

+1 for Wade. Excellent organic text that puts McMurry to shame except for the mechanism schematics where McMurry color codes important functional groups/protons.
 
I must have looked at 20+ threads about this a few weeks ago and the one that's recommended the most is Organic Chemistry As A Second Language. 👍




EDIT: IIRC, the Second Language book only covers OChem I so you might have to get the second version of the book for OChem II...
 
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I must have looked at 20+ threads about this a few weeks ago and the one that's recommended the most is Organic Chemistry As A Second Language. 👍




EDIT: IIRC, the Second Language book only covers OChem I so you might have to get the second version of the book for OChem II...

well that's not really a textbook...
 
At my school we use Vollhardt... any opinions? It hasn't been mentioned in this thread.
 
All these books mentioned are fine, but really they're reiterations of the same thing. They all follow a breakdown by functional group. Most American-authored books do. I learned Orgo this way and I did just fine, but I think there is a better way. Which brings me to Organic Chemistry by Clayden et al.

This book is organized by mechanism type and not functional group. And so you have a chapter called "nucleophilic substitution at the carbonlyl carbon" and "electrophilic addition to alkenes". The virtue of this method is two-fold. First, it gets students thinking about mechanistic patterns rather than trying to memorize thousands of individual reactions. Second, it brings together a plethora of related reactions that in a functional-group based book, would seem unrelated. For example, conversion of alcohols to alkyl halides and epoxide opening reactions might be treated in two different chapters in the conventional format, when in reality, they are iterations of a substitution at saturated carbon. I think this approach gets kids thinking more in patterns and less in minutaie, which is the biggest obstacle people face when taking Orgo.

Now, I'll warn you that this book is quite comprehensive and might have more than you need for your particular class. But for those of you who really want to understand organic chemistry, this is THE book, IMHO.

If you're not so adventurous, of the traditional books, I think Organic Chemistry by Brown and Foote is very good. I used it as an undergrad and it served me well. It is clearly written, has lots of great illustrations and interesting sidenotes.

For those looking for a supplementary book, let me recommend a classic: The Art of Writing Reasonable Organic Reaction Mechanisms by Robert Grossman. This book was made for advanced undergrads trying to learn how to systematically approach mechanisms. It formalizes in one place all the rules for writing a reaction. This is in contrast to the haphazard way most of us learn it in class.

If any one wants to chat more about Orgo, feel free to PM me.
 
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Going to have to go with Wade. I've had experience with 3 organic chemistry textbooks and Wade is far superior.

Edit: The book posted above is also really good too though. But I still prefer Wade.
 
We use Bruice at my school. After two semesters of good grades in o-chem I can say that I opened the book a total of...twice.

It does seem to have a lot of practice problems, though.



The Smith book is amazing.. I used Brown this semester for Honors Ochem. It was so horrible. SMITH IS AMAZING
 
Wade FTW. Breaks it down into understandable chunks and the solutions book/manual is gold.
 
Organic Chemistry: Brown, Foote, Iverson

Hands down, the best book. I've looked at most of the others and they don't compare in my opinion. I aced organic simply because I read the book backwards and forwards and did the TONS of problems at the end of each chapter. Good luck 👍

I agree. Brown is the best ochem text book out there. I've looked at most of them and none compare.
 
A long time ago, I used Bruice....worked through all the problems. There used to be a workbook and solutions manual, I think. I can't comment on the other texts, but Bruice's really worked well for me.
 
I understand organic chem is a hard course.... but having the right textbooks really makes a difference

That's why I recommend:
Organic Chemistry by John McMurry

It is an excellent textbook.... very self explanatory........ and the practice problems in the book are excellent review questions.........

use this book, along with Organic Chem as a Second Language (written by David Klein), AND 3000 solved problems in Organic Chemistry (written by Herbert Meischlich; published by Schaums), and you should do well in orgo I believe.

You may think these books are heavy financial investments, but you really learn a lot from these books especially if they are all used together... I really believe that a combination of these three books will help you excel in organic chemistry.... it did for me
 
When I started orgo 1, I had difficulty following McMurry so I went to the library and checked out about 10 orgo help books (It was definitely at least 6!). I think the Orgo for dummies helped me the most. It was useful to read the same thing in a different away. By orgo 2, I didn't open the textbook at all and just studied my profs notes. I was lucky because I had a very good teacher and the material was all self contained. He also gave sufficient practice problems in class.

Things I wish I had done at the start of the class:
Since you have to take the MCAT anyways, by the MCAT prep books like EK and others to use as you go through the class to help you study for the MCAT at the same time.
We took the ACS final exam. I wish I had used the review for it from the beginning since it had so many good practice problems.

Things I did that made the class easier:
Immediately after class, I read my notes and did all the practice problems I could.
I read ahead in the help books as much as I could and read as I went through the course.
I also reread the previous lecture notes before the start of the new lecture to keep the material fresh.

Orgo is not a class to procrastinate.

Good luck!

Before long, you will love orgo, too!

I understand organic chem is a hard course.... but having the right textbooks really makes a difference

That's why I recommend:
Organic Chemistry by John McMurry

It is an excellent textbook.... very self explanatory........ and the practice problems in the book are excellent review questions.........

use this book, along with Organic Chem as a Second Language (written by David Klein), AND 3000 solved problems in Organic Chemistry (written by Herbert Meischlich; published by Schaums), and you should do well in orgo I believe.

You may think these books are heavy financial investments, but you really learn a lot from these books especially if they are all used together... I really believe that a combination of these three books will help you excel in organic chemistry.... it did for me
 
I do not recommend the Bruice book, that is the book we used at my institution and it didn't help what so ever. Also the book is riddled with errors, so if you do happen to use it make sure you get an errors list for it.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I suck terribly at organic.. I thought I was doing well because I was rocking my lab quizzes.. but clearly that was a poor indication. I even bought organic as a second language, organic for dummies and organic demystified.. still did terribly. Hopefully my second go-around I can put a little more effort into it.
 
Wade is really good. I used it, and I scored in top 100th percentile on ACS examination in organic chemistry.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I suck terribly at organic.. I thought I was doing well because I was rocking my lab quizzes.. but clearly that was a poor indication. I even bought organic as a second language, organic for dummies and organic demystified.. still did terribly. Hopefully my second go-around I can put a little more effort into it.

Hey Vincent,
Sorry to hear about the tough time. First, keep your head up. Then, start doing problems. Lots and lots and lots of problems! If you're already doing this, do more. 🙂 My professor told us the first day of class, "If you're not reading with a pencil in hand, you're not learning organic chemistry." Meaning, no amount of reading alone is going to instill the principles and concepts of Orgo. You need to do problems and consult the solutions when you get problems wrong. I bought several other textbooks to supplement the one we used in class, as this was suggested by my prof. Here is another good resource, courtesy of MIT.

Let me make another suggestion. I know the semester is over, but next semester, sit down front. Single out the kids who ask good questions, or who seem knowledgeable when you're talking about in-class problems. Make friends with these kids. Set up a study group with them. See what they do that you don't. I'm not a huge fan of study groups, but I find orgo to be one of those subjects that really lends itself to group learning. Having 10 different pairs of eyes on the same problem shows you angles of approach that you might not have seen yourself.

And, of course, use every free resource at your disposal. Go to office hours (with specific questions). Go to the help room if your school has one. Make friends with the graduate TAs. Just do anything you can to move forward with your learning.

And finally. Never ever fall behind. Try to stay at least a week ahead in your readings for the class. Trying to catch up in orgo is very difficult.

Hope that helps. Good luck.
 
The Smith Book (The one with a crab on the front) is INCREDIBLE! It basically will teach you everything you need to know, and then highlights the important points in these little blue boxes. It's a fantastic book.
 
Just use the Wade book supplemented by Organic Chemistry I/II as a Second Language.
 
The Smith Book (The one with a crab on the front) is INCREDIBLE! It basically will teach you everything you need to know, and then highlights the important points in these little blue boxes. It's a fantastic book.

Haha that's the one I had.. I didn't like it.

I can't take ochem next semester as it's only an Ochem 1 1st semester, Ochem II second semester kinda thing. I'm hoping to have enough time next semester to re-learn everything I was supposed to know in organic 1 so I can just rock it next year.
 
Haha that's the one I had.. I didn't like it.

I can't take ochem next semester as it's only an Ochem 1 1st semester, Ochem II second semester kinda thing. I'm hoping to have enough time next semester to re-learn everything I was supposed to know in organic 1 so I can just rock it next year.
Smith's book is bad. It is written like for dummies, and it is for dummies. Some of the explanations are either primitive or are lacking altogether. The NMR chapter is the worst.
Try Wade!
 
At my school we use Vollhardt... any opinions? It hasn't been mentioned in this thread.

Ugh, this is such a terrible book! When I took the first half of O-Chem at a community college, we used Wade and it helped me lots. But when I transferred over to UCSD for the second half, they use Vollhardt and I just hated it. After a couple of weeks of using it, I sold it and resorted back to Wade which made for a much better experience!
 
Can anyone recommend some other supplemental books on Org Chem that you could pick up at a local bookstore?
 
Can anyone recommend some other supplemental books on Org Chem that you could pick up at a local bookstore?

Yep. Organic chem as a second language helped me out a good amount. However, it only helped me through the first half of the semester before it ran out of the things we started working on.

Glad someone else agrees w/ me on the Smith book. I read the NMR chapter at least 15 times before finally giving up on learning it. Some things written in that book didn't make any sense to me, donno why. Hybridization confused the hell out of me until I read in the Orgo as a second language "if you can count to 4, you can do hybridization." :laugh:
 
My school uses Organic Chem 5th edition by Brown, et al

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My prof co authored so she knew how to teach it well. The book was understandable and had many practice problems (buy the solutions manual as well which gives detailed answers to questions)
 
bump... there are 3 more ochem threads going on, so i figured this one deserves a bump😀
 
Wade is a genius, I'm telling you. And his CV is pretty badass: http://www.whitman.edu/chemistry/faculty/wade.html

Selected excerpts:

"National Award: Outstanding Marine Safety Patrol: 1996"
"Catgut Acoustical Society (Construction and Physics of Stringed Inst.) "
"Expert Witness in chemistry, drugs, firearms, and ballistics "
"Deputy Sheriff and Police Firearms Instructor, Larimer County, Colorado "

For a guy that cool, you just gotta buy his textbook!
 
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