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Hey guys,

Been on the Anesthesia Forums since I was a premed back at Cal. Now I am a soon to be 4th year medical student and its finally time to get some exposure and hopefully enter the field of Anesthesia this time next year :xf:

Unfortunately my school offers very few sites that offer rotations in anesthesia and the few that they offer are booked. I need to get atleast 1 to 2 rotations in Anesthesia before Sept 1 so I can start the residency cycle on time.

I m was hoping that maybe one of you guys could help me get an audition rotation at your institution? I don't mind traveling (even out of state would be ok) to anywhere as long as its a solid training program with a residency program associated with it. Please PM if you any of you guys could help me out.

Thanks so much guys.. I am kinda in a bind because the new match cycle beings in 5 months and I have so much to do and not much time to do it.

Thanks!!
 
You can apply for away rotations through VSAS and through individual institutions if they do not participate in VSAS. This is what a majority of students do for 4th year visiting rotations. Did your school not tell you this yet?
 
You need an advisor and support from your school. Ask them for help. You are paying a huge tuition and they owe it to you to assist you in the process. Advice gained here should be a supplement to advice from your advisor/school administrators. Advice from here should not be instead of assistance from your school.
 
You need an advisor and support from your school. Ask them for help. You are paying a huge tuition and they owe it to you to assist you in the process. Advice gained here should be a supplement to advice from your advisor/school administrators. Advice from here should not be instead of assistance from your school.

That's great and all, but if you're one of us poor saps who decided to go DO you'd find that you're not getting much assistance in that arena. My institution has no department of anesthesia and weak advising in general. Most of this stuff has been left to us to figure out on our own, and in this case SDN has been a godsend.

I don't know if the OP is a DO student, but his post has that gist.
 
As a caribbean IMG it's even harder if not almost impossible to get away rotations at institutions that aren't affiliated with your school. I know my hospital has a pretty strict policy against carib students doing outside rotations. I also know of a few people who couldn't find any outside rotations in other specialties. Seems like no one wants to let carib students rotate at their hospitals, especially not the NYC hospitals because of that HHC contract. My school SGU offered no help in terms of fnding an outside rotation. They said if you do all the work and find a place that will take you, then we will fill out the paper work and allow you to do it.

You might just have to simply pick up the yellow pages or in this case ERAS and just call the Graduate Medical Education office for that hospital, calling the anesthesia department won't be of any use because they don't really make the med student schedules.

I remembered I booked my anesthesia rotations 1 year before the start date and even then I couldn't get the dates I wanted for one of them because it was filled up.

Good luck.
 
Hey guys,

Been on the Anesthesia Forums since I was a premed back at Cal. Now I am a soon to be 4th year medical student and its finally time to get some exposure and hopefully enter the field of Anesthesia this time next year :xf:

Unfortunately my school offers very few sites that offer rotations in anesthesia and the few that they offer are booked. I need to get atleast 1 to 2 rotations in Anesthesia before Sept 1 so I can start the residency cycle on time.

I m was hoping that maybe one of you guys could help me get an audition rotation at your institution? I don't mind traveling (even out of state would be ok) to anywhere as long as its a solid training program with a residency program associated with it. Please PM if you any of you guys could help me out.

Thanks so much guys.. I am kinda in a bind because the new match cycle beings in 5 months and I have so much to do and not much time to do it.

Thanks!!

Like other posters said, I assume you're a DO as your school is borderline incompetent (I'm a DO too so I know the feeling when it comes to residency advice/help). If you are MD you apply through VSAS, if DO I believe this is the first year that they will allow DO's to apply through VSAS as well, regardless do the following.

1.) Think about programs you would like to explore
2.) Go to the Anesthesia Dept website for that institution, look for link that says "visiting students" or medical students. All the info you need will be there, app, application opening date information etc...
3.) Fill out application for away rotation/sub-I
4.) Apply to 5-6 etc if you want to go on 2 aways. And have the apps DONE and sent as soon as they allow.......from what I remember most started taking apps in april/may.

Good luck, and it IS possible to do without an Anesthesia Dept at your school.
 
I'm guessing he's M.D. from his post signature and he's not carrib from his location. Although, I could be wrong...
 
I'm guessing he's M.D. from his post signature and he's not carrib from his location. Although, I could be wrong...

True, missed that....but if he/she is a soon to be 4th yr the grad date would be 2013 too........

Either way all applicable info is on the dept websites
 
That's great and all, but if you're one of us poor saps who decided to go DO you'd find that you're not getting much assistance in that arena. My institution has no department of anesthesia and weak advising in general. Most of this stuff has been left to us to figure out on our own, and in this case SDN has been a godsend.

I don't know if the OP is a DO student, but his post has that gist.


haven't even read the rest of the thread, but this comment is so true....didn't like the only two MD schools I was accepted into based on location, ended up a DO, ZERO advisory (they want to churn out primary care in the state where you are trained), SDN anesthesia forum played a huge role.....is it bad that I'm admitting that? Don't care it's the truth. And thanks to the all the people who contribute a great deal of brutal honesty to this forum.
 
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Like other posters said, I assume you're a DO as your school is borderline incompetent (I'm a DO too so I know the feeling when it comes to residency advice/help). If you are MD you apply through VSAS, if DO I believe this is the first year that they will allow DO's to apply through VSAS as well, regardless do the following.

1.) Think about programs you would like to explore
2.) Go to the Anesthesia Dept website for that institution, look for link that says "visiting students" or medical students. All the info you need will be there, app, application opening date information etc...
3.) Fill out application for away rotation/sub-I
4.) Apply to 5-6 etc if you want to go on 2 aways. And have the apps DONE and sent as soon as they allow.......from what I remember most started taking apps in april/may.

Good luck, and it IS possible to do without an Anesthesia Dept at your school.

great advice....this was exactly my experience....fought tooth and nail to set up aways at other institutions....my school does everything it can to keep students in state and creates it's own barriers for students to visit other programs. They require an "educational agreement" that is pages and pages long, includes some weird contractual agreement and requires resumes of the preceptors at the away program (like UW anesthesia department isn't going to give me a better month worth of education than the tiny DO program I'm at, give me a break). Multiple programs I tried to set up aways with declined to sign this nonsense after it spent months in their legal department (yeah it was so complex some institutions sent it to their lawyers to sort out).

After quite a bit of effort I ended up going to Loyola and UW for aways. Learned a great deal and thought highly of the people there. Great two months of learning. In the end, I didn't end up at either of those programs...so how important are those aways?.... Further resistance with the school: wouldn't you know my evaluation/grades for those rotations weren't processed in time to be added to my ERAS clinical grades. Many programs even questioned me on the interview trail if I had even done an anesthesia rotation because they didn't see any grades from it. Somehow magically I matched despite this nonsense.
 
I went to a "state" DO school and we had no advisement, either. They probably like when people don't match. More bodies to fill the many, many FM spots that go unfilled in terrible locations in tiny hospitals.
 
great advice....this was exactly my experience....fought tooth and nail to set up aways at other institutions....my school does everything it can to keep students in state and creates it's own barriers for students to visit other programs. They require an "educational agreement" that is pages and pages long, includes some weird contractual agreement and requires resumes of the preceptors at the away program (like UW anesthesia department isn't going to give me a better month worth of education than the tiny DO program I'm at, give me a break). Multiple programs I tried to set up aways with declined to sign this nonsense after it spent months in their legal department (yeah it was so complex some institutions sent it to their lawyers to sort out).

After quite a bit of effort I ended up going to Loyola and UW for aways. Learned a great deal and thought highly of the people there. Great two months of learning. In the end, I didn't end up at either of those programs...so how important are those aways?.... Further resistance with the school: wouldn't you know my evaluation/grades for those rotations weren't processed in time to be added to my ERAS clinical grades. Many programs even questioned me on the interview trail if I had even done an anesthesia rotation because they didn't see any grades from it. Somehow magically I matched despite this nonsense.


:laugh::meanie: Man does that sound familiar.

I didn't end up at either of my aways either. But this was more of my decision (ranked them lower).

In the end, I LOVE where I ended up, it was worth the educating myself and determination. This forum DOES help, has a lot of info to give and the majority are very nice/supportive.
 
As a caribbean IMG it's even harder if not almost impossible to get away rotations at institutions that aren't affiliated with your school. I know my hospital has a pretty strict policy against carib students doing outside rotations. I also know of a few people who couldn't find any outside rotations in other specialties. Seems like no one wants to let carib students rotate at their hospitals, especially not the NYC hospitals because of that HHC contract. My school SGU offered no help in terms of fnding an outside rotation. They said if you do all the work and find a place that will take you, then we will fill out the paper work and allow you to do it.

You might just have to simply pick up the yellow pages or in this case ERAS and just call the Graduate Medical Education office for that hospital, calling the anesthesia department won't be of any use because they don't really make the med student schedules.

I remembered I booked my anesthesia rotations 1 year before the start date and even then I couldn't get the dates I wanted for one of them because it was filled up.

Good luck.

Correct I go to SGU and will be applying Sept 1 to Anesthesia. I ve been working so hard to get in an anesthesia rotation before Sept 1 and I think I am close to atleast getting 1 within our network of sites and even so its at a hospital without a residency program in Anesthesia. Even then our school hasn't made it easy; but its so close to the end that I just want to do a few rotations, take my step 2s and apply so no point of over thinking it.

I was just hoping if there are any Attendings, Senior Residents, PDs, or Anesthesiologists at hospitals with residencies in Anesthesia could possibly help me get an elective rotation at your institution. I will be one of the hardest working medical students ever😀😀😀 Again I don't mind at all traveling out of state as long as its a solid training program 👍

Thank you in advance🙂
 
Correct I go to SGU and will be applying Sept 1 to Anesthesia. I ve been working so hard to get in an anesthesia rotation before Sept 1 and I think I am close to atleast getting 1 within our network of sites and even so its at a hospital without a residency program in Anesthesia. Even then our school hasn't made it easy; but its so close to the end that I just want to do a few rotations, take my step 2s and apply so no point of over thinking it.

I was just hoping if there are any Attendings, Senior Residents, PDs, or Anesthesiologists at hospitals with residencies in Anesthesia could possibly help me get an elective rotation at your institution. I will be one of the hardest working medical students ever😀😀😀 Again I don't mind at all traveling out of state as long as its a solid training program 👍

Thank you in advance🙂

Seriously use the advice given above. Program websites are your friend here. You will have to apply like everyone else. I highly doubt on of the attendings on here is gonna go,"oh you posted on SDN, here is a rotation pal".....
 
NY has a lot of solid anesthesia programs. So does NJ. I would just go to their websites and start applying. They usually have an externship coordinator you can contact. Maybe you should email some of your upperclassmen to see how they did it. I met a girl from your school that had several anesthesia interviews in that area. Don't remember her name or whether she did aways but she had a ton of interviews, and at great programs like nyu and cornell. there are also programs that never fill but seem to be improving like Einstein and downstate that might be more lenient about foreign grads. I think Einstein has a ton of potential. I think vsas is only AMG- MD/DOs. I could be wrong!! Just trying to be helpful.
 
I knew that the advising support for DO students was poor. I had no idea it was non-existant or, worse, counter to the best interests of the student. That is a shame. The fact that Carib students face this same issue doesn't surprise me. Seems they are mostly on their own for this type of thing. That couple hundred thousand in debt should at least get students an adviser!
Best of luck.
 
DO advising was nonexistent for me as well.

I knew that the advising support for DO students was poor. I had no idea it was non-existant or, worse, counter to the best interests of the student. That is a shame. The fact that Carib students face this same issue doesn't surprise me. Seems they are mostly on their own for this type of thing. That couple hundred thousand in debt should at least get students an adviser!
Best of luck.
 
I knew that the advising support for DO students was poor. I had no idea it was non-existant or, worse, counter to the best interests of the student. That is a shame. The fact that Carib students face this same issue doesn't surprise me. Seems they are mostly on their own for this type of thing. That couple hundred thousand in debt should at least get students an adviser!
Best of luck.

The issue is two fold, first the entire clinical admin tries to preach the DO company line; "only take COMLEX", "if all DO applicants only take COMLEX it forces PDs to recognize it and learn to understand the scoring etc"...Now sure, that works and even makes sense if applied universally but as an individual I'm not betting my future/goals on a coordinated selfless movement among all DOs. Kind of like the argument of don't teach CRNAs anything, great if EVERYONE does it but not such a great idea for the people out in the trenches with CRNAs working for them on their liability etc...

Second, most DO schools have very minimal actual residency programs associated with them, esp outside of FM/IM therefore not really any true PDs. For example my schools "Anesthesia chair/advisor" is a retired Urologist - great guy, like him a lot, will put effort into trying to help.... Just not sure he has the info or pull we need.
 
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