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Hey Everyone,

I graduated in 2015 with a Bachelors in Biology with a 2.3 gpa. I went to 3 different schools and had some extentuating circumstances I was going through, which is the reason for my low gpa. I feel stuck now because I have considered applying to Masters programs in Biomedical Science to try to help me get some research experience but I have not succeeded. I was considering other careers in Research but now I am realizing that whatever I do will not be satisfying to me even I was not a doctor.

Now with my low gpa, I am wondering if there any programs out there specifically in texas that would accept me?
What should I do to move forward? I am still looking for a job and I figured maybe getting a Masters would help me get Research experience, which is the area I want to go into. I would love to get an entry-level Research position, while I figure out how I am going to resolve the situation with medicine. I was thinking I could go back to school and re-take courses but that would take years.

Three options:
1. Try to get into a Masters program. I have applied to great programs and gotten denied, so I will probably have to consider less prestigious programs in my area... ( I am sure they would accept me, but I am concerned about the type of education I would be getting, and whether these schools are just in it for the money which is why they make their admissions requirements so easy?)
I may have to just go for it though because its better than doing nothing.
2. I have recently discovered a medical school called IUHS International University of Health Sciences in St. Kitts. Where the first two years of basic sciences are done online and the second two years are done in various rotations across U.S such as in Atlanta Chicago, Connecticut hospitals.I have done significant research on this school and even found licensed doctors who went to this program. I am willing to do whatever it takes even if it means taking a risk.
3. Wait 10 years to appply to an MD program under the Act in Texas, where if you wait 10 years all your previous grades will be erased which means I would be starting over.
4. Do a post-bacc, either informal or formal, and go for DO?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated
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2.3 is pretty deadly now that grade forgiveness is gone.

You might have better odds in 10yrs with texas
 
With respect to #2, what you discovered is an insidious marketing ploy by an unscrupulous business enterprise designed to prey on the vulnerable.
You would be well-served to employ the same degree of skepticism that you have used in #1. In fact, an offshore scheme that does not have to follow the accreditation rules of a US medical school deserves a much higher degree of skepticism that any accredited school in TX.
 
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I'll second gyngyn and go further by saying you shouldn't risk a carribbean school. If you, as an american, can't get in somewhere stateside you are safer to consider the backup dream career

Given your current situation, if I was dead set on something medical I'd go get an RN for now
 
1. Why do you want to do "research" with that kind of GPA? I mean seriously man what research are you planning on conducting when you're no expert.

2. You obviously don't know how the Caribbean game works. I would suggest you read up on some of those threads to become more informed on how to apply to the Caribbean. Online basic sciences? LOL!

3. Sure, wait 10 years. That's real easy.

4. DO is not happening with a 2.3

Take it from me man. You have to FIRST figure out why you got a 2.3 and then go through that stage where you change all those habits that got you the 2.3. Once you complete that, then you start thinking about the next step. In your case you would need at least a few years of coursework with a 3.5 or better; ideally higher than that and then take the MCAT and actually do well on it. Once you have that you can make the next move. I don't think you would have a chance with a US program but there are a few schools in the Caribbean that are legitimate options. If you're a Texas resident, sure take advantage of the Fresh Start program but just realize 10 years is not tomorrow. 10 years is a VERY long time. Life might happen and you may not even want to be a doctor at that time. Start working now.

Also, shadow a medical student and find a mentor. I think you need to understand what medical school is and what becoming a doctor is all about. You'd be surprised how many pre-med's don't have a clue.
 
sb247 said:
I'll second gyngyn and go further by saying you shouldn't risk a carribbean school. If you, as an american, can't get in somewhere stateside you are safer to consider the backup dream career

Given your current situation, if I was dead set on something medical I'd go get an RN for now
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yes, that is actually something I have been considering. Thanks for the insight. I do not think it would be wise to risk a carribbean school.
 
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Futurecareerinmedicine said:
Hey Everyone,

I graduated in 2015 with a Bachelors in Biology with a 2.3 gpa. I went to 3 different schools and had some extentuating circumstances I was going through, which is the reason for my low gpa. I feel stuck now because I have considered applying to Masters programs in Biomedical Science to try to help me get some research experience but I have not succeeded. I was considering other careers in Research but now I am realizing that whatever I do will not be satisfying to me even I was not a doctor.

Now with my low gpa, I am wondering if there any programs out there specifically in texas that would accept me?
What should I do to move forward? I am still looking for a job and I figured maybe getting a Masters would help me get Research experience, which is the area I want to go into. I would love to get an entry-level Research position, while I figure out how I am going to resolve the situation with medicine. I was thinking I could go back to school and re-take courses but that would take years.

Three options:
1. Try to get into a Masters program. I have applied to great programs and gotten denied, so I will probably have to consider less prestigious programs in my area... ( I am sure they would accept me, but I am concerned about the type of education I would be getting, and whether these schools are just in it for the money which is why they make their admissions requirements so easy?)
I may have to just go for it though because its better than doing nothing.
2. I have recently discovered a medical school called IUHS International University of Health Sciences in St. Kitts. Where the first two years of basic sciences are done online and the second two years are done in various rotations across U.S such as in Atlanta Chicago, Connecticut hospitals.I have done significant research on this school and even found licensed doctors who went to this program. I am willing to do whatever it takes even if it means taking a risk.
3. Wait 10 years to appply to an MD program under the Act in Texas, where if you wait 10 years all your previous grades will be erased which means I would be starting over.
4. Do a post-bacc, either informal or formal, and go for DO?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated
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aformerstudent said:
1. Why do you want to do "research" with that kind of GPA? I mean seriously man what research are you planning on conducting when you're no expert.

2. You obviously don't know how the Caribbean game works. I would suggest you read up on some of those threads to become more informed on how to apply to the Caribbean. Online basic sciences? LOL!

3. Sure, wait 10 years. That's real easy.

4. DO is not happening with a 2.3

Take it from me man. You have to FIRST figure out why you got a 2.3 and then go through that stage where you change all those habits that got you the 2.3. Once you complete that, then you start thinking about the next step. In your case you would need at least a few years of coursework with a 3.5 or better; ideally higher than that and then take the MCAT and actually do well on it. Once you have that you can make the next move. I don't think you would have a chance with a US program but there are a few schools in the Caribbean that are legitimate options. If you're a Texas resident, sure take advantage of the Fresh Start program but just realize 10 years is not tomorrow. 10 years is a VERY long time. Life might happen and you may not even want to be a doctor at that time. Start working now.

Also, shadow a medical student and find a mentor. I think you need to understand what medical school is and what becoming a doctor is all about. You'd be surprised how many pre-med's don't have a clue.
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I have actually already been accepted to this school. I was still considering and weighing all my options. I think it would take years of 4.0 since apparently grade forgiveness is gone for D.O. To bring my GPA up to a decent level for MD/DO, if I have completed 120 credits of 2.0 (C) on average) I would need 120 more credits of 3.5-4.0 (As) right? That is almost like completing another Bachelors degree. I agree with you, I definetely do not want to just to give up and just wait 10 years. I may consider an apply for another career path such as nursing, while getting experience and reapplying for MD later on, while retaking courses, and after figuring out why I had low grades in the first place.
 
Futurecareerinmedicine said:
I have actually already been accepted to this school. I was still considering and weighing all my options. I think it would take years of 4.0 since apparently grade forgiveness is gone for D.O. To bring my GPA up to a decent level for MD/DO, if I have completed 120 credits of 2.0 (C) on average) I would need 120 more credits of 3.5-4.0 (As) right? That is almost like completing another Bachelors degree. I agree with you, I definetely do not want to just to give up and just wait 10 years. I may consider an apply for another career path such as nursing, while getting experience and reapplying for MD later on, while retaking courses, and after figuring out why I had low grades in the first place.
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What school? The online medical school? Ask them if you can get your application money back lol.

It's really not that hard. The people on this site make medical school admissions seem like something impossible. Take a break, regroup, and then get the two years of solid work + the MCAT and then go from there. Personally, US schools might be out of reach for you because you are bringing a low GPA to the table. IF you were at a 3.0 then I'd say focus on a DO program.

If you become a good student with a good MCAT, go to SGU and call it a day.
 
Futurecareerinmedicine said:
I have actually already been accepted to this school. I was still considering and weighing all my options. I think it would take years of 4.0 since apparently grade forgiveness is gone for D.O. To bring my GPA up to a decent level for MD/DO, if I have completed 120 credits of 2.0 (C) on average) I would need 120 more credits of 3.5-4.0 (As) right? That is almost like completing another Bachelors degree. I agree with you, I definetely do not want to just to give up and just wait 10 years. I may consider an apply for another career path such as nursing, while getting experience and reapplying for MD later on, while retaking courses, and after figuring out why I had low grades in the first place.
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You have to stop thinking like this. Grade replacement or forgiveness is OVER.

You need to focus of GPA resurrection. That means proving that you can handle a medical school curriculum but acing wither 1-2 years of post-bac or SMP.

Go read everything the wise @DrMidlife has written about this in the Nontrad forum.

And don't even think about Carib diploma mills, unless you really like being unemployed and deeply in debt. They prey upon gullible, desperate marks like you (and other poor advice givers).
 
Goro said:
You have to stop thinking like this. Grade replacement or forgiveness is OVER.

You need to focus of GPA resurrection. That means proving that you can handle a medical school curriculum but acing wither 1-2 years of post-bac or SMP.

Go read everything the wise @DrMidlife has written about this in the Nontrad forum.

And don't even think about Carib diploma mills, unless you really like being unemployed and deeply in debt. They prey upon gullible, desperate marks like you (and other poor advice givers).
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Yes, I have read it. It was very helpful. I was just wondering that if I retake upperlevel science courses for the purposes of proving that I can handle medical school curriculum, even with less than a 3.0 overall gpa that I would have a shot at MD/DO Schools? Even if I retook courses and received A`s in two years worth of retaking courses. Could I complete a science based masters program, and if I do well, figure out why I did badly in the first place and get high GPA in my masters program that would be enough to prove that I can handle a med school curriculum?
 
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I can't sugar coat this: I am worried about your reading comprehension, because you are ignoring everything I have written.

So, whether you retake Anatomy, Physiology and Med Micro, or they are new courses, it doesn't matter, as long as you ace them.

Capeesh?



Futurecareerinmedicine said:
Yes, I have read it. It was very helpful. I was just wondering that if I retake upperlevel science courses for the purposes of proving that I can handle medical school curriculum, even with less than a 3.0 overall gpa that I would have a shot at MD/DO Schools? Even if I retook courses and received A`s in two years worth of retaking courses. Could I complete a science based masters program, and if I do well, figure out why I did badly in the first place and get high GPA in my masters program that would be enough to prove that I can handle a med school curriculum?
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My friend, the individual above me is giving you the EXACT same advice I am giving you.

Take this helpful advice...

1. Grades don't magically change the second time around unless you make HUGE changes in your life and your study habits and you have not talked about that.
2. The individual above me told you to focus on "GPA resurrection" but conveniently did not advise you to apply to a US program in the future.
3. And that is because you won't get into a US program! So if you want to become a doc and you have thought long and hard about it...
4. Research Caribbean schools and pick one of the better ones.
IF you don't want to go to the Caribbean then spend the rest of your life in school trying to raise that 2.3.

I was in the same position as you at one point and then I figured out that success is about approach. I had to change my approach and so do you.
 
Could try studying up for the MCAT and giving that a go, if you've already had all the intro science classes. Could tell you whether it makes sense to invest years in grade repairs vs going for a different career
 
efle said:
Could try studying up for the MCAT and giving that a go, if you've already had all the intro science classes. Could tell you whether it makes sense to invest years in grade repairs vs going for a different career
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Right? That is what I was thinking? What is the point of investing years in gpa repair if I "will not get in". If everyone thought like that, there will be limited doctors in the world. only the ones that got straight As in college would have made it in. My plan is to do a post bacc certificate or second degree bachelors program for one year, and get some work experience at a hospital or laboratory. Once I figure out what I am doing wrong in regards to studying and Acing upper level science courses, I will enroll in a post-bacc program. The thing is due to my gpa I am inelegible for all professional health careers such as PA, Masters, and even nursing require at least a 2.75. So I really do need to go back to school and do some gpa repair regardless of what professional I choose to go into. Even the post bacc requires a 2.5, but I plan to take a few classes this summer to boost my gpa to 2.5. And you know what, I am going to prove everyone who posted here wrong that I will be unable to get in. Sooner or later, whether its now or in 8 more years for the Texas fresh start program I will get in and there is nothing that is going to stop me, or tell me that I cannot do it or that I am not good enough. People have gotten in, in the past had lower gpas than me and never given up. It may have taken them years like 5 years or more, but they never gave up and eventually they did get in. Becoming a doctor is about how bad you want it!
 
Futurecareerinmedicine said:
Right? That is what I was thinking? What is the point of investing years in gpa repair if I "will not get in". If everyone thought like that, there will be limited doctors in the world. only the ones that got straight As in college would have made it in. My plan is to do a post bacc certificate or second degree bachelors program for one year, and get some work experience at a hospital or laboratory. Once I figure out what I am doing wrong in regards to studying and Acing upper level science courses, I will enroll in a post-bacc program. The thing is due to my gpa I am inelegible for all professional health careers such as PA, Masters, and even nursing require at least a 2.75. So I really do need to go back to school and do some gpa repair regardless of what professional I choose to go into. Even the post bacc requires a 2.5, but I plan to take a few classes this summer to boost my gpa to 2.5. And you know what, I am going to prove everyone who posted here wrong that I will be unable to get in. Sooner or later, whether its now or in 8 more years for the Texas fresh start program I will get in and there is nothing that is going to stop me, or tell me that I cannot do it or that I am not good enough. People have gotten in, in the past had lower gpas than me and never given up. It may have taken them years like 5 years or more, but they never gave up and eventually they did get in. Becoming a doctor is about how bad you want it!
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Good luck OP!
 
Aww... Sorry man... You could try to go for a PA.C. degree if you were really set on the medical field. M.D. or D.O. wouldn't work in ur situation... I can give you no insight as to the three options u gave us...

Good luck.. Hope u do well 🙂

-Fyz
 
Fyz said:
Aww... Sorry man... You could try to go for a PA.C. degree if you were really set on the medical field. M.D. or D.O. wouldn't work in ur situation... I can give you no insight as to the three options u gave us...

Good luck.. Hope u do well 🙂

-Fyz
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So I know that most P.A programs require at least a 3.0 to apply. But through Caspa I know that all grades are calculated by the number of credits each course is worth and the grade , so all grades will count. Wouldnt grades count the same way for P.A versus M.D/D.O? I know a 3.0 would be extremely low for M.D but wouldnt a 3.0 be worth applying at least? I calculated that all grades count for caspa I need about 2.5 to 3 years of undergraduate work or 3.5 or 4.0s in order just to bring my gpa up to the minimum level for P.A School. If my gpa does get up to 3.0 then, wouldnt it be worth to a shot to apply to D.O Schools at least just the low tier ones only with a high enough (above 500 MCAT score)?
 
sb247 said:
2.3 is pretty deadly now that grade forgiveness is gone.

You might have better odds in 10yrs with texas
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Ooh that sucks. Especially for anyone who's retaken a bunch of classes because they were counting on it.
 
Futurecareerinmedicine said:
I have actually already been accepted to this school. I was still considering and weighing all my options. I think it would take years of 4.0 since apparently grade forgiveness is gone for D.O. To bring my GPA up to a decent level for MD/DO, if I have completed 120 credits of 2.0 (C) on average) I would need 120 more credits of 3.5-4.0 (As) right? That is almost like completing another Bachelors degree. I agree with you, I definetely do not want to just to give up and just wait 10 years. I may consider an apply for another career path such as nursing, while getting experience and reapplying for MD later on, while retaking courses, and after figuring out why I had low grades in the first place.
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I don't really understand this objection...if you do the Texas Fresh Start (TFS) program, you will have to complete a second bachelor's degree. AND TFS is only good at participating Texas schools.

If instead, you put that same energy into completing a new BA now, proving to yourself and medical school admissions officers that you're a changed person, you'll save serval years of time AND have wider net to cast than just Texas.


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Labrat07 said:
Whatever you do, never ever ever go to Caribbean. I came back from a 2.6 and got into MD.
@aformerstudent your advice is terrible man. Can you stop giving vulnerable students "carribean" bs? This can affect their life tremendously.
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Good for you bro. The Caribbean is an option for the student who knows what they are doing. There are some students who are not candidates for US medical schools and time is money. If you haven't been down that route yourself please keep your own bias to yourself because you most probably do not know how that route works. Seriously man, you can't knock something unless you've tried it yourself.

Notice however how I keep saying "students who know what they are doing." A reasonable person should be able to take my advice with some caution.
 
Million $ Mistake

Read this whole article. Do a search on carribean on this forum. I don't need to make illogical choice to know. There's no shortcut. If you take short cut, you'll pay for it enventually.
It seem to me you think you know what you are doing. How's it working out for you? People need to listen to people that have done it before. You haven't done jack shiz.

If you tell me being in carribean school then drop out is knowing, you're being delusional.

The OP best choice right now is not Carribean. I don't need to jump off the bridge to know I will get hurt by it. It's common sense if you do your research and actually listen.
 
Labrat07 said:
Million $ Mistake

Read this whole article. Do a search on carribean on this forum. I don't need to make illogical choice to know. There's no shortcut. If you take short cut, you'll pay for it enventually.
It seem to me you think you know what you are doing. How's it working out for you? People need to listen to people that have done it before. You haven't done jack shiz.

If you tell me being in carribean school then drop out is knowing, you're being delusional.

The OP best choice right now is not Carribean. I don't need to jump off the bridge to know I will get hurt by it. It's common sense if you do your research and actually listen.
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Settle down man
 
This is another person's livelihood. You think this is a joke? He/she is at an vulnerable state right now. We don't need you to give bad advice.

They could end up hundred thousand dollars in debt with nothing to show for it. I take this Seriously.
 
Labrat07 said:
This is another person's livelihood. You think this is a joke? He/she is at an vulnerable state right now. We don't need you to give bad advice.

They could end up hundred thousand dollars in debt with nothing to show for it. I take this Seriously.
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You're not thinking straight my friend. You're advice on GPA repair to bring up a 2.3 to something competitive is as absurd to me as you think my advice to apply to the Caribbean is to you. Nobody goes to school for years on end to repair their GPA just to apply to medical school. That is the absolute most dumbest advice you can ever give someone. At that point you are better off just telling the other person to find another career.

Like I said earlier, if you don't have first-hand knowledge about the Caribbean, do not lecture to me or anybody for that matter because when you do we will just look down on you.

If you read my posts, I clearly point on the shortcomings of the lesser schools and advocate for schools that can make you a doctor.
 
aformerstudent said:
You're not thinking straight my friend. You're advice on GPA repair to bring up a 2.3 to something competitive is as absurd to me as you think my advice to apply to the Caribbean is to you. Nobody goes to school for years on end to repair their GPA just to apply to medical school. That is the absolute most dumbest advice you can ever give someone. At that point you are better off just telling the other person to find another career.

Like I said earlier, if you don't have first-hand knowledge about the Caribbean, do not lecture to me or anybody for that matter because when you do we will just look down on you.

If you read my posts, I clearly point on the shortcomings of the lesser schools and advocate for schools that can make you a doctor.
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Yes they do.
 
Read other's posts in that link. Other have come back from 2.2, 2.3.... Maybe you're too blind to see that.
 
1-2 years assuming you get straight A's. If you get a few B's here and there which is more than likely, that ain't happening.

Time is money.
 
Done what???

Getting in Carribean, drop out? I'm sorry NO. I have common sense. I won't handicap myself or even kill myself financially just to have a "flip of a coin"

For getting accepted to US medical school from a low GPA?? Yes I did after years of hard work. I would gladly to either go DO or MDs.

I'm done posting with this troll. Luckily, the OP seem to listen to good advice on here.
 
aformerstudent said:
1-2 years assuming you get straight A's. If you get a few B's here and there which is more than likely, that ain't happening.

Time is money.
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Yes it is. debt from 1-2 years of postbacc (which you can work full time alongside, with difficulty) is cheaper than debt from dropping out of Caribbean medical school.
 
Labrat07 said:
Done what???

Getting in Carribean, drop out? I'm sorry NO. I have common sense. I won't handicap myself or even kill myself financially just to have a "flip of a coin"

For getting accepted to US medical school from a low GPA?? Yes I did after years of hard work. I would gladly to either go DO or MDs.

I'm done posting with this troll. Luckily, the OP seem to listen to good advice on here.
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You're done because you have no argument. Have a nice day. 🙂
 
parslea said:
Yes it is. debt from 1-2 years of postbacc (which you can work full time alongside, with difficulty) is cheaper than debt from dropping out of Caribbean medical school.
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Yes, dropping out of the Caribbean is quite expensive. But what happens if you don't drop out?
 
aformerstudent said:
Good for you bro. The Caribbean is an option for the student who knows what they are doing. There are some students who are not candidates for US medical schools and time is money. If you haven't been down that route yourself please keep your own bias to yourself because you most probably do not know how that route works. Seriously man, you can't knock something unless you've tried it yourself.
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I feel confident advocating against crystal meth without personal experience. Some things are just bad ideas.
 
aformerstudent said:
Yes, dropping out of the Caribbean is quite expensive. But what happens if you don't drop out?
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Then you will enjoy a lower match rate into a specialty/institution/location you may dislike before enjoying a lifetime of stigma, if you're lucky.

If you attend 1-2 years of postbacc classes and drop out, you may or may not have debt. You'll have credits towards another degree if you want to change focus. You'll at least be slightly more marketable (with As and Bs) for most things you want to do- certainly would have a good chance for an SMP, which could still get you to US med school.
 
parslea said:
Then you will enjoy a lower match rate into a specialty/institution/location you may dislike before enjoying a lifetime of stigma, if you're lucky.

If you attend 1-2 years of postbacc classes and drop out, you may or may not have debt. You'll have credits towards another degree if you want to change focus. You'll at least be slightly more marketable (with As and Bs) for most things you want to do- certainly would have a good chance for an SMP, which could still get you to US med school.
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Great. Then go do that if you want to do that. If someone wants to go to the Caribbean, let them do that too.

Are you some expert on the Caribbean? You sure are trying to pass yourself off as one. Please don't do that because I will run circles around you with the positive outcomes.
 
WGSgrad said:
I don't really understand this objection...if you do the Texas Fresh Start (TFS) program, you will have to complete a second bachelor's degree. AND TFS is only good at participating Texas schools.

If instead, you put that same energy into completing a new BA now, proving to yourself and medical school admissions officers that you're a changed person, you'll save serval years of time AND have wider net to cast than just Texas.


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That is a very good point, Actually I did not think about that. Either way I will need at least 90-120 credits, so I would rather work on it now rather than later. I would rather work now since I feel very motivated to change my study habits and prove myself and that would save a lot of time. Thank you so much for the insight!
 
aformerstudent said:
Great. Then go do that if you want to do that. If someone wants to go to the Caribbean, let them do that too.

Are you some expert on the Caribbean? You sure are trying to pass yourself off as one. Please don't do that because I will run circles around you with the positive outcomes.
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Positive outcomes don't disprove the existence of many, many negative outcomes. Even if 60% get through, that leaves 40% as lab assistants with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and a few months or years of their lives gone.
 
cactusman said:
Positive outcomes don't disprove the existence of many, many negative outcomes. Even if 60% get through, that leaves 40% as lab assistants with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and a few months or years of their lives gone.
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That is true. I would direct you back to my comments stating that the Caribbean is a good option for the right candidate. That may or may not be the OP.
 
Labrat07 said:
Done what???

Getting in Carribean, drop out? I'm sorry NO. I have common sense. I won't handicap myself or even kill myself financially just to have a "flip of a coin"

For getting accepted to US medical school from a low GPA?? Yes I did after years of hard work. I would gladly to either go DO or MDs.

I'm done posting with this troll. Luckily, the OP seem to listen to good advice on here.
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Yes I agree with you. I have never been a risk-taker but going to the caribbean is more risky than taking post bacc-classes and getting a residency is like 50-50 coin toss. Thanks for the insight.
 
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