Grading systems - updated

[edge of desire]

Hey guys,

I saw this data from 2004 from some guy named "Mr Reddy" (i would've directly quoted him but I didn't know how to do that in a new thread) but I thought it could be a collective update, and I think it might be important as some of us make our med school decisions. To me, b/c i haven't been to med school yet but have dealt with extreme stress over grades and class rank, etc. -- it seems that Pass/Fail is the best system to encourage 'feel good" vibes esp in med school. However, i've also heard it's really necessary for schools to rank you in quartiles for residency apps? Can someone clarify the pros and cons of each grading system and if a schools has changed their system, can you bold or make the changes to this list?

Pass/Fail or equivalent
Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University
Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine
David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Duke University School of Medicine
Harvard Medical School
Keck School of Medicine of the University of Southern California
Loma Linda University School of Medicine
McGill University Faculty of Medicine
Memorial University of Newfoundland
Mercer University School of Medicine
Morehouse School of Medicine
Mount Sinai School of Medicine of New York University
New York University School of Medicine
Northwestern University, Feinberg School of Medicine
Ohio State University College of Medicine and Public Health
Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
Stanford University School of Medicine
University of Calgary Faculty of Medicine
University of California, Davis, School of Medicine
University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine
University of Chicago Division of the Biological Sciences The Pritzker School of Medicine
University of Connecticut School of Medicine
University of Hawaii John A. Burns School of Medicine
University of Kentucky College of Medicine
University of Manitoba Faculty of Medicine
University of Massachusetts Medical School
University of Michigan Medical School
University of Minnesota Medical School - Twin Cities
University of Missouri-Columbia School of Medicine
University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry
University of Saskatchewan College of Medicine
University of Utah School of Medicine
University of Washington School of Medicine
Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine
Wayne State University School of Medicine
Wright State University School of Medicine
Yale University School of Medicine

Honors/Pass/Fail or equivalent
Boston University School of Medicine
Brown Medical School
Creighton University School of Medicine
Dartmouth Medical School
Howard University College of Medicine
Joan & Sanford I. Weill Medical College of Cornell University
Mayo Medical School
McMaster University School of Medicine
Michigan State University College of Human Medicine
Ponce School of Medicine
Queen's University Faculty of Health Sciences
Rush Medical College of Rush University
Saint Louis University School of Medicine
Stony Brook University Health Sciences Center School of Medicine
The University of Western Ontario Faculty of Medicine & Dentistry
Tufts University School of Medicine
University of Alberta Faculty of Medicine and Dentistry
University of Arizona College of Medicine
University of Arkansas College of Medicine
University of British Columbia Faculty of Medicine
University of California, Irvine, College of Medicine
University of California, San Diego, School of Medicine
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center School of Medicine
University of Illinois College of Medicine
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Rockford
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Urbana-Champaign
University of Louisville School of Medicine
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine
University of Ottawa Faculty of Medicine
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
University of Toronto Faculty of Medicine
University of Vermont College of Medicine
West Virginia University School of Medicine

ABCF or Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail or equivalent
Brody School of Medicine at East Carolina University
Drexel University College of Medicine
East Tennessee State University James H. Quillen College of Medicine
Eastern Virginia Medical School
Finch University of Health Sciences/ The Chicago Medical School
George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Sciences
Georgetown University School of Medicine
Indiana University School of Medicine
Louisiana State University School of Medicine in New Orleans
Louisiana State University School of Medicine in Shreveport
Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine
Medical College of Ohio
Meharry Medical College School of Medicine
New York Medical College
Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Pennsylvania State University College of Medicine
State University of New York Downstate Medical Center College of Medicine
State University of New York Upstate Medical University
The Texas A & M University System Health Science Center College of Medicine
The University of Iowa Roy J. and Lucille A. Carver College of Medicine
UMDNJ--New Jersey Medical School
Universidad Central del Caribe School of Medicine
University of Minnesota - Duluth School of Medicine
University of Nevada School of Medicine
University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine
University of South Florida College of Medicine
University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
Vanderbilt University School of Medicine
Wake Forest University School of Medicine

ABCDF or equivalent
Albany Medical College
Baylor College of Medicine
Emory University School of Medicine
Florida State University College of Medicine
Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine at Marshall University
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
Laval University Faculty of Medicine
Medical College of Georgia School of Medicine
Medical College of Wisconsin
Oregon Health & Science University School of Medicine
Temple University School of Medicine
Tulane University School of Medicine
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences F. Edward Hebert School of Medicine
Universite de Sherbrooke Faculty of Medicine
University of Alabama School of Medicine
University of Cincinnati College of Medicine
University of Florida College of Medicine
University of Kansas School of Medicine
University of Maryland School of Medicine
University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine
University of Nebraska College of Medicine
University of New Mexico School of Medicine
University of Oklahoma College of Medicine
University of South Alabama College of Medicine
University of South Dakota School of Medicine
University of Tennessee Health Science Center College of Medicine
University of Texas Medical School at Houston
University of Texas Medical School at San Antonio
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas Southwestern Medical School
University of Virginia School of Medicine
University of Wisconsin Medical School
Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine

Funky ones
Columbia (1st year is P/F , 2nd year is H/P/F) - per CalbeE

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[genswim24]

A lot of schools have changed their curriculum since 2004 so it's probably a good idea to update it. Tulane is Now P/F first 2 years, and H/HP/P/F for the last 2 years. I am not sure what category that would go under with your scheme.

 

[protonate]

I believe hopkins is pass/fail for the preclinical years.

 

[90minIPA]

Emory has used true P/F (no class rank) since 2007.

 

[Frazier]

tagged.

 

[jturkel]

Baylor College of Medicine is Pass/Fail

and while i think i still remember it:

Vanderbilt is Pass/Pass*/Fail
Wash U in St Louis is P/F first year, and then ABCDF afterwards

 

[Geekchick921]

Temple is now H/P/F. I could swear there's an AAMC page that has all this information, too.

FYI, these grades are generally going to refer to the preclinical years only. I'm pretty sure rotations are almost always H/HP/P/F or ABCDF.

 

[4sport]

Thanks for compiling this.

One other piece of info that would be useful for schools that are not purely pass/fail is whether the grades are on a curve, or based on an absolute scale. I'd imagine it would make a difference to the level of stress if everyone could get an Honors, versus only a certain percentage.

 

[Mazdave]

Temple is now H/P/F. I could swear there's an AAMC page that has all this information, too.

There used to be an AAMC page with this info, although the last time I checked it wasn't there...something about taking it down in order to develop a better reporting system.

 

[Geekchick921]

Thanks for compiling this.

One other piece of info that would be useful for schools that are not purely pass/fail is whether the grades are on a curve, or based on an absolute scale. I'd imagine it would make a difference to the level of stress if everyone could get an Honors, versus only a certain percentage.

I agree. I can only speak for my own school, but Temple's H/P/F is based on class performance, not a curve (this has only been the last year or two). Honors is 92 or above, pass is <92 and >70, fail is <70.

 

[tmh]

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[ppappui]

Tulane is also Pass/Fail, I believe

 

[theWUbear]

UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical school is incorrectly listed in the original post. It is pass/fail only for pre-clinical years

 

[brahms11]

Found this online this year...don't remember how to find it on the website. I think it's pretty current.


No guarantees, though.

 

[autotroph]

Brown is P/F for the first semester and then the H/P/F as described after that.

 

[ZsaZsaM]

NEOMED (NEOUCOM) is H/P/F now. Wright State is P/F, but also includes a percentage with most grades. They also have electives in the second year (and beyond?) that are H/P/F.

 

[asrikrishnan]

UT Southwestern is P/F first semester of 1st year and then ABCDF after that.

 

[mmmcdowe]

Columbia is now entirely p/f for the pre-clinicals and H/HP/P/F for the clinicals. Unranked pre-clinicals, unranked clinicals with a grade breakdown of the class provided (so essentially quartiled).

 

[frutiaspice]

University of Pittsburgh JUST changed their grading system to P/F for the first two years.

 

[MVKC7210]

Vanderbilt is pass/ fail for pre-clinical years! Honors/ High Pass/ Pass/ Fail for clinical years!

 

[CloverHoney]

Mayo is also pass/fail unranked for pre-clinical years. We should make an updated list!

 

[jawn doe]

University of Kentucky is percent grades and ranked