graduating in may with no job lined up, HELP!!!!!

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hI, everyone:
I would be graduating in May, but as of right now I don't have any Rph job lined up. Been working for walgreens, but the philly market got so saturated that I'm yet to get an offer. Been applying to other retail places about 3 weeks ago, and they all say there's no need, so frustrated......started to apply other states now...any other people have similar experiences or any other job suggestions? thanks
 
pharmd09pa said:
any other people have similar experiences or any other job suggestions? thanks
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In the other thread where you posted, WVU told you that there were openings around Pittsburgh.

It's been talked about ad nauseum on this board lately about market saturations, particularly around major cities. You may just have to move to some place less desirable for a while.
 
pharmd09pa said:
hI, everyone:
I would be graduating in May, but as of right now I don't have any Rph job lined up. Been working for walgreens, but the philly market got so saturated that I'm yet to get an offer. Been applying to other retail places about 3 weeks ago, and they all say there's no need, so frustrated......started to apply other states now...any other people have similar experiences or any other job suggestions? thanks
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Now you have a good reason to leave that awful state.
 
Have you tried hospital pharmacy in your area? The pay may be lower, but at least you'd have a job coming out of school. And if that doesn't work, try Texas (North Texas). I always hear of people getting offered jobs in retail pharmacy there.
 
Sorry to sound like a navie pre-pharm, but aren't there any work-from-home opportunities available so you don't have to move out of state?
 
browneyes021 said:
Have you tried hospital pharmacy in your area? The pay may be lower, but at least you'd have a job coming out of school. And if that doesn't work, try Texas (North Texas). I always hear of people getting offered jobs in retail pharmacy there.
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Not so much North Texas. East and West Texas are short big time. You can still get a 30k bonus there. I am talking cities like Midland, Odessa, and Longview. Texarkana is in North East Texas and I know several pharmacies there that are in need.

If you want to move you will have no trouble finding a job.
 
I definitely wouldn't be panicking yet. You still have 2 months until graduation! You're just going to have to alter your criteria. Are you willing to flex with the type of position you apply for or the exact location?
 
pharmd09pa said:
hI, everyone:
I would be graduating in May, but as of right now I don't have any Rph job lined up. Been working for walgreens, but the philly market got so saturated that I'm yet to get an offer. Been applying to other retail places about 3 weeks ago, and they all say there's no need, so frustrated......started to apply other states now...any other people have similar experiences or any other job suggestions? thanks
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Your posts are pretty annoying. I mean no ****, the philly market is saturated. You guys only have 4 pharmacy schools in the city? and a billion more in the state? What were you expecting after you graduate?

You can either offer to work night time or ask to relocate.
 
philly is horrible. i recommend leaving it. i am working in philly and from a hospital standpoint, there are no openings coming any time soon. major cutbacks, positions have been cut along with budgets.

i dont know why anyone would choose to be in philly, but i recommend you leave it.
 
Philly's stank. Nobody showers or brushes their teeth there.
 
i certainly emphatize with your situation. The job market is tough in metro areas. good luck in finding a job suitable for your needs
 
So we've established Philly sucks and North Texas kicks ass.

What are the other hot/not-hot areas (other than simply rural/urban)?
 
meister said:
I'm sure you could get a high paying job in Detroit!
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Ever since I came to Michigan, I feel kind of trapped in a bubble. I really loathe leaving Ann Arbor because of the scary things outside! My friend's a medical student at Wayne State and she told me that someone pulled a pin of a grenade at the Detroit Medical Center ER. Thankfully it didn't explode because the security guards they hire are ex-military/cops and knew how grenades worked. I hope that guard got a huge raise.
 
ffpickle said:
So we've established Philly sucks and North Texas kicks ass.

What are the other hot/not-hot areas (other than simply rural/urban)?
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stay away from DE, NJ, PA, NY. Rutgers pumps out about 300 pharmacists a year into a saturated market. since it is so heavily dense and within close proximity to PA and NY schools of pharmacy, it adds to the super saturation. DE has become saturated as a result. PA opened new pharmacy school at Jefferson and Drexel might be following soon. Do not go anywhere near that area. Midwest and south are the best. They are more progressive. Easy coast is very behind and lacks the push for change in the profession within the given states.
 
PharmaTope said:
stay away from DE, NJ, PA, NY. Rutgers pumps out about 300 pharmacists a year into a saturated market. since it is so heavily dense and within close proximity to PA and NY schools of pharmacy, it adds to the super saturation. DE has become saturated as a result. PA opened new pharmacy school at Jefferson and Drexel might be following soon. Do not go anywhere near that area. Midwest and south are the best. They are more progressive. Easy coast is very behind and lacks the push for change in the profession within the given states.
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I fullheartedly agree. As one of the 240 from Rutgers in 2008 (our class was actually originally 400 in 2002), I just don't get why these pharmacy schools continue to accept/graduate 250+ a year. Do these schools not realize the job market situation in the immediate area? I guess they just don't care and get as many people to pay their tuition as possible. And don't get started about these new schools popping up. IT ABSOLUTELY MAKES NO SENSE. We here in NJ already have a glut of pharmacists and the situation won't get any better anytime soon. I may be forced to leave this state as a result but its sad how these schools don't react to the over-supply/decreased-demand for pharmacists in the tri-state area.

I feel like having graduated last year I was the last ones in the "gold rush" of pharmacy. Now the well has run dry (also due to the economy) and all these new kids coming out are gonna have to seriously consider relocating if they want a decent job.

Here's my suggestion:
-Only graduate 150 students a year
-These new schools have to reconsider opening
 
jachen84 said:
Here's my suggestion:
-Only graduate 150 students a year
-These new schools have to reconsider opening
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You are going to have to get the government involved for them to even think about it. No way would they voluntarily cut the classes down or not open
 
Kruton said:
You are going to have to get the government involved for them to even think about it. No way would they voluntarily cut the classes down or not open
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And thats not going to happen unfortunately. It seems like we (and our field) continue to get shafted left and right and don't fight back. We have to realize that our livelihood is at stake.
 
jachen84 said:
I fullheartedly agree. As one of the 240 from Rutgers in 2008 (our class was actually originally 400 in 2002), I just don't get why these pharmacy schools continue to accept/graduate 250+ a year. Do these schools not realize the job market situation in the immediate area? I guess they just don't care and get as many people to pay their tuition as possible. And don't get started about these new schools popping up. IT ABSOLUTELY MAKES NO SENSE. We here in NJ already have a glut of pharmacists and the situation won't get any better anytime soon. I may be forced to leave this state as a result but its sad how these schools don't react to the over-supply/decreased-demand for pharmacists in the tri-state area.

I feel like having graduated last year I was the last ones in the "gold rush" of pharmacy. Now the well has run dry (also due to the economy) and all these new kids coming out are gonna have to seriously consider relocating if they want a decent job.

Here's my suggestion:
-Only graduate 150 students a year
-These new schools have to reconsider opening
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Agreed. Me too. I consider myself as one of the last classes to be employed.
 
thank god for being single, and willing to relocate. (and drag my girlfriend with me). 😛

Honestly, there are plenty of jobs for those who are willing to relocate, and it doesn't have to be as extreme as going to Alaska. Somewhere in the midwest will do. And I love midwest, hate large costal cities.
 
meister said:
I'm sure you could get a high paying job in Detroit!
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What makes you think Detroit isn't saturated?

Best bet for bountiful opportunities would be any location most pharmacy students would not like to "practice." Excluding all urban areas. (Every urban area has a suburb in close proximity.)
 
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Detroit is probably not saturated because no one wants to live there. Of all the large cities in the Midwest, it is in the worst shape. That city has more or less collapsed.
 
genesis09 said:
Detroit is probably not saturated because no one wants to live there. Of all the large cities in the Midwest, it is in the worst shape. That city has more or less collapsed.
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It's in extremely bad shape. I wouldn't go there. Just to get a sense of how bad of a shape it is in -- the median home sold in detroit in december is $7,500. That's right, a year of pharmacy school tuition will by your 2 homes in detroit.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-detroit-housingjan29,0,5435392.story
 
xiphoid2010 said:
It's in extremely bad shape. I wouldn't go there. Just to get a sense of how bad of a shape it is in -- the median home sold in detroit in december is $7,500. That's right, a year of pharmacy school tuition will by your 2 homes in detroit.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-detroit-housingjan29,0,5435392.story
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When I visit my friend's at the medical school there, there are guards everywhere, but supposedly they don't do anything. Also, I love how a lot of the buildings I see in detroit are boarded up. My friend also said that her roommate saw someone supposedly stabbed outside her apartment.
 
genesis09 said:
Detroit is probably not saturated because no one wants to live there. Of all the large cities in the Midwest, it is in the worst shape. That city has more or less collapsed.
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So like I said, what makes you think the place isn't saturated? If stores are cutting hours and the economy is in the ****ter what makes you think they need pharmacists there? Like I said originally, all urban areas have a suburb in close proximity.

Think about how many people across the US live in suburbs and commute to the city for work. I'm sure you'll find most healthcare professionals who work at urban hospitals do not live within city limits.
 
FORTLIVINGROOM said:
So like I said, what makes you think the place isn't saturated? If stores are cutting hours and the economy is in the ****ter what makes you think they need pharmacists there? Like I said originally, all urban areas have a suburb in close proximity.

Think about how many people across the US live in suburbs and commute to the city for work. I'm sure you'll find most healthcare professionals who work at urban hospitals do not live within city limits.
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Probably better than the hot spots in California...
http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/jobsea...IT1.x=19&SUBMIT1.y=18&SUBMIT1=Search+for+Jobs
http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobResults.aspx?IPath=PIKGV&sc_cmp1=js_navg_ncn&lr=cbga_dna&ncn=%5eDetroit%24&APath=2.21.0.0.0&ff=21&excrit=freeLoc%3dDETROIT%2c+MI%3bQID%3dA6656195064749%3bst%3dA%3buse%3dALL%3brawWords%3dpharmacist%3bTID%3d0%3bCTY%3dDetroit%3bSID%3dMI%3bCID%3dUS%3bENR%3dYES%3bDTP%3dDRNS%3bYDI%3dYES%3bIND%3dALL%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bPAYL%3d0%3bPAYH%3dGT120%3bPOY%3dNO%3bETD%3dJTFT%3bETD%3dJTPT%3bETD%3dJTCT%3bETD%3dJTIN%3bRE%3dALL%3bMGT%3dDC%3bSUP%3dDC%3bFRE%3d30%3bCHL%3dAL%3bQS%3dSID_GADNA003%3bSS%3dNO%3bTITL%3d0%3bJQT%3dRAD%3bJDV%3dFalse
I'm not a fan of careerbuilder.com. They have crazy listings, like employers that I've never heard of in areas that I am very familiar with. It's too bad that I can't find a Detroit newspaper that doesn't use careerbuilder.com.

The article that was linked earlier about the average home selling for $7,500 in Detroit did a lot of comparing between Detroit and New Orleans. Honestly, I don't think New Orleans is nearly as bad off, because from all of the extensive property searching that I do on realtor.com., it doesn't really compare. For example, one of my faves is a house selling for ~$1million a block away from where I live on a main street. Whenever I do a search on realtor.com in Detroit, the most expensive single family house in all of Detroit is ~$850,000 (for a house, not a condo). http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Detroit_MI/type-single-family-home

I'm not an expert in real estate, but I can still see the differences.


As a person living in post-Katrina New Orleans, Detroit will probably "come back" at some point or another in my opinion. Culture brings a lot of people to less-than-perfect areas even after disastrous events, and I think that Detroit has potential. They probably need a good gimmick, though. Every "expensive" listing on realtor.com talks about this "prestigious" place called Indian Village, so maybe they can reinvent some areas with the same allure that Indian Village has. It takes a lot of effort to clean out rotten houses and decaying properties, but they need to do something to revive the area.

Blah, blah, blah... 😛
 
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evilolive said:
When I visit my friend's at the medical school there, there are guards everywhere, but supposedly they don't do anything. Also, I love how a lot of the buildings I see in detroit are boarded up. My friend also said that her roommate saw someone supposedly stabbed outside her apartment.
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wayne state med school right? I remember driving to interview.... couldn't find my way around city but couldn't see any place look safe enough to stop and ask for directions. 🙁 Yeah it was pretty bad, and that was few years ago, and it has gotten worse since then.
 
xiphoid2010 said:
wayne state med school right? I remember driving to interview.... couldn't find my way around city but couldn't see any place look safe enough to stop and ask for directions. 🙁 Yeah it was pretty bad, and that was few years ago, and it has gotten worse since then.
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There are a lot of crappy things that happen to the school (but people put up with it no matter how unhappy they are because it's still an MD), and the students put together every year a comedy evening of 9 months of video editing, producing clever dramas that satirically attack the school's problems. Something awful happen to your class such as all rotations being at one site instead of the old variety to save money? Have four exams in one week? The clip breaks to a faculty member or administrator exclaiming: "you got Wayne'd!". The videos were hilarious and well done 🙂 The people there are so smart and clever, it's just a pity that the institution itself is often affectionately described as a hellhole that everyone can't wait to ditch upon graduation.
 
PharmaTope said:
stay away from DE, NJ, PA, NY. Rutgers pumps out about 300 pharmacists a year into a saturated market. since it is so heavily dense and within close proximity to PA and NY schools of pharmacy, it adds to the super saturation. DE has become saturated as a result. PA opened new pharmacy school at Jefferson and Drexel might be following soon. Do not go anywhere near that area. Midwest and south are the best. They are more progressive. Easy coast is very behind and lacks the push for change in the profession within the given states.
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The rust belt in PA is great, north of Pittsburgh, south of Erie, west of Philly, middle of nowhere, but close enough to cities to keep the hourly rate up. 4 offers upon graduation, get calls about every two weeks from headhunters for other jobs while at my workplace.
 
pharmd09pa said:
hI, everyone:
I would be graduating in May, but as of right now I don't have any Rph job lined up. Been working for walgreens, but the philly market got so saturated that I'm yet to get an offer. Been applying to other retail places about 3 weeks ago, and they all say there's no need, so frustrated......started to apply other states now...any other people have similar experiences or any other job suggestions? thanks
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why can't you just become a floater? you should apply to other districts with walgreen's. i'm sure they'd love to help you since you know IC+
 
xiphoid2010 said:
wayne state med school right? I remember driving to interview.... couldn't find my way around city but couldn't see any place look safe enough to stop and ask for directions. 🙁 Yeah it was pretty bad, and that was few years ago, and it has gotten worse since then.
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can someone give me the demographics on that city please, i am not familiar.
 
Well, in Philadelphia, there are many undesirable areas that I think you could get work!!! What about

1. Camden, NJ
2. North Philadelphia
3. Chester, PA
 
Megas said:
The rust belt in PA is great, north of Pittsburgh, south of Erie, west of Philly, middle of nowhere, but close enough to cities to keep the hourly rate up. 4 offers upon graduation, get calls about every two weeks from headhunters for other jobs while at my workplace.
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The night shift pharmacist where I work told me that she was offered a job to work the graveyard in McKeesport or Homewood in Pittsburgh, they'll pay you a ton ($70/hr)...and give you an armed escort to and from your car...because its McKeesport...you know...you'll get shot...for real.
 
PharmaTope said:
can someone give me the demographics on that city please, i am not familiar.
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I'm pretty sure it's exclusively middle-to-upper class blonde haired, blue-eyed white people. Almost certain.
 
type b pharmD said:
dont forget to buy a gun first.
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Wow, you guys are a bunch of 'fraidy cats.

I live in Detroit and I work at the hospital that was mentioned upthread AND I was there for the handgrenade incident. The hospital is a critical care hospital and we see a lot of crazy cases for sure. Last year a guy "car-jacked" an ambulance outside of the hospital and yes, there was a patient in the ambulance at the time. Personally I love the drama, so I guess to each his/her own.

The bonus at our hospital is all of the pharmacists are 50/50 staff/clinical. So you're never subjected to drug distribution and order verifying. And we don't sit in the basement.

The Detroit area is starting to get saturated (at least hospital-wise, I've never checked into retail jobs). Most of the hospitals around here--even the ritzy Oakland County one--are looking for ways to tighten the budget, which commonly translates into a hiring freeze. Still, you will see some job openings. There is a new hospital that opened up in Novi (I think) which is in Oakland County and there are still positions available, and I get a postcard every other month from a cancer center around here that is looking to fill positions.

As for the city itself, no, it's not for everyone. Only the strong survive here, so if you're a nervous nelly, maybe look into rural areas where you don't have to practice in an urban environment.
 
pancreas said:
As for the city itself, no, it's not for everyone. Only the strong survive here, so if you're a nervous nelly, maybe look into rural areas where you don't have to practice in an urban environment.
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Yes...the strong...those rugged pharmacists willing to live on their paltry 6-figure income in a town with a low cost of living...:laugh:
 
Looks Like We Got A Rx Thug For Life. D12 + 1.
 
I seem to remember getting a brochure from CVS about "Market Visits" this year for areas in need, and 1 of the areas was in Pennsylvania. Forget where though.

Jobs from around where I am (Arkansas/Texas) seem to be plentiful. I also had a job offer in south Florida. You can find plenty if you're willing to move.
 
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