Grand Rounds Presentation- Research

[Pr1d3D0c]

I am a MS2 currently doing a Research Fellowship that concludes with a presentation of that research at department grand rounds. My question is, does this presentation count as a presentation for residency applications?

I am unsure if this summer work will go all the way to publication honestly; I took on this seemingly competitive fellowship far away from my home institution in hopes to have a big publication to show for it so I am a bit concerned about the lack of resume worthy details to add (although the experience overall was absolutely phenomenal).

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[WedgeDawg]

Yes, just list it as a grand rounds presentation

 

[Low Flow]

Similar situation happened to me. I did the research project, did a grand rounds presentation, but nothing lead to a publication. Ended up using the project to do a couple more poster presentations back at my home institution. It was still great experience and I listed the grand rounds presentation on my residency application.

 

[Dr. Doctor MD]

I am a MS2 currently doing a Research Fellowship that concludes with a presentation of that research at department grand rounds. My question is, does this presentation count as a presentation for residency applications?

I am unsure if this summer work will go all the way to publication honestly; I took on this seemingly competitive fellowship far away from my home institution in hopes to have a big publication to show for it so I am a bit concerned about the lack of resume worthy details to add (although the experience overall was absolutely phenomenal).

I would say no. That's not a presentation at an official conference.

You can add it to your CV and label it as such, but I don't think it would be honest to list it under research items (posters, pubs, presentations) since you're not presenting at a real event or anything that went through some sort of selective process. Otherwise everyone could say that any powerpoint is a "presentation" and most people do a dozen of those throughout MS3/4 anyways. For example most rotations have a presentation requirement at the end. These don't count, at least that's my understanding.

Edit: I would ask your program director how to handle it and if it counts. I'd be interested to here what he/she recommends

 

[WedgeDawg]

I would say no. That's not a presentation at an official conference.

You can add it to your CV and label it as such, but I don't think it would be honest to list it under research items (posters, pubs, presentations) since you're not presenting at a real event or anything that went through some sort of selective process. Otherwise everyone could say that any powerpoint is a "presentation" and most people do a dozen of those throughout MS3/4 anyways. For example most rotations have a presentation requirement at the end. These don't count, at least that's my understanding.

I strongly disagree. I think that if you're sure to include the fact that it was a grand rounds presentation, you're not being dishonest about anything. A grand rounds presentation is a bigger deal than a powerpoint presentation that you do during your medicine clerkship or whatever. Grand rounds is an organized academic event that even senior faculty are expected to attend because the presenter is going to bring original academic value to those present. It's something that requires ample preparation and decent speaking skills, and is often based upon a great deal of individual work.

When PDs look at your research in ERAS, they don't just blindly count up the # of presentations/pubs/whatever and count them all as equal things. It's up to them to decide how much value they ascribe to a grand rounds presentation. Some will think it's a big deal, some won't, but you get 0 value if you don't list it. Again, as long as your open and honest about the fact that it is a grand rounds presentation, then PDs will be able to evaluate it as they wish.

If it is important enough to list on a CV, it can conceivably be important enough to list on ERAS. No one lists their 5 minute topic presentation on how furosemide works at the end of their medicine clerkship on their CV. People universally do list their grand rounds presentations on their CV.