Gregory House School of Medical Science

[xmsr3]

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This entire med school admissions process is driving me nuts, the second guessing all my essays, wondering what my LORs say and how they will be taken by adcoms. So here is something I pledge.

If my secret super long term plan to become a billionarie succeeds I will open my own school of medicine, the Gregory House School of Medical Science, located in Honolulu Hawaii.

I will fund the school with a perpetual trust and it will have the following unique features.

1. Apply through AMCAS, just to save everyone time.
2. No secondary fee, in fact no secondary at all.
3. All we care about is MCAT and science GPA, in fact we add the two scores up and then rank every candidate, ties are broken based on who applied earlier.

We don't give a damn about ECs, PS, LORs, if all you did in college is study your ass off and get a 4.00 and 38 MCAT, then you deserve to be rewarded with a guranteed spot in med school, and a free ride all the way through and we are the school to do it.

4. Each class size is 300, top 300 students in terms of MCAT+sGPA get in.
5. The school has a website that shows the current rankings, so you can see what your score is and where you rank.

For example, if you see that 200th place is occupied by someone with a 3.8 sGPA and 33 MCAT and you have a 3.9 sGPA and 35 MCAT go ahead and apply, and you will be guranteed a spot as long as people with higher stats don't jump in front of you and bump you below 300.

6. No interviews

7. THE NUMBER ONE REASON TO APPLY, 100% free tuition, books, lab fees, room and board, plus we pay your airfare to Hawaii.

I would predict that the unique features of this school, along with the transparency of the instant and public rankings would drive the best stats students in the country to the Gregory House School of Medical Science, U of Washington would have nothing on us.

Avg GPA 4.00, AVG MCAT 38 or 39

8. To live up to the ideals of the ficticious character our school is named after, each student would be forced to study on a regimented schedule and take exams at regular intervals to ensure they will pass USMLE steps 1,2, 3 and to get scores in the top 10% percentile.

In other words, 100% pass rate for all students at all levels and the most qualified residency candidates in the country.

9. If I was rich enough I would also open an adjoining hospital, (also funded by perpetual trust) called Spock Medical Research and Treatment Center, a world class medical facility, that was 100% free to patients, and included exceptional research and residency oppertunities to our graduates.

In other words, ours would be a school for those who don't want to put up with the subjective bull**** of essays, ECs and LORs and not knowing if you'll get in.

If your stats are good enough we will gurantee you acceptance, give you a free education and even allow you to complete your residency and get board certified within the same, non subjective system.

We would follow the ideals of Gregory House, ie supreme competance in everything you do, with an emphasis on purely empirical and logical treatments. And in the process, we would produce world class physicans and scientific breakthroughs and prove once and for all that the subjective admissions process used by other medical schools is nothing more than a blatent money making system.

I believe that at least one such school should exist and I will make it my mission in life to make the Gregory House School of Medical Science and adjoining Spock Medical Research and Treatment Center a reality.

Now I would like to know, assuming you had high enough stats to get in, (automatic acceptance) would you apply to the Gregory House School of Medical Science?

 

[hoot504]

sounds reasonable

 

[Hoody]

I voted no. Although I like you xmsr3, and your plan sounds good in theory, there is sooo much more to people than GPA/MCAT. And I have a feeling the diversity would be next to nill, a bunch of prima donna white boys from the most prestigious boarding schools who were served pre-med puree on a silver spoon. 😴

My dream of being a doctor is so important to me that I will get into school...somewhere. Or die trying.

 

[schrizto]

You have quite the imagination. Why Hawaii, of all places?

 

[corbis11]

sounds lame as hell, no

 

[Charles English]

a class size of 300 is horrible.



and i think you meant Wash U (around #7) not U wash. subtle, but profound difference.



the general idea is interesting . it would be like going to school with 299 D__chebags though. way too many for my tastes.

 

[movax]

Numbers only, sounds awesome 🙄

Give it two months before someone realizes that numbers do not correlate to competent, mentally-stable people. (****, just send someone through state school for a bio major, force them through MCAT prep classes, and they'll probably make it in).

 

[redlight]

sounds like a recipe for disaster
day 1 of med school, class photo:

4 years later:

 

[xmsr3]

I voted no. Although I like you xmsr3, and your plan sounds good in theory, there is sooo much more to people than GPA/MCAT. And I have a feeling the diversity would be next to nill, a bunch of prima donna white boys from the most prestigious boarding schools who were served pre-med puree on a silver spoon. 😴

My dream of being a doctor is so important to me that I will get into school...somewhere. Or die trying.

I salute your enthusiasm, I am the same way😀

And as for the idea that there would be no diversity I must disagree with that. Are you saying the women's GPAs are lower than men's?

Or that white people do better on standardized science exams than other ethnicities?

I disagree and here's why my school could very well be diverse.

1. I will lower the class size to 50, (to improve the quality of personalized education and support).
2. It will be a school for the elites, in terms of stats. There are plenty of URM and women who have perfect GPAs and high MCATs and do you think they will not apply?

Remember this is a tuition free environment, located in Hawaii, where you recieve personalized help, support and are pushed academically, but only to ensure that you succeed and succeed magnificently.

Every single graduate from this school would have $0 debt, the reward for doing so well in college.

And as for for the idea that high stats people are prima donnas, Washington U has the highest stats in the country, median MCAT 38, median GPA 3.9, and from what I have heard they are very nice people.

So all those who pigeon hole high stats applicants as a bunch of pompous, elitist, rich white boys, I ask you to look in the mirror and ask yourself:

Why do you assume that women and URM don't do equally well as white men? And why do you assume that smart people are *******s?

And lets not forget one simple fact: There are 126 medical schools in America and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM goes through the subjective application process, (or at least claims to)

Should there not be at least 1 school for those who chose too focus primarily on grades?

It seems to me that they represent and URM😀

 

[thedoctor8706]

I would come only if Dr. House was a teacher. I only want to be half as smart as that character...

 

[schrizto]

Hey, it looks like the results are pretty even now. It wasn't like that before.

 

[dru2002]

Some people with high stats are very normal people and would make great doctors. Others however should not be doctors. This is why interviews and LOR are so important. They help to show what type of person is applying not just their numbers. Wash U does have excellent stats but they also evaluate the candidate as a person so they don't end up with a very smart very ineffective physician. (Full disclosure: I have a 3.54 GPA and a 29 MCAT)

 

[deleted202457]

I'd apply in a heart beat. I feel like there should maybe be some schools that are more focused on numbers. I feel that some people are able to focus on numbers and not just be robots. There are people that just enjoy learning about the human body and being scientists that work to solve the mysteries of each disease presented by the patients. So I'd definately attend 🙂

 

[Charles English]

with a class of 50 now, i could handle the potential 49 other d___ches. we're talking free tuition here.


i'm in👍

(although i can't change my original vote)

 

[phonyreal98]

Nope. Can't be just top 300 in terms of MCAT and GPA. He invites 300 "accepted students" (the top in terms of GPA+MCAT) to a program in before MS1 gets started and whittles them down, reality show style, to fifty.

 

[xmsr3]

Nope, no reality school format. Top 50 applicants in terms of MCAT+sGPA= accepted and get free flight out to paradise, free education and room and board.

Oh, and did I mention I will try to steal away the best professors in the country to teach the courses? Hopefully if I am rich enough I can double their research budgets and create a world class school the equal to Hopkins, just located in the nices place on earth🙂

 

[KeyzerSoze]

And as for the idea that there would be no diversity I must disagree with that.
(...)
Or that white people do better on standardized science exams than other ethnicities?

You're joking, right?

 

[Aggro]

You're joking, right?

That is the most depressing chart I've ever seen.

 

[xmsr3]

OK so it seems Asians and Whites do best at stats, I'll admit that.

3 points though.

1. Remember there are 50 spots. We are looking for the highest possible stat applicants. Out of the thousands of URM applicants there must be a couple that have monster scores, and they will have a place here.

2. Based on the 2003-2008 AAMC stats, our school would probably be dominated by an equal mix of Asians and Whites.

I would like to point out that this is more diverse than most schools which are overwhelmingly white.

3. Bottom Line, our school is about academic excellence, PERIOD

We don't look at race, (what does that have to do with being a good doctor?)

We don't care about volunteer experience, (the clinical experience you get volunteering at a hospital is crap anyway and you'll get plenty in 3rd and 4th years and as for your time volunteering at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter this won't help your patients any and so is superfluous)

We couldn't care less about essays, (which all sound the same anyways and are mostly BS with applicants writing what they think we want to hear).

Same with LORs, (which basically say that an applicant is smart and hard working, well guess what, GPA and MCAT tell us this, but without subjective opinion).

The Gregory House School of Medical Science makes no apologies for the make up of its class or its applicant methods.

Ours is a school that dosn't care about money or political correctness. We accept the best and the brightest and give them a world class oppertunity to purse pure scientific medical excellence.

No tution, no financial burden of any kind, no excuses, just world class doctors treating patients in world class facilities and doing world class research.

Given the fact that there are schools that cater to African Americans, Latinos, Catholics, Rural Primary Care Docs,ect. There deserves to be one school that is about pure academic excellence.

By the way, I am not some stats super star, I don't have a 4.00 GPA and my MCAT is only ok, so I would not be able to get into my own school.

 

[Aggro]

So your school would weigh a 4.0 at a state school renowned for grade inflation as it does a private school renowned for grade deflation? Oh snap, looks like everyone at BU and Vandy and Penn just got screwed out of GHSoM because all the kids at Arizona State are jacking the spots.

 

[KeyzerSoze]

OK so it seems Asians and Whites do best at stats, I'll admit that.

3 points though.

1. Remember there are 50 spots. We are looking for the highest possible stat applicants. Out of the thousands of URM applicants there must be a couple that have monster scores, and they will have a place here.

The top 50 applicants will almost certainly not contain any URM's.

2. Based on the 2003-2008 AAMC stats, our school would probably be dominated by an equal mix of Asians and Whites.

I would like to point out that this is more diverse than most schools which are overwhelmingly white.

Source, please?

3. Bottom Line, our school is about academic excellence, PERIOD

That's funny, because medicine isn't about "academic excellence, PERIOD".

We don't look at race, (what does that have to do with being a good doctor?)

Turns out that it can have a lot to do with it. Do some research.

We don't care about volunteer experience, (the clinical experience you get volunteering at a hospital is crap anyway and you'll get plenty in 3rd and 4th years and as for your time volunteering at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter this won't help your patients any and so is superfluous)

Helping patients is not the ostensible purpose of requiring volunteer experience.

We couldn't care less about essays, (which all sound the same anyways and are mostly BS with applicants writing what they think we want to hear).

Good essays do not all sound the same, and the interview can determine whether it is BS or not.

Same with LORs, (which basically say that an applicant is smart and hard working, well guess what, GPA and MCAT tell us this, but without subjective opinion).

Again, good LOR's say a lot more than that.

The Gregory House School of Medical Science makes no apologies for the make up of its class or its applicant methods.

Ok, so you do know that in the real world Dr. House would be in jail, sans medical license, don't you?

 

[xmsr3]

The top 50 applicants will almost certainly not contain any URM's.



Source, please?



That's funny, because medicine isn't about "academic excellence, PERIOD".



Turns out that it can have a lot to do with it. Do some research.



Helping patients is not the ostensible purpose of requiring volunteer experience.



Good essays do not all sound the same, and the interview can determine whether it is BS or not.



Again, good LOR's say a lot more than that.



Ok, so you do know that in the real world Dr. House would be in jail, sans medical license, don't you?

Here is the AAMC data regarding stats and race: http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgparaceeth08.htm

Please note that Asians and whites are running pretty much neck and neck, so there would be URM, just predominantly Asians.

Second, you state that race does make a difference in terms of the quality of doctors. Could you please explain and or reference that?

Third, my entire reason for posting this thread is to make the case that the subjective way med schools do things is a money manking scam that DOES NOT really examin "the entire candidate".

Essays, LORs, even interviews can be scammed by someone who knows what they are doing.

Until a person is actually in med school you won't know the kind of person they are.

Besides, I am quiet sure that most people are sufficienctly not crazy so that the top 50 stats applicants would make fine doctors at least as good as the average grads from an average med school today.

 

[Hoody]

Don't forget the Hawaiian natives can be a lil' difficult to get along with...importing a bunch of overachieving, upper elite whites who are promoted as the best thing to hit the Island isn't going to win over the Island people much. Just sayin...

 

[Hoody]

Please note that Asians and whites are running pretty much neck and neck, so there would be URM, just predominantly Asians.

Asians are URM's in medicine? Coulda fooled me.


And just for the record, there is soooo much more diversity than just ethnicity.

 

[Kimaris]

I have to admit that the title made me gigle. But I really doubt I would have the grades to get in.

 

[jkurtz02]

Here is the AAMC data regarding stats and race: http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgparaceeth08.htm

Please note that Asians and whites are running pretty much neck and neck, so there would be URM, just predominantly Asians.

Second, you state that race does make a difference in terms of the quality of doctors. Could you please explain and or reference that?

Third, my entire reason for posting this thread is to make the case that the subjective way med schools do things is a money manking scam that DOES NOT really examin "the entire candidate".

Essays, LORs, even interviews can be scammed by someone who knows what they are doing.

Until a person is actually in med school you won't know the kind of person they are.

Besides, I am quiet sure that most people are sufficienctly not crazy so that the top 50 stats applicants would make fine doctors at least as good as the average grads from an average med school today.

There is evidence that people trust a doctor of the same race and will open up to them more. Just with the fact that this doctor has more information makes them a better doctor even if a doctor of another race is actually a "superior doctor".

You're idea that the subjective stuff is a money making scam is an oxymoron. If it was truly a money making scam then everything would be based purely on number even though ADCOMs say they are not. So you would actually agree with that. The fact that the "best numbers" don't get in is proof there is some subjective factors taken into account. Also as someone mentioned a 4.0 at every school does not mean the same thing. Now I am not saying a person with a 4.0 from a state school deserves to be looked at no differently than a 3.5 from Penn, but keep in mind that 3.8 from Penn may be smarter and learned much more than 4.0 from XSU. You can't really say the MCAT is the great equalizer either. I got about what I feel I should have on my actual MCAT, but I have a friend who is much smarter than me who I beat by 4 points, that is a significant difference when it comes to the MCAT, so one test can have plenty of variance. If you really want pure numbers based everyone would have to take the test like 3-5 times and average them all to determine really who is the best.

Next essays and LOR are very important. It is very important as a doctor to be able to communicate with your patients. If you can't right a basic personal statement communicating your desire to go into medicine how are you going to be able to let your patients know what is going on and how to procede. Being able to work well with others is a very important part of medicine too and that I believe is really the point of the LOR. Having someone who has seen you in a working environment be able to determine how you work with others.

That is just my take on this idea of an admissions process (there is plenty more, but I'll stop here). I am not sure if this was suppose to be a joke or you are just really bitter that you didn't get into places that you had the average stats for, because you are devoid of personality, but whatever it was not well thought out.