Harvard vs. WashU vs. Case Western

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Case Western has historically been extremely competitive in matching people into ophtho. I would pick them if you're set on Ophtho or Harvard if you want more flexibility in case you change your mind.
 
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Quantal Reasoning said:
Case Western has historically been extremely competitive in matching people into ophtho. I would pick them if you're set on Ophtho or Harvard if you want more flexibility in case you change your mind.
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Match data doesn’t seem to be substantially better especially when you strip out Cleveland Clinic Lerner. What makes you say that Case Western has substantially better match in ophtho?
 
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socloseithurts said:
Match data doesn’t seem to be substantially better especially when you strip out Cleveland Clinic Lerner. What makes you say that Case Western has substantially better match in ophtho?
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It's not about the Lerner students; it's more that Case has a nearby Cole Eye Institute for the Cleveland Clinic, which is a top 10 residency program. You will see many students who come out of Case or Cleveland Clinic who match into Cole. The fact that there are excellent research opportunities right there would probably translate into greater resources and success at other top ophtho programs (Miami, Jeff, Iowa, etc..)
 
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socloseithurts said:
Match data doesn’t seem to be substantially better especially when you strip out Cleveland Clinic Lerner. What makes you say that Case Western has substantially better match in ophtho?
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You sure?

2018 CCLCM Ophtho match:

University of Arizona College of Medicine at South Campus

Case 2018 Ophtho match:

Massachusetts Eye & Ear Infirmary Boston MA
Massachusetts Eye & Ear Infirmary Boston MA
Case Western/Univ Hospitals Cleveland Med Center Cleveland OH
Case Western/Univ Hospitals Cleveland Med Center Cleveland OH
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Cleveland OH
Ohio State University Med Center Columbus OH
U Arizona COM Phoenix AZ-CCLCM Match
Beaumont Health System - OUWB

Still seems exceptionally strong to me
 
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Quantal Reasoning said:
You sure?

2018 CCLCM Ophtho match:

University of Arizona College of Medicine at South Campus

Case 2018 Ophtho match:

Massachusetts Eye & Ear Infirmary Boston MA
Massachusetts Eye & Ear Infirmary Boston MA
Case Western/Univ Hospitals Cleveland Med Center Cleveland OH
Case Western/Univ Hospitals Cleveland Med Center Cleveland OH
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Cleveland OH
Ohio State University Med Center Columbus OH
U Arizona COM Phoenix AZ-CCLCM Match
Beaumont Health System - OUWB

Still seems exceptionally strong to me
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Great data! Thank you for sharing.
 
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minimato said:
It's not about the Lerner students; it's more that Case has a nearby Cole Eye Institute for the Cleveland Clinic, which is a top 10 residency program. You will see many students who come out of Case or Cleveland Clinic who match into Cole. The fact that there are excellent research opportunities right there would probably translate into greater resources and success at other top ophtho programs (Miami, Jeff, Iowa, etc..)
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If you look at Doximity rankings of residency reputation, Harvard ranks #5, Cleveland Clinic is #16 and WashU / Barnes Jewish is #17. Seems like Cleveland Clinic and WashU are roughly on par. If you are trying to match to a residency program (not necessarily top, but just one of them), how much of an advantage do you think Harvard would give you vs. WashU or Case Western. Average indebtedness at Case Western is significantly higher than WashU or Harvard as they are much less generous with financial aid. The numbers in MSAR are understated by the fact that they count the indebtedness of CCLCM students in their calculation. Any thoughts or do you think the Doximity data is off in terms of reputation. If so, what do you think is a better source for judging ophthalomology program strength and prestige?
 
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socloseithurts said:
If you look at Doximity rankings of residency reputation, Harvard ranks #5, Cleveland Clinic is #16 and WashU / Barnes Jewish is #17. Seems like Cleveland Clinic and WashU are roughly on par. If you are trying to match to a residency program (not necessarily top, but just one of them), how much of an advantage do you think Harvard would give you vs. WashU or Case Western. Average indebtedness at Case Western is significantly higher than WashU or Harvard as they are much less generous with financial aid. The numbers in MSAR are understated by the fact that they count the indebtedness of CCLCM students in their calculation. Any thoughts or do you think the Doximity data is off in terms of reputation. If so, what do you think is a better source for judging ophthalomology program strength and prestige?
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If you are trying to match into a residency program, then you can go to any US medical school and be good to go if you have a good record (STEP1, research, good clinical rotations, etc...). If you want to go to the top, then sure, going to a top med school will help with that. Looking at residency match lists also isn't the only indication of a program's strength because it is more based on student priorities and preferences. I don't see much of a difference in your residency prospects if you attend any of these three institutions - you're probably a bit more set with Harvard because of its name-brand. You can also score lower on your boards and be able to get into an ophtho residency from Harvard and maybe WashU.
 
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Have you actually been accepted to any of these schools with full tuition from each? WashU said they don’t do full rides too often anymore
 
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Yes I have been accepted to some of them and interviewed at others. When I said assume full tuition I meant that assume I will have to pay full tuition costs out of my pocket, not that I have received full tuition scholarships. Case / Harvard do not do full tuition scholarships as far as I'm aware.
 
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All 3 schools will offer you great opportunities when it comes for residency, no matter what field you choose, as long as you do well in medical school. If you are interested in a joint degree, there might be differences in what each school offers - there are certainly more resources at Harvard.

Also consider the curriculum at each school and how you think you learn best.

You should certainly consider wherever you will be happiest, in terms of your support system/family, etc.

Boston/Cambridge may be what you are looking for, but the area is not for the faint of heart. If you have not lived there before, you may be shocked by cost of living in the area. And driving and parking in Boston and Cambridge suck. The "T" somewhat makes up for it, but only if you can easily walk to a T station, and areas near T stations are usually expensive.
 
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Master Thinker said:
Harvard! Don't know why you're even considering the other choices.
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I'm guessing they were accepted to the other two end still waiting to hear from Harvard since Harvard hasn't sent acceptances yet (they send them in March). Of the other two I'd go to the cheaper between case and wash u (I'm guessing it'll be wash u unless you get a dean's scholarship at case and no aid at wash u). If you get into Harvard then go there. I don't think it really matters what specialty, they will get you places. Personally I'd probably choose wash u if it was cheaper since it was the one i felt like I'd be happiest at of the 3. If cost was no different then it would be a more difficult choice.
 
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littlefishbigpond3270 said:
on my interview day WashU said they give 40 full ride scholarships every year (that includes like 20 MSTPs though)
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yeah and the students I met on interview said they chose wash u due to their very generous aid making it one of their cheapest options. Wash u has one of the lowest graduating debts out of all medical schools so I highly doubt they're suddenly gonna stop.
 
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littlefishbigpond3270 said:
on my interview day WashU said they give 40 full ride scholarships every year (that includes like 20 MSTPs though)
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On my interview they said they were giving fewer free rides than previous years but more partial tuition scholarships, so that more of their class could access aid. They still do free rides but I’m under the impression that they’re more rare/harder to get.
 
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