Help me choose a career

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Perrotfish

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Alright, it's just about that time: I need to decide what I want to do for a living. I'm looking for opinions. This is going to be way too long for anyone to read, but that's really y'all's problem and not mine.

Rotations I've done: Psych, Medicine, Family, Ortho Surgery, General Surgery, Peds, Neuro, Emergency Medicine, and Ob/Gyn (3 weeks down, 5 to go)

Top 3 choices, right now: Peds, Psych, Emergency Medicine

About me: military HPSP, step 1 score a couple of points below the average, no honors or failures in any rotations (all HP except for a P in surgery), and I'm in a race against time to get some research on my otherwise barren CV. I'm deeply religious and would like to one day get involved in mission work. I'm definitely not a workaholic, I didn't particularly love clinics, and I hated the OR.

Pros and Cons of my top choices:

Peds:

Pros: This was one of only two rotations where I actually enjoyed being in the hospital and the only one where I liked more than one patient in ten. I was actually anxious to talk about my patients when I was off. The hours, though not particularly short, didn't seem very rushed (there was a lot more conversation between the docs). Also I feel like Peds gives me the most options down the road. In Peds I don't need to choose EM, or Neuro, or whatever right now, because there is a Peds fellowship in pretty much everything. Finally I really liked neonatology. Peds is definitely a strong favorite right now.

Cons: Well, the main issues are money and length of training. I don't see myself as a generalist, as to become a Peds subspecialist I would be looking at 6 years of residency and fellowship for a relatively modest financial reward. Also as I mentioned above, the hours don't seem particularly good. I'm worried I'm going to be 50 years old and wake up wondering how I poured my entire life into a hosptial and ended up with crap savings and no personal life. Finally I had really good attendings for this rotation and I'm worried that that is unfairly biasing me towards Peds as a career and that I'll hate it at a worse site.

Psych:
Pros: This was the other rotation where I enjoyed being in the hospital, and felt like I saw the physicians making a significant impact on their patients' lives. The training is shorter and much less intense than I would have to suffer through with Peds. The financial rewards are better and way better when you look at them in terms of dollars per hour. Finally I'm in the military and Psych training is much easier to get in the military than the other careers I'm considering.

Cons: Depressing in a way that Peds isn't. The patients get better, but they're never exactly good. The patients are, almost by definition, difficult and non-compliant. Also I can't shake the feeling that Psychiatrists are 'fake doctors', I feel like I'd always wonder if I chose psych because I was just too dumb to manage the complexities of drug regimines and flid boluses.

EM:
Pros: A lifestyle specialty. Great pay relative to the hours, and even the residents only work 4 days a week. I loved shift work, and I found out I particularly love night shifts. The opportunity to consistently sleep in the sunlight is, wierdly enough, one of the biggest draws for me to this profession: I have real trouble getting to sleep at night that for some reason evaporates when I go to sleep at ten in the morning and I would seriously consider rearranging my career just to stop feeling tired when I wake up (Is there night shift work in Peds? Anyone?). I liked the ADD atmosphere and, while I can't say I particularly loved the hospital, it was nice to be in a cynical atmosphere where everyone admitted that they wanted to go home. Finally of the three professions that I'm interested in this is the only one that feels 'impressive' to me without fellowship training, and the only profession that I feel like would give me the financial freedom to fund major charitable projects, or the free time to do a lot of volunteering without quitting my job.

Cons: I feel like this would be the cynical choice for a career. I also think the constant waves of hopelessness that flow through mak this profession a spiritual dead end. On the other hand, maybe I'm being unfairly biased because I worked at a Charity hospital in a major city? Maybe the quality of patients is better in a more rural ER? I did feel like shift work made me drag my feet and I think that might get worse with time. Also EM is very difficult to get in the military, so this might be a pipe dream in any event. Finally, as I said earlier, while I liked the hours I didn't particularly like the actual minutes. Even 3 shifts a week is a lot when you don't particularly want to go into work in the morning (or evening, whatever)

So: thoughts? Perspectives? Any professions I haven't tried that I should be setting up rotations in? I haven't looked at Gas, Rads, or PM&R to name a few. I feel like just writing this out helped a little. I feel a little more sanguine about my Peds SubI. So I guess the real question is whether or not I need to set up either a Psych subI or another EM rotation. I'm thinking no to EM, but I can't decide on Psych.
 
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anesthesia, rads, and path are the only sane specialty choices
 
Finally I really liked neonatology. Peds is definitely a strong favorite right now.

Cons: Well, the main issues are money and length of training. I don't see myself as a generalist, as to become a Peds subspecialist I would be looking at 6 years of fellowship

that's great you like neonatology, but how many NICUs are in the military? I don't know much about this but it doesn't seem the military is knocking on doors for this skillset

Psych:
Pros: This was the other rotation where I enjoyed being in the hospital, and felt like I saw the physicians making a significant impact on their patients' lives. The training is shorter and much less intense than I would have to suffer through with Peds. The financial rewards are better and way better when you look at them in terms of dollars per hour. Finally I'm in the military and Psych training is much easier to get in the military than the other careers I'm considering.

and again, coming from someone not in the military who has worked in a VA, it seems like psych is very much in demand in the military. Lifestyle is great and residency is short too, which is nice. I think your reasons for dismissing psych are weak - sure it doesn't have the same prestige as EM, but you're still a doctor.

Also EM is very difficult to get in the military, so this might be a pipe dream in any event.

that's the million dollar statement. From what I've heard from my friends in the military (who *shock* want to do EM), it is really really hard to get. It doesn't seem like you are a gunner type, and it seems like you need to be as much a gunner for EM in the military as for derm in the civilian world :laugh:

Oh, and specialties like neo and Peds ICU have shift work from what I can tell.

Anyway, in your shoes I'd choose psych. Lifestyle is good, patients are interesting, there is demand for it in the military, and you could definitely do some service, mental health issues are a big, and unaddressed, problem worldwide. Maybe you could do a child/adolescent fellowship if you really like to work with kids. I'm starting to consider psych more myself.

Good luck with your decision!
 
Psych!

It seems you're more likely to find well paid work in psych than the other areas.

Plus who knows if any future neuroscience breakthroughs will make psychiatry mondo cutting edge?
 
Go into EM, less mid-level encroachment plus you can pick up and move anywhere whenever you want to. Rads has that same luxury.
 
Do peds. From what you're saying, you would find it the most rewarding. If money is a big issue, then think about neonatology. It actually pays fairly well.
 
EM NPs....... :idea:

Bro/Sis, there is practically a NP for every specialty in medicine. Don't be surprised when you see some basic surgery NP down the road. I wouldn't put anything pass these politicians. I don't think people value flexibility/mobility until they are knee deep in something they don't like. You should always have an out for anything you do, even medicine.
 
First of all, is it clear that you'll be able to do a residency in the specialty of your choosing, or is there a good chance you'll have to serve as a GMO for 3-4 years? That might change up your options a lot.


~Kalyx
 
Do peds. From what you're saying, you would find it the most rewarding. If money is a big issue, then think about neonatology. It actually pays fairly well.

I second that.

Psych is one of those specialties where I feel that listing pros and cons is not the way to go, you either have to really be into it or look elsewhere. Those guys are masters at dealing with difficult and non-compliant patients and wouldn't put that as a "con" on any list. Watching them deal with someone with bipolar or borderline is like watching a mental game of professional tennis, and if you don't enjoy the game you're not going to fare well. Also, if you're concerned about compensation psych is not a great choice.
 
Huh, I'm so the consensus seems to be Psych with a minority that thinks I should either do Peds or sign up for a radiology rotation. Well, I guess I'll be setting up another Sub-I in Psych, then.

that's great you like neonatology, but how many NICUs are in the military? I don't know much about this but it doesn't seem the military is knocking on doors for this skillset

They actually have surprisingly good NICUs, since military doctors provide the medical support for military families. Marines do two things, and the other one requires a significant number of OBs, Pediatricians, and neonatologists.

vasca said:
I find it strange that there isn't a lot of ER positions in the military. Who is the first doctor that sees injured soldiers at a military hospital?

Military hospitals don't really run ERs because they don't admit from the general population and therefore it doesn't make sense to run ambulances out of them. While a few of the biggest hospitals have (very underused) areas designated as ERs most of the patients are either admits or directs transfers.
 
OP,

You said you're deeply religious. I can't quite figure out why I feel this way, but a religious pediatrician makes more sense to me than a religious psychiatrist.

Is this crazy?
 
OP,

You said you're deeply religious. I can't quite figure out why I feel this way, but a religious pediatrician makes more sense to me than a religious psychiatrist.

Is this crazy?
Ask a psychiatrist.
 
You don't seem like the psychiatry type at all, just based on your posts. That's not meant to be an insulting comment at all, but it just doesn't seem like your style. Given that peds leaves your options wide open from this point, and you're not completely sold on one thing, it seems like your best options. You're choosing, but you're not locked into something really specific.
 
Psych:
Pros: This was the other rotation where I enjoyed being in the hospital, and felt like I saw the physicians making a significant impact on their patients' lives. The training is shorter and much less intense than I would have to suffer through with Peds. The financial rewards are better and way better when you look at them in terms of dollars per hour. Finally I'm in the military and Psych training is much easier to get in the military than the other careers I'm considering.

Cons: Depressing in a way that Peds isn't. The patients get better, but they're never exactly good. The patients are, almost by definition, difficult and non-compliant. Also I can't shake the feeling that Psychiatrists are 'fake doctors', I feel like I'd always wonder if I chose psych because I was just too dumb to manage the complexities of drug regimines and flid boluses.

I think something to remember regarding your "con" list is that most clerkship rotations are inpatient-based with very little outpatient exposure. The majority of patients receiving psychiatric services (whether that be medication, therapy, or both) will never be admitted to an inpatient unit. If you can fit it into your M4 schedule, you might want to consider doing an outpatient psych rotation to see the difference in patient populations.

Regarding feeling like a "fake doctor", there have been several threads in the SDN psychiatry forum about the same concern. Do a search and you'll see some good responses from the residents and attendings who post there.
 
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