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[MadSci]

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Hey people,
I got no job, have 2 months left Im going to loose benefits, health stuff etc..etc. 🙁
For the past 9mo Ive been looking for a job as academic cytopathologist and I wrote to more that 10 different programs, working with 3 recruiting companies and there is completely nothing. 5 programs responded that the position is already taken..tho it was posted just a day ago. 3 programs did not respond at all even after sending a second e-mail. The remaining 2 programs responded 5 mo ago that they will review my documents and since then silence. I did write back once and got no replies. So help me out here and ideas welcome.
ms

Ps I may not reply right away here however you can leave me a msg on my page at any time no need to register or anything just drop me a line in the Forums coffee lounge. thanx.

 

[dmdmd]

I am worried

 

[106174]

Are you on a J1 or H1 visa, perhaps?

I cannot imagine why it would be difficult to get a job in academia, regardless of what subspecialty you are in. Visa issues are the only thing I can think of that might hinder one from getting a job.

Have you checked out the University of Oklahoma? They are looking for a cytopathologist. Here is the link:

http://w3.ouhsc.edu/pathology/Careers/Positions.htm

 

[Ride a Bike]

I am worried

This post doesn't worry me at all. It sounds like sending out a bunch of CV's and emails isn't the best approach to getting a job. surprise, surprise... Perhaps picking up the phone and actually talking with people might be a better approach.

 

[MadSci]

no visa issue no such thing.. Oklahoma is known they interview since 5-6 mo ago.

talking with people ? You mean somebody picks a phone and talks with people about you..otherwise know any phones I can pick..cuz I not only sent CV I used Freida to get phones to call.Some just hang up on you ..some just say no..I guess they get like 100s of those a day. You know how it feels when they hang up on you like ..looser..but you will see..meanwhile if anyone knows where to look for such job let me know.
ms

PS I would suggest anyone looking for job in academic institute to start at least 2 years in advance it takes at least 3-4 mo to get an email back that they have just started interviewing another 2 mo to get invitation and schedule and at least 2 months to get a letter from them with decision...incredibly slow and bureaucratic..

 

[Gene_]

Maybe you should stop looking for a job as an "academic cytopathologist" and start looking for any job available. If that fails, you can do another fellowship. Perhaps then you can at least get your foot in the door somewhere.

 

[dermpathdoc]

Try Locums...military people are supplementing thier salalries with locums all the time..besides...locums gets you out in the region you want to work in and lets them see how you work.

Hey people,
I got no job, have 2 months left Im going to loose benefits, health stuff etc..etc. 🙁
For the past 9mo Ive been looking for a job as academic cytopathologist and I wrote to more that 10 different programs, working with 3 recruiting companies and there is completely nothing. 5 programs responded that the position is already taken..tho it was posted just a day ago. 3 programs did not respond at all even after sending a second e-mail. The remaining 2 programs responded 5 mo ago that they will review my documents and since then silence. I did write back once and got no replies. So help me out here and ideas welcome.
ms

Ps I may not reply right away here however you can leave me a msg on my page at any time no need to register or anything just drop me a line in the Forums coffee lounge. thanx.

 

[MadSci]

No offense my friend I know you try to help but think about it are you willing to settle down with any sht and sacrifice all of your dreams and the hard job you did so far..its not easy you know.

for example I had and interview in a private group 3 pathologist each one over 55y. Any positive diagnosis is sent to the local university, limited immunohistocheistry. All they do is sign out GI biopsies , PAP smears and few skins no contact with patients of physicians. Any challenging case goes to the university...hey you know what 3 years partnership, 200G salary..and you dont have to be expert pshyhologist to know that after the second year they will kick you out..not to give you the partnership...and one more thing there is clause that you can not work for another institution within 50 miles radius..so would you work for them..I just declined on spot.

 

[MadSci]

Try Locums...military people are supplementing thier salalries with locums all the time..besides...locums gets you out in the region you want to work in and lets them see how you work.

Yes may work if you dont have wife and 2 kids who need jobs and daycare..
I will try this as well.

ms

 

[mlw03]

how do you communicate in person? on here, your English is less than stellar. i'm not trying to be rude, but my point is that in academia you're dealing with residents, colleagues, and other physicians all the time. if they can't understand you, that makes you a much less desireable applicant. if endocrinologist wants to talk to you about the thyroid FNA he did 4 days ago and communication due to poor English is a barrier, that's bad for patient care and the clinicians will not want to deal with those pathologists.

 

[MadSci]

sorry I'm not born in USA, but I do work as hard as you to make this country better.
ms

 

[Gene_]

No offense my friend I know you try to help but think about it are you willing to settle down with any sht and sacrifice all of your dreams and the hard job you did so far..its not easy you know.

I still don't get it. You say you have a wife and two kids to support, you're pleading for job leads on an internet forum, and then you tell us you turned down a job offer. Personally, I'd rather sacrifice some dreams to keep a roof over my family's head and dinner on the table.

 

[mlw03]

sorry I'm not born in USA, but I do work as hard as you to make this country better.
ms

are you running for public office? what does that line mean? i could care less where someone is born - i care if they can do the job, and one of the most important aspect of being an academic pathologist is communicating with the clinicans pathologists serve. and in the US, that communication usually occurs in English. you come on here asking for help, and i make a legit point that your English skills may be holding you back. then you come back saying you work hard - no one accused you of not doing so. you've been looking for a job for a while now with no success, so you need to consider ALL aspects of why you're failing in that mission.

 

[106174]

i think it probably is the fact that you are an FMG.

weird though because a lot of academic pathologists are FMGs who speak and write very poor english. i do not know what gives...

whatever the case may be, i think this post reflects how bad the job market is in pathology. you will never hear radiology or dermatology residents, or even primary care residents, complain about not getting a job, specially in academia. i really cannot understand why we continue to delude ourselves that the job market in pathology is good. we have all been told for so many years now that a ton of pathologists are going to retire and there is going to be a big black hole that will need to be filled. well, it has not happened and i don't think it ever will, not when we keep producing way too many pathologists. i think that by not cutting down our residency slots, we are doing a disservice to our specialty, to our colleagues who we recruit with the promise of a bright future only to disappoint them when they face a miserable job market, to the primary care specialties who could actually be making very good use of the excess medicare funding that we get that should instead be theirs, and to the millions of patients dying (literally and figuratively) to have a primary care doctor in their community.

 

[djmd]

No offense my friend I know you try to help but think about it are you willing to settle down with any sht and sacrifice all of your dreams and the hard job you did so far..its not easy you know.

for example I had and interview in a private group 3 pathologist each one over 55y. Any positive diagnosis is sent to the local university, limited immunohistocheistry. All they do is sign out GI biopsies , PAP smears and few skins no contact with patients of physicians. Any challenging case goes to the university...hey you know what 3 years partnership, 200G salary..and you dont have to be expert pshyhologist to know that after the second year they will kick you out..not to give you the partnership...and one more thing there is clause that you can not work for another institution within 50 miles radius..so would you work for them..I just declined on spot.

While there is nothing that can keep them from doing that.. do they have a history of it?
Are you replacing someone? Or is it a new position? Yes, if they have had 5 people work their in the last 6 years... I would assume the worst.

What if one of the pathologist (or all of them) want to work less.. Or they plan on retiring in a few years.. I guess they would need to hire someone...

Ask them. Ask the techs. Ask other doctors...


And noncompete clauses are generally a non issue. They are impossible to enforce and you can always have the radius or time limit decreased (or ask to have the whole clause removed (or attached to a provision that only kicks in if you quit, verse them terminating you))

 

[Non-Trad DO]

I gotta tell you MS I agree that you probably should have considered taking the other job. On a different point...
MLW03 told you in his post that there was no "rudness" intended and then you bring up your work ethic out of nowhere... everybody here took psych at some point as you should have.
It may actually be the case that you lost your other job because of your "headstrong" (stubborn) attitude.
If I didn't speak Hindi I wouldn't try to go to India to try to teach medicine.😎

 

[106174]

where did you do your residency? was it at a community program?

if that is the case, this would support my belief that if and when we finally see the light and actually reduce the number of residency slots, the way to do it would be to shut down the community programs, and focus all the resources towards maintenance and improvement of the university programs.

 

[gbwillner]

Sorry... gotta call shenanigans on this one...

We've been hearing this story from you for some time MadSCi... you're desperate for a job and have kids to support and about to lose your benefits... You've been looking for MONTHS....

And then you say you got an offer for $200K/yr and you said no? You could easily have accepted the job and still kept hunting while being able to pay your bills.

You're either full of it or a complete *****. Sorry for my out-of-line opinion.

 

[twinkles]

I have to agree - it's not a sob story when you are refusing $200K jobs. Not exactly the stuff of even a made-for-TV movie. And quite frankly, even the big name academic pathology depts are fairly hard-up for warm bodies, whether they can communicate or not. While the job market is a little tough for pathologists as compared to other specialties, I gotta think if you can't get a job and go onto your third or fourth fellowship, then you probably had it coming.

 

[pathfreak]

Hey people,
I got no job, have 2 months left Im going to loose benefits, health stuff etc..etc. 🙁
For the past 9mo Ive been looking for a job as academic cytopathologist and I wrote to more that 10 different programs, working with 3 recruiting companies and there is completely nothing. 5 programs responded that the position is already taken..tho it was posted just a day ago. 3 programs did not respond at all even after sending a second e-mail. The remaining 2 programs responded 5 mo ago that they will review my documents and since then silence. I did write back once and got no replies. So help me out here and ideas welcome.
ms

Ps I may not reply right away here however you can leave me a msg on my page at any time no need to register or anything just drop me a line in the Forums coffee lounge. thanx.

I think you should turn to your mentor, senior colleagues at your training program for help. Because they are the people who know who is who in the field, they have connections and a phone call or a strong letter might change the situation for you.

Try contacting the programs in person, by calling them, you shouldnot have waited for months to hear from them ; to ring the panic bell in this forum.
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I would suggest dont turn down the next job offer, as they say "A bird in hand is better than two in the sky" especially when you have nothing to shoot 🙂 🙂

 

[MadSci]

Point well taken. I think we may stop at this point. Will post my expirience latter when I get something. As long as the job trust me guys all of you will turn down this crap..this was the worst place ever. Don't assume Im just plain stupid or something this place stinks..

 

[microdot]

Hey people,
I got no job, have 2 months left Im going to loose benefits, health stuff etc..etc. 🙁
For the past 9mo Ive been looking for a job as academic cytopathologist and I wrote to more that 10 different programs, working with 3 recruiting companies and there is completely nothing. 5 programs responded that the position is already taken..tho it was posted just a day ago. 3 programs did not respond at all even after sending a second e-mail. The remaining 2 programs responded 5 mo ago that they will review my documents and since then silence. I did write back once and got no replies. So help me out here and ideas welcome.
ms

Ps I may not reply right away here however you can leave me a msg on my page at any time no need to register or anything just drop me a line in the Forums coffee lounge. thanx.

Help me no find job.... me look leng tim. me spek linglish good. Me have felowsip and work hard in sytopathology.

Dude, would you hire yourself with this crappy ridiculous English. I cannot imagine the way you speak. How would a radiologist or surgeon understand any clinical information you were trying to convey.

Get a masters degree in English and take some writing classes. Stop scaring people with your bs horror stories and get a life.

This is not a fantasy forum. Find some other forums with tools and fools to practice your shenanigans you crazy douche.....

 

[yaah]

OK, let's tone down the bashing here. It is not productive, particularly after multiple people do it.

 

[mcfaddens]

Alright i flew thru most of what was posted, but if all else fails and you need to support your family, Go military, Get a job with the armed forces, I would go Air force, you wont see much if any combat, they need people, and the benefits are thru the roof. They pay for housing, great insurance, minimal malpractice garb (ie your government so you not gonna get sued) tax free food, gas, booze ect. On top of that when you decide that you have the skills (ie communication) to settle down in an area, you would have been there for a year or 2 get a feel for the path community. Make the contacts and do your thing. Its not the easiest road but its an option. And it looks like your running out of those. Give a ring to your local recruiter and talk about it. plus you will never have to worry about US/visa status ever again.

 

[MadSci]

Help me no find job.... me look leng tim. me spek linglish good. Me have felowsip and work hard in sytopathology.

Dude, would you hire yourself with this crappy ridiculous English. I cannot imagine the way you speak. How would a radiologist or surgeon understand any clinical information you were trying to convey.

Get a masters degree in English and take some writing classes. Stop scaring people with your bs horror stories and get a life.

This is not a fantasy forum. Find some other forums with tools and fools to practice your shenanigans you crazy douche.....

On this planet there are some other people than Americans you know and you have to get used to the idea that you will be communicating with all sort of physicians and patients. But I see you are still maturing and you have a long way to go..and by the way learn another language..I speak 3


I would like this post locked please. There is no point to keep it open the trolls are sniffing around.