High School Dropout to Medical Student - AMA

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Hello All,

One of my passions is helping students. Once I finish medical school, I hope to try to find a way to give back to students in need of some help/guidance. Our educational system is set up to benefit a select group, leaving many students out in the 'cold'. Nevertheless, you can succeed. As the title says, I dropped out of high school (and community college) and I am now in an M3 research year. The road hasn't been easy: I had a bad home life, experienced homelessness, failed on numerous (repeat: numerous) occasions...but I'm here. Any ?’s
 
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Hello All,

One of my passions is helping students. Once I finish medical school, I hope to try to find a way to give back to students in need of some help/guidance. Our educational system is set up to benefit a select group, leaving many students out in the 'cold'. Nevertheless, you can succeed. As the title says, I dropped out of high school (and community college) and I am now in an M3 research year. The road hasn't been easy: I had a bad home life, experienced homelessness, failed on numerous (repeat: numerous) occasions...but I'm here. My successes didn't get me into medical school. My failures got me into medical school.

If you are interested in hearing more, I recently did an apple podcast on The DoctorGoals titled "The epitome of losing to win".

I'll try my best to answer your questions within a reasonable time frame.
Congratulations on beating the odds. I agree that our education system tends to favor those with means. A good place to start may be letting future applicants know your GPA, MCAT, and other demographic information. What were the biggest problems and failures that you encountered, and what resources did you utilize to overcome them? What do you wish to have done differently in retrospect to avoid some of the mistakes made?
 
Congratulations on beating the odds. I agree that our education system tends to favor those with means. A good place to start may be letting future applicants know your GPA, MCAT, and other demographic information. What were the biggest problems and failures that you encountered, and what resources did you utilize to overcome them? What do you wish to have done differently to avoid some of the mistakes that you made?
Thank you very much for the kind words, and great idea!

Undergrad: ~3.4, 2.7 sci (~3.8 overall last 80 credit hours). I started community college with a F in both remedial math and college success skills (I didn't know resigning was an option and was no longer attending class due to not having a place to live). Graduated with a psych + philosophy BA
Graduate school: 3.67 (MS)
MCAT: 495, 505
Interviews: 4 MD, only could afford to go to 1. Got in 5 days after my interview. Called it a day.
Problems/Failures: Almost too many to count. But here are a few that immediately come to mind:
1. Educational background. When I started CC, I tested at an 8th grade reading and 3rd grade math level. I passed my GED (barely, by luck) but it took me a long time to get into the swing of things. I never studied a day in my life prior to starting CC, so I was a complete novice. What helped me to bridge the gap, I feel, was philosophy (I began reading regularly) and finding a few great mentors.
2. Finances. The higher up you go in education, the more homogenous it becomes. I worked 2-3 jobs all through undergrad and graduate school. I always had to prioritize work over my education, which put me at a disadvantage. At the end of the day, I just realized that my life wasn't changing and I just had to find a way to make it work.
3. Graduate school rejection. When initially applying to graduate school, I was rejected. I was devastated. I felt like I wasted 6+ years on nothing. To gain entrance to graduate school, I knew that I would have to go back to CC to finish my prereq's and take some more sciences for a cheap price...I felt like I went right back to where I started and it just crushed me for a while. But I learned a bunch from that experience and for that I'm grateful.

-Like I said, my journey was very long and had lots of twists and turns. I could get up to #100 with enough time, but those were what immediately popped into my head.

To avoid some of the mistakes I made, I wish I would have sought out a physician advisor sooner. I received terrible (soul-crushing) advice from my premed advisor and classmates. No one in my family has an education and so I had no idea what to do. I refused to be told "no" so I just stopped listening to the advice I was receiving and just decided to go at it alone. I probably could have sped up my journey by a year or three if I would have found a physician sooner. Now my motto is "only listen to people who have done it".
 
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  1. Is the podcast on Spotify?
  2. I'd love to know more about your graduate school program, if you don't mind me asking?
  3. What's your research on?
  4. Do any of your classmates know much about your life story? About how you fought tooth and nail to get where you are today?
  5. Do you feel the challenges of medical school, compared to your colleagues that may have been a traditional applicant, is easier to handle?
 
  1. Is the podcast on Spotify?
  2. I'd love to know more about your graduate school program, if you don't mind me asking?
  3. What's your research on?
  4. Do any of your classmates know much about your life story? About how you fought tooth and nail to get where you are today?
  5. Do you feel the challenges of medical school, compared to your colleagues that may have been a traditional applicant, is easier to handle?
1. It's on apple podcast under "The doctorgoals". It's also on doctorgoals.com
2. MS in nutrition science (essentially biochemistry). One of the best decisions I have made thus far in life. I was able to teach, tutor, and make a living while doing it. The program was flexible so I was able to take courses in immunology, physiology, neuroscience, etc.
3. Epilepsy and circadian rhythms. Dabble in addiction med.
4. Some do. I'm a non-traditional, older student so I tend to go home after I'm done. But I'd say some do, probably most by word of mouth I'd imagine. But it's not something I usually talk about on a regular basis. A classmate told me I only got in because someone felt sorry for me during my orientation week back in my M1 year, so I try not to mention it as much. A classmate who definitely knows is my wife (she's an M2 and why I'm taking a research year), she met me while I was living in a library.
5. Without a doubt. I excel at time management and keeping cool under stress. You can work me to the bone and I won't wince. So long as I don't have to clean another toilet I'm good. Step 1 pushed me a bit, mainly because I kept saying "There's NO WAY a person like me can pass this darn thing"...but I got it done.
 
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Wow. What a story. Would love to hear your podcast.
 
Wow. What a story. Would love to hear your podcast.
Thank you. It was my first one so I was nervous, but the doctor who interviewed me is just a phenomenal human being and made the whole process that much easier. She works her tail off to help people and bring people up. All of her podcasts are inspirational.

BTW: I was not paid or anything to do this. I did it simply to motivate/help people who may feel defeated or worn out.
 
This is fantastic and sad at the same time. Great story for your kids (if you guys decide to have kids)!
I agree! And thank you. We kick around the idea. Even adoption is a possibility. I feel like once we settle into a residency and have a paycheck we will be able to think about it more seriously.
 
Fellow GED recipient applying to medical school right now, just wanna let you know you're an inspiration and I hope to chime back in this thread with an interview and even acceptance some day.

Any tips on schools to apply to? My stats are similar to yours.
Love this! Congratulations on making it to this point. Approximately 95% fail to even get a 4 year degree (those were the approximate stats in my day). You should be proud of yourself.

You can’t go wrong with mission-based schools. Not solely because of your background, but I think they just tend to view applicants more holistically. My background gave me a passion to serve, so that’s the kind of school I gravitated towards. However, I received an interview from a top 40 as well. As with almost everything, it’s part skill and part luck. Don’t be afraid to message me at any time. Please keep me updated and nothing but the best!
 
A classmate told me I only got in because someone felt sorry for me during my orientation week back in my M1 year, so I try not to mention it as much.

I cant believe a fellow classmate, who probably talked all about their capacity for "empathy" during the application cycle, had the audacity to say that to you. I would have had some words if I overheard something like that, God. Probably one of the 22 year old matriculant, first-job-is-residency types.
 
I cant believe a fellow classmate, who probably talked all about their capacity for "empathy" during the application cycle, had the audacity to say that to you. I would have had some words if I overheard something like that, God. Probably one of the 22 year old matriculant, first-job-is-residency types.
Spot on assessment. Unfortunately, these personality types are not rare in medicine. At the end of the day, I just feel sorry for people like this. It wasn’t the first time I heard something like that, so I just brushed it off. The best revenge is to prove you belong, despite not being as “deserving”. I can control me, but not other people. Nevertheless, it’s disgusting behavior.
 
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Love this! Congratulations on making it to this point. Approximately 95% fail to even get a 4 year degree (those were the approximate stats in my day). You should be proud of yourself.

You can’t go wrong with mission-based schools. Not solely because of your background, but I think they just tend to view applicants more holistically. My background gave me a passion to serve, so that’s the kind of school I gravitated towards. However, I received an interview from a top 40 as well. As with almost everything, it’s part skill and part luck. Don’t be afraid to message me at any time. Please keep me updated and nothing but the best!

Thank you so much and will do. I applied to quite a few mission based schools but had to skip some due to cost.

Hopefully this cycle treats me well and thank you, same goes to you.
 
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