high step 1 score compensate for everything

[san2]

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im getting the impression talking to residents and pd's, that a high step 1 score will compensate for any failures in courses of the first 2 years. it would even compensate a dismissal from a us med school if it was because of failing preclinical sciences.

but this is all assuming clerkship grades and step 2 is done well also.

true?

 

[celkon]

no, just no.

 

[mmmcdowe]

im getting the impression talking to residents and pd's, that a high step 1 score will compensate for any failures in courses of the first 2 years. it would even compensate a dismissal from a us med school if it was because of failing preclinical sciences.

but this is all assuming clerkship grades and step 2 is done well also.

true?

Not true, wishful thinking in that chances of going through that and crushing the step 1 are statistically unlikely, as well as expecting a good score to blind the PDs from bumps along the road.

 

[red10]

if you fail preclinical, the chances of you doing well on step1 are greatly decreased. Step1 gets your foot in the door as far as interviews for residencies. But they are not everything SDN makes them seem

 

[just one]

Step 1 also does not make up for douchebag personality. Program director told me that hes turned away 250+ step scores because he wouldn't let them treat a dog let alone people.

 

[GladifImakeit]

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[turkeyjerky]

im getting the impression talking to residents and pd's, that a high step 1 score will compensate for any failures in courses of the first 2 years. it would even compensate a dismissal from a us med school if it was because of failing preclinical sciences.

but this is all assuming clerkship grades and step 2 is done well also.

true?

The answer to your question is, of course, no. The reason for this is that step 1 and preclinical courses (at least passing them) measure different, but related qualities. If someone is able to crush step 1, it signifies that they're pretty smart and able to study hard for at least a short, unstructured period of time. It does not mean that they're able to work hard for an extended period of time, on tasks which they might not be highly motivated to complete. The same person who blew off and failed multiple preclinical courses is likely to blow off required residency work, whether its related to patient care, outside reading/presentations, research or paperwork. That person is gonna be a problem resident which no PD wants in their program.

 

[GoSpursGo]

If, hypothetically, someone struggled for their first few years of med school but then managed to pull it together, crush step 1, and honor all of their third year clerkships... sure, that would look good, though obviously you're still a step behind the people who didn't have those hiccups. But as others have stated, the odds of someone going from failing to crushing step 1 and honoring all of their clerkships are relatively long, and I wouldn't count on it.

I don't know that anything would compensate for an outright dismissal from a US medical school. I think people can still do well at a foreign school in the ways you describe and wind up getting in, but they would not be as competitive as a US grad with similar scores who did not have that mark on their record.

 

[JackShephard MD]

The answer to your question is, of course, no. The reason for this is that step 1 and preclinical courses (at least passing them) measure different, but related qualities. If someone is able to crush step 1, it signifies that they're pretty smart and able to study hard for at least a short, unstructured period of time. It does not mean that they're able to work hard for an extended period of time, on tasks which they might not be highly motivated to complete. The same person who blew off and failed multiple preclinical courses is likely to blow off required residency work, whether its related to patient care, outside reading/presentations, research or paperwork. That person is gonna be a problem resident which no PD wants in their program.

I agree if you are failing courses there is a problem. Yet, not honoring courses during M1/M2 can be made up on Step 1. At least that's what I'm counting on, lol.

 

[RestoreSight]

im getting the impression talking to residents and pd's, that a high step 1 score will compensate for any failures in courses of the first 2 years. it would even compensate a dismissal from a us med school if it was because of failing preclinical sciences.

but this is all assuming clerkship grades and step 2 is done well also.

true?

Yup, except the dismissal part. That's pushing it!