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Hello,
are there are any ladies on SDN who wear a hijab/head scarf and have completed their OR rotation successfully or know of anyone who as???, if so please contact me via PM.
Thank you.
 
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sry2say why not say "people who wear head-scarves/hijab"? i know of people who are offended at being called "hijabis", it's not a country or an ethnicity, it's somebody's personal outerwear choice. 🙄
 
sry2say why not say "people who wear head-scarves/hijab"? i know of people who are offended at being called "hijabis", it's not a country or an ethnicity, it's somebody's personal outerwear choice. 🙄

🙁sorry, i apologize, its just a term me and my friends use ...didnt know others might find it offensive...........i will edit.... thanks for the heads up.....🙂
 
We have a few here at our school. I have seen some very creative means of maintaining modesty. The coolest way I have seen is to take a pair of surgical scrubs pants, wear them on your head waist band around the forehead, wrapping the legs around the neck, and tucking them into the top of the scrub top. Voila.. everything is appropriately covered and you are in appropriate OR garb.

You might want to check with your infection control department as they may have a more clever solution.

Good luck!
 
Wear the hijab cap and wear the surgical cap on top?

I have just started with med school, so I don't have any real experience with OR as of yet. If you do find something useful, please let me know!
 
i haven't done OR rotations yet, so i can't help u. but i remember the first time i had to use a stethoscope, it was very akward. first i tried to put it on over my scarf, but that didn't work (couldn't hear well), so then i had to do some manuvering to get it under the scarf.
 
I really don't desire to begin a firestorm here, but I feel compelled to ask:

Am I the only person who is thinking, "You are in America, in an American medical school, with certain manditory OR rules. Unless you can get yourself some sterile burkas or head scarves or whatever, lose the head gear. The OR mask and cap cover most everything anyway. So why not just get over it? If you chose to come to a school here, like everyone else, you might have to sacrifice a few things that you're used to."

Again, am I the only one thinking this? Or am I about to just get pummelled by the posters at large?
 
I really don't desire to begin a firestorm here, but I feel compelled to ask:

Am I the only person who is thinking, "You are in America, in an American medical school, with certain manditory OR rules. Unless you can get yourself some sterile burkas or head scarves or whatever, lose the head gear. The OR mask and cap cover most everything anyway. So why not just get over it? If you chose to come to a school here, like everyone else, you might have to sacrifice a few things that you're used to."

Again, am I the only one thinking this? Or am I about to just get pummelled by the posters at large?

Hijab for women has to cover the ears, hair and neck areas. Now I have seen many muslima physicians pull back their scarf near their ears temporarily to use the scope, so that can be argued, but I have no issue with that personally. As to the term burkha...please don't use it as it has no relevance to a majority of the muslim world (even traditionally from my part of the world, being Iran, where some wear the Chador and many others wear a Manteau).

(On a side note, many people mistake regional/local cultural norms with the Islamic religion...please look closer and you will truly discern the difference and see the diversity that exists within the Islamic world [we do comprise a third of the world's population]).

As to the "You're in America" comment, I would highly suggest a revision of the history of the US so that one may truly understand how this country came to be. Please don't make comments such as those, because it truly makes a person look ignorant. We had some ******* at my undergrad in UGA make a similar comment to someone speaking Spanish and assaulted him with dire results for the victim. Society, common sense and human decency does not tolerate such rude and close-minded attitudes.

I have seen many successful applications of hijab (which simply is a covering of any sort....so let us refer to the OR example. An excellent way to go about doing this is indeed having the cap pulled down closer around the ears, with the mask covering the side fairly well. A simple neck scarve or cloth of sorts can also be wrapped around the cervical area so as to provide ample coverage (lighter, cooler cloths would be most comfortable).

As to my background, I am a male Muslim. Men in Islam must also be adherent to hijab. We must have proper and adequate covering, and our hijab also extends to how we direct our eyes and conduct ourselves.


I am not speaking in tones of anger, so please do not misconstrue my meaning. I only speak from the p.o.v. of a blunt and educational statement of facts.

Wa salam to my sisters and everyone else.
 
Am I the only person who is thinking, "You are in America, in an American medical school So why not just get over it? If you chose to come to a school here, like everyone else, you might have to sacrifice a few things that you're used to."

Again, am I the only one thinking this? Or am I about to just get pummelled by the posters at large?

Hmm... what makes you think that the OP is not an American? Maybe she didn't "choose to come to a school here" as you suggest, but maybe she IS from here. Believe it or not, there are Americans who are not exactly like you yet who are just as American as you. If you do get pummelled by other posters at large, it is because your ignorant comment deserves it.

Sacrificing in order to do the job (eg exposing a bit of skin to get a stethoscope in the ears) is one thing, but there is no reason that in an OR a Muslim woman's modesty can't be maintained with an appropriate covering.
 
Again, am I the only one thinking this?

Your commentary just seems a bit ridiculous. I'd agree with you in some situations, but not this one. The OP's desire to wear her hijab in the OR has no effect on other people, including the OR staff or other students. It is certainly something that can be easily accommodated for, and the hassle of making sure she is covered with something sterile will be her problem and her problem only. It's also something that I'm sure has come up before, and I'm sure there are solutions to her issue.

When people are asking for special accommodations, or their personal situation is adversely affecting others, I would agree that it's annoying and inappropriate. But I don't think that this situation falls into that category, and I don't think the OP needs to be berated for asking a simple question. Furthermore, isn't the whole point of the USA to accept all religions, cultures and languages? So saying "you're in America" really isn't the best argument here.

OP, I think that if the other suggestions here don't work for you, you could always get a hijab that is used ONLY in the OR, and that would be acceptable. I don't know much about hijabs, so I don't know whether that would even be an option for you, but I do know that a lot people who work in the OR on a regular basis have their own scrub caps (not the disposable ones) and no one has a problem with them wearing them. Your head doesn't have to be sterile, your hair just has to be covered so it doesn't fall into the sterile field. As long as you can put a mask on over your hijab and tuck any lose ends into your scrubs, it should be fine.
 
Am I the only person who is thinking, "You are in America, in an American medical school, with certain manditory OR rules. Unless you can get yourself some sterile burkas or head scarves or whatever, lose the head gear. The OR mask and cap cover most everything anyway. So why not just get over it? If you chose to come to a school here, like everyone else, you might have to sacrifice a few things that you're used to."

Again, am I the only one thinking this? Or am I about to just get pummelled by the posters at large?

I agree to some degree. While I like to be tolerant of others' views, religious or political, no matter how inane or ridiculous they may be, how based in false rational or a perpetuated tradition which long ago lost its meaning at some point a line is drawn. Not sure where this one falls.
 
...the hassle of making sure she is covered with something sterile will be her problem and her problem only.

While I think that tolerance does have to have some limits, you make a very good point here.
 
You need to wear one of the scrub "hoods". Gentlemen who have beards will usually wear these in the OR. These hoods can be found next to the scrub caps. These will cover your entire head, chin and neck area. You can then wear a mask to cover your nose. Also be aware that you can't wear sleeves that come below your scrub top sleeves.
 
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I really don't desire to begin a firestorm here, but I feel compelled to ask:

Am I the only person who is thinking, "You are in America, in an American medical school, with certain manditory OR rules. Unless you can get yourself some sterile burkas or head scarves or whatever, lose the head gear. The OR mask and cap cover most everything anyway. So why not just get over it? If you chose to come to a school here, like everyone else, you might have to sacrifice a few things that you're used to."

Again, am I the only one thinking this? Or am I about to just get pummelled by the posters at large?

You've got a point. Kudos to the Islamic among us who are trying to have their cake and eat it too, but you've got a point.
 
I shadowed a surgeon and one of the other surgeons that we ran into used one of these things. She just had her head covering ends tucked under the collar of her scrub top and then the hood over the head coveringl. The ends of the hood wraped around the neck and the sterile gown covered everything else around her neck.

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There are so many things that med students do that are against Islam, but they choose to do it for the greater good of becoming a physician.

1. Mutilating a dead body
2. Paying interest on a loan
3. Shaking hands with people of the opposite sex who are not immediate family.
4. Missing prayers because you are in an exam or in the OR

While wearing a hijab-like covering (out of scrub pants as one poster suggested) is pretty do-able one wonders what these students (& eventually doctors) will do once their religious beliefs are not so easily accommodated.

p.s. I did all 4 of the above mentioned "sins"...Now I just have to try & save enough lives to make up for it 😀
 
You've got a point. Kudos to the Islamic among us .

LOL. What? the "Islamic"? ....Are you joking or do you seriously not read /watch the news/ speak english?

You might not get why this is funny to me, but this is kind of a silly/ uneducated way to say something.

And no, that poster did not have a legit point. America is America because its a melting point of people from different cultures/belief systems etc. There is specific way that things are done over here. If the OP wears a head scarf, then that is just as American as a baseball cap.
 
As njbmd said, there are hoods that cover the entire head, ears, and neck area. You can tuck into it any loose ends that may be sticking it out. It should be available in every OR; just ask for it. In my case, I had a special hijab I had tailored that i used during my surgical rotations that was a bit stretchy and tighter-fitting and was easier to wear under the hood. As far as the sleeve issue is concerned, upon entering the OR area I would roll up my sleeves and wear one of the nondisposable OR gowns that were readily available. If I was going to just observe, then I'd be all set. If I was going to scrub in, then I'd just take off the outer gown and scrub. My arms would be exposed only during that brief period between scrubbing in and getting gowned. Hope that helps.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with using the term hijabi. It's a term actually created by muslim women.
 
Sorry, my intention was not to spark a debate, i just wanted some personal advice from someone who has been through it, thats all. I dont not expect my school to bend backwards for me, rather it is my responsibility and my headache to figure out how i am going to make this work. I just want to be a good doctor and get the best education i can why trying my best not to compromise what i belief in and at the same time adhering to the rules in place by my school. I do understand how hard this might be and there will be times when it will just be impossible, ultimatley i still think this is a personal issue which is why i simply asked for those who have been there to PM me. Thank you all for the positive tips and inputs.

peace.
PS: I am an American.
 
I really don't desire to begin a firestorm here, but I feel compelled to ask:

Am I the only person who is thinking, "You are in America, in an American medical school, with certain manditory OR rules. Unless you can get yourself some sterile burkas or head scarves or whatever, lose the head gear. The OR mask and cap cover most everything anyway. So why not just get over it? If you chose to come to a school here, like everyone else, you might have to sacrifice a few things that you're used to."

Again, am I the only one thinking this? Or am I about to just get pummelled by the posters at large?
you are not, just most people don't have the nuts to stand up and voice their opinion. Thanks to all the fools who get all self-righteous and talk about how insensitive and ignorant you are, we'll soon be living in saudi arabia, it's already happening, they want their foot-washing basins installed in PUBLIC places, payed with PUBLIC funds, they are trying to practice their sharia laws in place of local laws, etc. etc.

Whatever happened to good old immigration policies when people who came over here actually wanted to become AMERICAN instead of trying to impose their customs on us?
 
Hmm... what makes you think that the OP is not an American? Maybe she didn't "choose to come to a school here" as you suggest, but maybe she IS from here. Believe it or not, there are Americans who are not exactly like you yet who are just as American as you. If you do get pummelled by other posters at large, it is because your ignorant comment deserves it.
God forbid you guys ever let someone down easily. Be more polite.
 
If the OP wears a head scarf, then that is just as American as a baseball cap.

hold the phone.

if someone wants to walk around wearing a sombrero or a kilt, who cares? wear what you want.

but that's not american, not by a long shot. that's just dumb. americans may WEAR kilts, but i imagine our scottish friends would take issue with calling kilt-wearing american.

similarly, wearing middle eastern head-gear is not part of american culture. c'mon, you knew that.
 
hold the phone.

if someone wants to walk around wearing a sombrero or a kilt, who cares? wear what you want.

but that's not american, not by a long shot. that's just dumb. americans may WEAR kilts, but i imagine our scottish friends would take issue with calling kilt-wearing american.

similarly, wearing middle eastern head-gear is not part of american culture. c'mon, you knew that.

The difference here is that the covering of the head is an expression of a religious value of modesty - not a geographic identity. It is not a "Middle-Eastern" thing, it is a Muslim thing. Muslims (like Christians) are not confined to one geographic area.

What makes America so great is that we are NOT all the same, and people who try to force us to be so should appreciate the irony of bashing "foreigners" who come from places that are despised because of governments that... try to make everybody the same.
 
God forbid you guys ever let someone down easily. Be more polite.

An attack on an American because they are "different" does not warrant politeness.
 
The difference here is that the covering of the head is an expression of a religious value of modesty - not a geographic identity. It is not a "Middle-Eastern" thing, it is a Muslim thing. Muslims (like Christians) are not confined to one geographic area.

What makes America so great is that we are NOT all the same, and people who try to force us to be so should appreciate the irony of bashing "foreigners" who come from places that are despised because of governments that... try to make everybody the same.

my bad. you're absolutely right. it's a muslim thing. which is fine.

that fact, however, still doesn't make it an american cultural thing.
 
With a few of the posters on here problems arise when you try and judge at other people's actions via your own personal value system. You may find some things more or less important than other people do which is fine, but it's important to actually understand where people are coming from (and why it makes sense based on their values) even if you don't agree.
 
OP's question answerned and now debate on something unrealted. Thread closing.
 
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