Holy cow, the SMP count is way up!

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In the interest of having current, relevant information on the SMPs for Fall '08 (oh, that I might be in med school instead, oh the paranoia that I won't), I'd like to start a collection of fresh info. I have found a TON of SMPs that haven't been mentioned in this forum. I count anything that is a graduate program aimed at med school applicants who want to improve their credentials. I'm not ruling out programs that are longer than 1 year, or don't have classes in the adjacent med school. I have not looked into programs at DO schools, yet.

Please add to this thread, after which I will bother braluk for a new sticky.

Starting with U of Cincinnati's program comparison chart:
Cincinnati
Georgetown
EVMS
Boston
Drexel
Loyola

We also have, in no particular order:
Tufts
VCU
Colorado State
Tulane Cell
Tulane Pharm
Tulane Genetics
Mt. Sinai
UMDNJ
Grand Valley MI
Barry
Northwestern
U of Toledo
U of South Florida

What have I missed?

Edit March 12: see this thread for most recent list: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=489913
 
Wow, after reading, I'm kind of in love with Mt. Sinai's program..does anyone know anything about the program: the % of kids that go on to med school, linkages, can it possibly be finished in one year, etc?

Oh, and to add

Johns Hopkins
 
At Tulane, to the best of my knowledge, the only SMP like programs are Tulane ACP and Tulane Pharm, or at least those are the only two I´m aware of with a linkage to the Tulane school of medicine. Of course, there´s a good chance I just didn´t notice the other programs, or that they send their kids somewhere else.

I personally don't have linkage as a requirement, but that's a good data point.

Methinks we need a matrix like Cincinnati's...
 
Deleted... I misread a website
 
any info on tufts?
 
any info on tufts?

I don't have anything beyond what's on the website yet, and I haven't seen any posts by enrolled students.

For expediency I'd suggest contacting the school directly and asking for what you need. And then please come back and post what you hear. 🙂
 
I don't have anything beyond what's on the website yet, and I haven't seen any posts by enrolled students.

For expediency I'd suggest contacting the school directly and asking for what you need. And then please come back and post what you hear. 🙂

hey guys,

i'm a current student in the tufts smp, so ask away or shoot me over a pm!
 
hey guys,

i'm a current student in the tufts smp, so ask away or shoot me over a pm!

Awesome. What's the class size?

There's no available data on minimum or average GPA or MCAT. If you have access to that kind of info, that's useful for my compilation.

Thanks!
 
can you rate the program?

1) The Pros and Cons of their program (structure of the program, learning environment, cost, location, faculty, classes, difficulty, competitiveness, other students, buildings/classrooms/facilities, etc..)
2) The kinds of classes you've taken and a description.
3) Something they wished they knew coming into the program
4) Something they would like to tell incoming students about your program
5) Tips for students applying to your program
6) Did it help you get into medical school/dental school/etc.?
7) Anything else you'd like to add
8) A rating from 1-5 (1 being the worst (no recommendation) to 5 (full recommendation)
 
The class size this year is 52 students. I'm not sure about minimums for mcat and gpa, but i've gathered that most students have in the high 20's, low 30's on the mcat and competitive gpa's as well. The program does include an mcat class (through princeton review this year), so if you're major downfall is your score, that should definitely help you out.

Because this is the first year of the program, I was a little scared coming into it, but it has been great so far. The classes are rough and the group is competitive, but that was expected. Find a group that you get along with and work well with because you will definitely need the support during the stressful times. This program has definitely taught me that I will survive medical school.🙂

The classes are:
1st semester...Biochemistry, Molecular Bio, Immunology, Cell Tissue and Organ Bio, and Intro to Clinical Medicine. (All of these classes are the exact classes and exams that the medical students take, with the same professors...just at different times during the day.)

2nd semester...Physiology, Anatomy, Pathology, Nutrition, Elective (has to be epidemiology if you're taking the MPH route...see below).

Get ready to work your butts off. There is no slacking off in this program...from day one, it is intense work. A lot of students were caught off guard because there are a few days here and there without classes so it seems like mini vacations. They're not...they're great catch-up days because it's easy to fall behind. Oh, also if a student scores below a 70 on the first exam in the class, they are offered group (twice a week) tutoring for that class.

The program is set up to be completed in a year, however, unless you have something else amazing on your application, they do not suggest applying the year of the program because the medical schools will not see anything different except the fact that you are an smp student (and your fall semester grades). They allow it and will support you, but they just wanted us to note that. The top 25% of the class is also granted an interview at Tufts, but that is for the following year as well. Also, you have the option here of filling out a simple app and completing your MPH the next year while you wait and are interviewing for medical school.

Boston is a great city and a great place for a university, so I have no complaints about the location...well, maybe just the weather here...
 
The class size this year is 52 students. I'm not sure about minimums for mcat and gpa, but i've gathered that most students have in the mid-high 20's, low 30's on the mcat and competitive gpa's as well...i'm really not sure though. The program does include an mcat class (through princeton review this year), so if you're major downfall is your score, that should definitely help you out.

Because this is the first year of the program, I was a little scared coming into it, but it has been great so far. The classes are rough and the group is competitive, but that was expected. Find a group that you get along with and work well with because you will definitely need the support during the stressful times. This program has definitely taught me that I will survive medical school.🙂

The classes are:
1st semester...Biochemistry, Molecular Bio, Immunology, Cell Tissue and Organ Bio, and Intro to Clinical Medicine. (All of these classes are the exact classes and exams that the medical students take, with the same professors...just at different times during the day.)

2nd semester...Physiology, Anatomy, Pathology, Nutrition, Elective (has to be epidemiology if you're taking the MPH route...see below).

Get ready to work your butts off. There is no slacking off in this program...from day one, it is intense work. A lot of students were caught off guard because there are a few days here and there without classes so it seems like mini vacations. They're not...they're great catch-up days because it's easy to fall behind. Oh, also if a student scores below a 70 on the first exam in the class, they are offered group (twice a week) tutoring for that class.

The program is set up to be completed in a year, however, unless you have something else amazing on your application, they do not suggest applying the year of the program because the medical schools will not see anything different except the fact that you are an smp student (and your fall semester grades). They allow it and will support you, but they just wanted us to note that. The top 25% of the class is also granted an interview at Tufts, but that is for the following year as well. Also, you have the option here of filling out a simple app and completing your MPH the next year while you wait and are interviewing for medical school.

Boston is a great city and a great place for a university, so I have no complaints about the location...well, maybe just the weather here...
 
I don't have anything beyond what's on the website yet, and I haven't seen any posts by enrolled students.

For expediency I'd suggest contacting the school directly and asking for what you need. And then please come back and post what you hear. 🙂

Hi so I called Tufts and talked with them a bit about the program the admission office was also nice enough to give me an email of a guy in the program so I have emailed him to see what he thinks about the program.
My main concern was whether or not I can apply to medical school during the program I felt like my credentials aren't bad (3.48 and 30 mcat) plus i am in a unique situation. lived in the Us for 4 years after I.D.F combat service lots of EC great rec' letters and an upward trend in grades... They didn't advice me to apply during the program but rather wait. However, she told me that people do it. On the other hand she told me the program is small and next years class is going to be around 70 people(compared to 130 or so in BU). You take classes with other people from the program and not with medical students (in BU you take classes with med students). The curriculum seemes to be the same as in other programs besides anatomy. Also, she emphasized that the classes and the exams are the same as the medical students exams. I guess i'll apply there plus I'll re apply really early next year and hope for the best.👍
 
i wish there was also a table with the deadlines for this program. do any of these programs have a year-round admissions process?
 
i wish there was also a table with the deadlines for this program. do any of these programs have a year-round admissions process?

Earliest deadlines I'm seeing are in March (for the following Fall).

Most programs are Fall start, full time only, but there are a couple that let you start spring semester. In general you're looking at mostly August starts, with the occasional February.

I have a pile of messy data that I'm getting organized, so bear with me for another day or so on getting a summary out.
 
Does anyone have any info on the NYMC program?
 
go on their site and u can request for a package in the mail
 
go on their site and u can request for a package in the mail

Thanks! I was wondering also though, about personal experiences in the program and how strong the linkage is with the MD program at NYMC. The site says:

"Students entering the program should understand that this is a graduate program and there is no guarantee of acceptance into the medical school of New York Medical College or into any other medical school. Nonetheless, students who do well in the program will be offered interviews at New York Medical College if the other elements of their applications are acceptable."

Now..is that a "guaranteed" interview as long as you do well? Is it for the year after the program or will it include a lag year? I guess I could just call the office and find all this out but I think they're probably really busy with all the apps right about now.
 
be great if u can call and share the info.
 
one more thing about the tufts program the assistant dean of admission told me that last year the avg GPA/MCAT was 3.3/28 so I guess it's kinda competitive....
 
On the other hand she told me the program is small and next years class is going to be around 70 people(compared to 130 or so in BU). You take classes with other people from the program and not with medical students (in BU you take classes with med students).

Not all of our classes are taken w/ the medical students. Some depend on when you take them too. Personally, I will only have 2/6 classes w/ the medical students. I was under this impression at first too and was a little bit disappointed that only 2 of my classes will be with the medical students. However, they claim that curriculum and grading scale is exactly the same (I am a little skeptical about that).
 
bump bump. deadlines coming up.
 
I am also applying to many of these schools. They may not be the UPENNs and Drexels of the world but I think they will do just as good of a job preparing people for professional schools. Also, they are much cheaper and you have the possibility of creating positive relationships with your professors at these schools.
 
I am also applying to many of these schools. They may not be the UPENNs and Drexels of the world but I think they will do just as good of a job preparing people for professional schools. Also, they are much cheaper and you have the possibility of creating positive relationships with your professors at these schools.

Um, actually, these SMPs ARE the UPenns and Drexels, and how odd that you group UPenn with Drexel... Plus, no, they're not cheap.

Here's the thread that got the updated list: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=489913
 
Sorry, That isn't exactly what I meant. It is just that most people immediately look into Drexel, UPenn, Cinci, Loyola, Georgetown when there are actually many others out there. Sorry for the confusion. Also, I would have to say that some of these are a little cheaper (outside of Drexel which is reasonable for the MSP). Cost of living isn't as high as well (for many of them).

Thanks for the list! It has seriously helped A TON!
 
I completed the USF program last year and will be heading to medical school in the fall if anyone has any questions about it.
 
Jvill,

I have my applications in right now for the IMS program. How did you like the program? Are you going to USF or are you heading elsewhere? What sort of scores did you see from the 15 in the program? Thanks for the help!
 
JVill,

Were there any Pre-dental students in your USF program?
 
Miami,

The IMS program requires you to take the MCAT. I believe the other masters programs allow you to use the DAT or GRE. I'm not sure which one JVill was in.
 
Sorry, I should have clarified, I did not complete the IMS program, but the one year M.S. in molecular medicine at USF. The main difference between them being that the IMS is essentially the entire first year with the M1's (w/o any patient contact) while the other program consist of graduate level courses. I'm not very familiar with IMS, but it is very intense and it carries no guarantees, not even for an interview (though I believe most of the participants are interviewed around the end of the cycle). I would say the M.S. program is easier than the IMS program, but my program was still very challenging. The courses are taken at the med school, from the med school faculty, often the exact same powepoint, but some of the differences are that we were required to know things in a little bit more detail in some cases, and our overall load wasn't nearly as heavy. I think the majority of the people were attempting to go to med school, but we had some that were trying to go to dental school, and a few chose to just put their credits earned in the master's toward a PhD program (which is a good aspect of the program).

As far as overall success rates go, I don't know for sure and I don't know if USF would know. We had some people get accepted to D.O. programs and a couple went to the caribbean. As for me, I retook the MCAT while in the program, got all new letters of rec, did research at USF, and continued volunteering. My ugrad science GPA was mediocre at best, but I got several interviews, including USF and UM, and have been accepted to a US M.D. program. I'm not sure where I'll end up yet, but I know I wouldn't be in w/o having done the program. There is also another person in the program that followed the route I did and has had similar success.

I think the differences between the M.S. program at USF compared to a more traditional SMP program were as follows: 1-it won't make up for a mediocre MCAT. We had people do extremely well in the program, but had poor MCAT scores so they still ended up choosing D.O. programs. Good grades combined with a good MCAT can lead to success. The good part is that the courses taken in the M.S. program, especially the biochem class in the first semester, make the bio section of the MCAT a walk in the park. I think it's very easy to improve your score being in these classes. 2-I think you have to go above and beyond the program itself to get into med school. In a more traditional program, the courses are so intense that just showing success grade-wise will probably get you far, but I think that those individuals who just expected to take classes then get into med school in this program weren't successful. Staying busy with things like research, volunteering, shadowing, etc. are great ways to "maximize" the program, and also to get to know the people around the med school, who might be sitting on the admissions comittee or writing you letters. The good part about this though, is that these opportunities are easy to get, you just have to have the initiative to ask and go after them.

Overall, I'm glad I chose the program, but I don't think it compares with a program like Georgetown, EVMS, or others like that. I think it fits students who are self-motivated and willing to extend themselves to succeed, and who may also already have the MCAT (or GRE or DAT) to get in, and maybe just need another year of difficult classes to push them over the edge. Good luck.
 
Jvill,

Thanks for your detailed synopsis. It was very helpful. I have my application in to the IMS program and I will also apply to the Masters of Molecular Medicine. Thanks again for the help.
 
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