Horse Handling/Restraint Advice

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For those of you out there who are proficient horse people...

I helped with a float today... and the horse wasn't having it. She wanted me to keep his head straight, but I couldn't even hold on to his head. At several points he picked his head all the way up and had me dangling off the ground.

What's the best way for a 120lb girl to handle an uncooperative equine? What signs (aside from the obvious stance and ears-laid-back stuff) should I watch for to know that the horse is about to rear/bolt/kick?

Cattle are worrisome too, but chutes are usually involved and that makes things much easier. Just pay attention when the bull comes through, and there's no 'handling' him usually... just climb the fence and GTFO of the way. :meanie:

Any other lightweights out there with some secret methods?
 
Horse handling? I don't know, I wish we could choose not to have them part of the cirriculum 😛

But cattle, you just have to keep your options open, make sure there is an escape point (and that you can actually escape). I did 2 weeks prac work on a droughtmaster stud working only with fully grown bulls (about 300 head) in 40degree heat (90+ % humidity) and let me tell you that was an experience and a half! Having a full grown bull stare you down on horseback while mustering, stamping its feet, eeek!

The farmers advice was "make sure you practice climbing all the fences". Low stress stock handling was virtually impossible with some of them.
 
As svendenhowser said, always make sure there is a clear escape route available, not just for you, but for the horse as well.

I have not had to do much with floating, mainly trimming on this end. The trainer I work for uses a set of "Blocker Tie-Rings" to hold the horse. The more it fights, the tighter the restraint gets. When the horse relaxes, the restraint loosens. It may help calm the horse if nothing else. However, this of course only works if you are doing the work at your own facility since they are permanently installed.

In your case, I am not sure whether this would help or not though. Since some horses are naturally jumpy, nothing more than tons of handling (and I mean tons) will help. In some instances, which I have seen, the horse may have to be sedated. There are not a whole lot of tips as far as I know...

Sorry for so little help...
 
sometimes horses have personal space issues and when they throw their heads around, they are letting you know they don't like you all up in their space. in my experience, when this happens, i just change my hold. if i'm holding on either side of their halter, i may switch to just holding the lead rope or some other variation. it also depends on the vet you're working with and the methods they prefer. some doctors i worked with required a twitch during nerve blocks, but other vets don't believe in the use of a twitch. 🙂 just watch out b/c an 80lb head thrown into yours is not a fantastic feeling. 😉 good luck!
 
Not to be a smart aleck, but wouldn't proper sedation be the answer to a horse that won't be restrained? That's been my experience with difficult floats/extractions. They're such an extremely strong animal - good luck.
 
You can't really hold a horses head down if they want it up. Did someone sedate the horse? Almost all the floats I've seen (with probably 10 different vets in 3 different states) had the horse sufficiently sedated that I was holding the head up, not pulling it down. The only non-sedated float I've seen was with an older school horse that was particularly cooperative and didn't mind. So the short answer....more drugs.
 
Almost all the floats I've seen...had the horse sufficiently sedated that I was holding the head up, not pulling it down.

Me too. Every float I've ever helped with the horse was sedated to some degree, and we always had some method of supporting the horse's head (either a stand or a triangle-shaped hanging support, which required some rigging but works well).
 
I don't have a ton of horse experience. But some of the basics I know of are horses have a blind spot not just directly behind them, but also directly in front of them. So the best way to approach them is diagonally instead of straight on (you probably already knew that, but I thought I would throw it out). I think some other things I have noticed (and a horse person might correct me) is that when horses are upset you will see more of the white of their eyes, nostrils flare, and they may twitch their tails more. I don't know if that helps-just some things I have noticed.

Cattle on the other hand, I have more experience in (specifically dairy-love my dairy cows!). Fortunately, most dairies no longer have bulls thanks to AI, so I really haven't had to deal with bulls much. There are different techniques to restraining a cow depending on what you are doing. One method if you need to draw blood from the tail or if you need to check out the udder is to "tail up" a cow. That is when you grasp the bottom third of the tail and push it straight up with all your body weight leaning into the cow. For some reason this freezes up the muscles in the back legs so they won't kick you. When you give shots in the hind quarter stand on the opposite side you are giving the shot so you don't get kicked. Move slow and talk softly. I think it's important to learn about the flight zone and point of balance when working with cattle too. It comes in handy when moving them.

I could go on and on about dairy, but those are some of the basics. Beef cattle are a whole different scenerio. They are more wild then dairy because they don't get handled daily, so I can't help you much there.

Hope that helps somewhat. Im sure some horse people can give you more info. Good luck!
 
You don't always sedate a horse for a simple float. My horse in particular coliced every time you sedated him (he was 28) so we did without any and were just patient.

my advice for holding a horse in that situation is judge the horse, are they quieter with their head with less restraint? Just like dogs that do better with a less grip horses are the same way. I typically am standing next to the horse with one hand on the halter where it connects at the nose ( to keep the head straight) and the other on top of the horses nose (to keep the horses head low), all my horses respond well if they start putting their head up i put pressure at the top of their nose right where the nose band hits (using my hand to put pressure on teh nose down, few horses respond well to being pulled down by the halter)
 
As GeeQued said, it really depends on the personality of the horse, whether they need more space or a "firm hand."
I gained my horse handling experience at an equine rehab facility that mainly deals with thoroughbreds injured off the track, and I am a big, BIG fan of nose chains and lip chains (actually feel uncomfortable handling most horses without them).
Also, you always hear about not standing in the danger zone behind a horse, but the same goes for directly in front. The front end can be just as dangerous as the back if the horse rears up, especially if you're already messing with the head, so stand a little to the side.
 
This horse was sedated three times... lol. We ended up using a twitch because he was really not enjoying having his bottom teeth done. This is a farm call type situation, so no installations are possible... I think this guy might have just been especially 'fractious' (the Dr. uses that word all the time, lol).

I just wasn't sure what to do - I was grabbing his ear and twisting it (per her instructions) and trying to keep his head straight, but he kept pulling his head up out of my grasp. He was sweaty too (it was over 100 here today... whatever that is in C) so it was so hard to hang on. She didn't want me grabbing the halter because it wasn't really a halter, it was the... things to make his mouth stay open...the word just flew out of my head. She didn't want that to slip over his nose and come off.

I'm okay with resting a horse's head on my shoulder - is that how it normally is? That would be a bit of a relief.

How about messing with a horse's feet? Any big rules there? 😕

Thanks for the cow advice too, btw... I certainly hope we don't deal with bulls too much either. 🙄
 
For like picking up horses feet, (its easier to show someone than explain it but hope this makes sense) you should stand so you hip bone touches the horses leg (perpendicular to the horse I guess would be an easier explanation) facing the horses rear, for both front and hind legs you typically just run you hand down the back of the leg and squeeze slightly just above the fetlock (ankle) and lean into the horse. I work with race horses and we pick up all feet from the same side and just cross the leg over, this is because you dont want to get youself between a horse and a wall so this way the horse can stay where it is while you have easy access to the door. If a horse is prone to kicking with the hind legs you want to stay as close to the horse as possible (getting bumped with the hock is a lot nicer than being farther away and getting the end retraction of a kicking hoof). If you need a horse to stand on all (ie its resting its back leg) the simplest fix is to pull the tail (from the base) towards that foot.
 
Ear twitching a horse will piss a lot of people off because it can make a horse very head shy and difficult to work with in the future, so I wouldn't really recommend doing it in front of a client and it's something I'd never do on my own horses. It's difficult to nose twitch a horse getting a dental because if the horse tosses his head and the person holding the twitch lets go, the person giving the dental is likely to get a broken nose or concussion. I guess you might be able to get a lip rope under the speculum, but I can see that being dangerous. A chain over the nose can help, but they dont pay attention to it like they do a twitch or a lip chain. Best thing is usually to try a different drug cocktail - horses react differently to the drugs and with the positioning of the dental, it's a really poor idea to have someone's arm half in a snarky horse's mouth. I'm really surprised that vet didn't try something else.
 
That non-halter thingy is a mouth speculum.

Besides the vet having their arm in the horse's mouth, it is VERY dangerous for the person restraining the horse to have an insufficiently sedated horse swinging the heavy metal speculum around. It would be very easy for them to knock you out or worse -- it's bad enough being hit by their skull, let alone a metal implement!

Sedating horses for dentals is one of the great debates among horsepeople, as non-vet dentists do a lot of floating in many states but are not able to sedate other people's horses. Leaving aside the dentist vs. vet debate, the arguments for floating without sedation come down to lower cost, avoiding side effects of sedation (with exceptions such as GeeQued's horse, sedation produces no significant adverse effects in something like 99.99% of horses*) and speed. The arguments for sedating the horse include safety and the fact that many horses do not allow power floating without sedation; power floating is easier on the practitioner and allows the vet to do a better job of grinding down the very last molars -- it is hard (I won't say impossible 😉 ) to rasp down the caudal edge of the last lower molar because there is no room to move a hand tool back and forth.

*I have personally witnessed thousands of sedation events without ever seeing a horse colic, collapse, have an allergic reaction, or anything else; the equine vets I know in private practice sedate multiple horses a day and go YEARS without seeing adverse events.

More on heads:

When holding a horse who might try to swing their head, I try to stand out of the arc that their head naturally makes side to side so that they don't hit me with their head. If that sentence didn't make sense, think of the horse's neck as the radius of a circle and the horse's head as traveling along that circle. You want to be either inside the circle -- a little bit behind the head, next to the neck -- or outside the circle, not exactly on that circle.

Foals are generally restrained by standing on the opposite side from the vet. If it's just a physical exam, just rest one hand in front of their chest to keep them from moving forward and gently wrap the other around their hindquarters to keep them from moving backward or wiggling sideways. If the vet is taking blood or doing something similarly objectionable, your "battle stance" involves one hand on the base of the tail pulling the tail upward (controls the hind end and sometimes has a calming effect) and the other hand goes under their jaw and grasps the ear, so that the bottom of their jaw is sort of resting in the crook of your elbow. This allows you to position and stabilize the head to the vet's desire. If you are restraining a foal, be warned that the little buggers like to throw their head up in the air if upset and can whack you pretty good on the chin with their heads. Either keep your head back so that you are not in the line of fire, or lean over them so that your chin is on the other side of their midline. Restraining foals is a little like playing rugby, only the other side doesn't follow the rules. :laugh:

On feet:

GeeQued gave the basic approach for a well trained horse. It helps sometimes to start at the elbow/stifle and run your hand down the whole leg -- they know what's coming and will sometimes pick it up right away, although that can be less helpful and more annoying if you are trying to palpate the leg. If that doesn't work, you can grasp the pastern and lean into the horse with your shoulder. On a big draft horse with lots of feathering, I've seen people lift the feet up by the hair on the fetlock. If it's a front foot and the horse doesn't want to take weight off that foot, have the person holding the head (if you have one) move the horse's head away from you.

General horse restraint:

You've probably already been told this, but (unless instructed otherwise) when holding adult horses always stand on the same side as the vet, a little in front of the horse and a little to the side, facing the vet. By being a little in front and facing backward, you can see the whole horse, including their head, so you can pick up on cues that the horse may be about to react, such as ears pinned back or flicking back and forth, angry look in their eyes, etc. You are on the same side as the vet so that you can see what the vet is doing (and predict how the horse will react) and so that if the horse decides to try to kick you can yank their head towards you, which swings their butt end away from you and the vet.

That's all (ha! a novel!) for tonight. If you have more questions, I'll try to answer them tomorrow.:luck:
 
There is a lot to be said about walking away for 5 minutes and coming back. When a horse gets upset about something, often there is not much you can do about it because they are now upset about being upset. If time allows, give the horse a 5 minute break back in his stall, halter off. And then go back when they are done hyperventilating. Horses are very emotional.

On some horses you can try distraction techniques (much like tapping a cat on the head), by pinching their neck, rubbing their face closer to their eyes than the doc (wont work if they are truely head shy), it helps to know the horse.

As far as picking feet up to keep them on the ground, ehh. A horse can still screw around on three legs, and now the handler is closer to being under the horse. Plus it puts extra strain on their legs, esp if they are screwing around

Edit: Also, its tough esp when you are nervous around horses, but horses can pick up on signals when the handler is stressed out (or tired or sick or hungover). Make sure you are always breathing. ANd never yell at a horse when they are acting like that (they are very sensative and its easy to hurt their feelings). Calm, soothing, even tones, try not to use a high pitched voice (like one you might use with a dog to get them to wag their tail), and stay away from "shhhhh" noises, those are scary.
 
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You mentioned that the horse was sedated 3 times. Do you know what they used?
 
There are four basic sedation drugs used in adult horses:
xylazine (aka Rompun, Xylaject, etc.)
detomidine (aka Dormosedan)
butorphanol (aka Torbugesic, Butorject, etc.)
acepromazine (aka Ace, Promace, etc.)

If it was only one drug, it was probably xylazine or detomidine. However, if you need heavy sedation in a horse, such as for a difficult dental, most practitioners use a combination of two or more drugs, such as detomidine/butorphanol or xylazine/butorphanol, plus or minus acepromazine.

1Vista1Grey, that's so true about horses being emotional. They can also break through sedation if they get upset or if you upset them before you sedate them. It's important to let them calm down before sedating them or trying a different approach.

On holding up legs, to emphasize what 1Vista1Grey said, horses can still kick when you are holding up a leg on the same side. They can't aim as well or get as much extension, but some horses balance on the other two legs and fire away. Also, some horses will lean on the person holding up the leg or even let themselves fall to the ground rather than cooperate. 🙄 OTOH, for some situations where you just want them to stand on a leg, e.g., so that you can bandage it more easily, it works well. It depends on the horse. Just make sure that your toes are out of the way in case the horse decides to slam their hoof down in a hurry.
 
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