Hospitalist vs Internist Question

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As time goes on, the hospitalist profession is up and coming in Internal Medicine and you hear more and more graduates going into that career choice.

What I wanted to know is this, is it harder to go be an Internist in private practice now then becoming a hospitalist? I would assume that if you wanted to become an internist that you'd have an easier job joining an already established practice then starting your own?

I guess what I'm saying is, are their less jobs as internist now and more and more hospitalist for those IM residents who decide not to go on and sub specialize?

I'm more interest in doing primary are as an internist then as a hospitalist and just want to make sure I'm not setting my self up for disappointment in having a extremely difficult time becoming an internist and be forced into a hospitalist position instead.

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As time goes on, the hospitalist profession is up and coming in Internal Medicine and you hear more and more graduates going into that career choice.

What I wanted to know is this, is it harder to go be an Internist in private practice now then becoming a hospitalist? I would assume that if you wanted to become an internist that you'd have an easier job joining an already established practice then starting your own?

I guess what I'm saying is, are their less jobs as internist now and more and more hospitalist for those IM residents who decide not to go on and sub specialize?

I'm more interest in doing primary are as an internist then as a hospitalist and just want to make sure I'm not setting my self up for disappointment in having a extremely difficult time becoming an internist and be forced into a hospitalist position instead.

Quite the opposite actually. With so many new grads going into exclusively inpatient/hospitalist practice, the number of new grads wanting to do PC is way down. So that makes a lot of positions available in primary care.

I wouldn't worry about it from this perspective. Your biggest problem is going to be competition from mid-levels.
 
If you're interested in primary care only and dont mind kids, you should think about doing family medicine. From talking to IM PC docs and FM docs, the FM docs can potentially make a bit more because theyre trained on doing some procedures like vasectomies, circumcisions etc while still seeing the same type/severity of illnesses.
 
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Hospitalist = More $$$$ than an outpatient internist, but like anything in medicine it comes at a cost. Whatever the system you're going to work about 15 shifts a month. You'll see about 15-25 patients a day. You'll work about 10-12 shifts. Unlike ER or Pulm -- other shift work stuff -- you'll run around the hospital. Unlike ER -- you'll have to deal with SW, Discharge summaries, calling consults and can at points be very peripheral in making decision on your patients or risk getting into arguments with the consultants.

The best aspect of a hospitalist's day is taking to patients, explaining to them their disease, keeping them out of the hospital, and perhaps cleaning up some inappropriate meds, and doing some preventive counseling. However, the pressures of your day limits time spent with patients. The documentation needs are endless. HNPs have to be crazy comprehensive and, at least my employer rewards excess -- i.e. -- a patient who has not been eating due to a gastroenteritis has: ARF, Dehydration, Hypotension. You give IVFluids for each and monitor, but WOW! I'm billing for three diagnoses. The private business that contracts out to my hospital and employs me will get even more of a reimbursement! They'll like me as an employee!

In a hospital, very small incentive exists to not pan-consult. The specialists have someone in their practice on call -- i.e. not scheduled to be making money in the office anyways -- and they'll be glad to add some steroids for that COPD exacerbation. You did all the work and sit and ask the standard HNP questions. They get to read yours, add steroids, and bill! While you might have hated consults while on a specialists service in residency, you love them here.

The nice aspects are -- no concern about overhead, patient scheduling, malpractice, etc. You show up to the hospital and get to concentrate on patient care -- but please reference the above as to when that happens.

I joke that I'm a glorified resident. Perhaps I am. Perhaps you are in any field. But, rarely do you FEEL like it as in hospital "medicine". I've never felt more like a cog in the wheel that at this point.

I guess another plus is the dough. Hospitalists make about $200,000 for those 15 shifts. Not bad after 3.0 years of training. Family practicioners can do it too! Endcrine/Neph/ID docs in my region make less.

Another strange aspect is the weird hours. You might have to 4-5 night shifts a month. You won't get paid vacation. You work 1/2 of weekends a month. Yes you're "off" 15 days a month, but some of that is recovery if you work in a busy hospital.

The toughest aspect for me is that after being a senior resident recently, it's harder to know my patients are getting quality care. It's not because of medical knowledge deficits, it's because the nitty-gitty and constant documentation that's an intern's work can bog you and make you loose the big picture.

At last, another annoying thing, is "waiting for the consultants to get on board for discharge"......seems like I'm always waiting for Pulms or GIs or Cards blessing to send a pt. home. As the attending of record, it can be hard to take.

Ok, perhaps more than you wanted to know, but in internal medicine....the money's about the best you'll do. It's not GI/Cards/Pulm type $$$$ but it's not bad....plus you actually can get to have some choice where to live. Ask a mediocre Cards program guy if he's going to be able to set up shop at $450,000 in a big city -- I'm taking a place with at least 2-3 pro sports teams. It's not happening. As a hospitalist, you can actually live in such a place and make something near the $275,000 that mediocre cards program guy makes and not fret so much about fellowship when you see each other in a nice section at a NBA game.
 
You know, I've always thought that the Hospitalist gig was too good to be true. I mean $250K a year for working only 182.5 days? Even if you do work 12 hour days, it only comes out to 42 hour weeks. I guess people say you're just a consult hub and don't really practice real medicine and that's definitely a downside, but I have a feeling that a lot of people would be willing to put up with boring work for a $100+ per hour job.
 
as a workng hospitalist right now, I would say there are many different models out there, especially if you are willing to do academics.

i personally make less money, but when i am working by myself (without a NP or housestaff), I have a cap of 8 patients, doing 10 hour shifts, and work about half on/half off. working with housestaff the cap is a lot more, but there is virtually zero scut work.

if you are interested in being a hospitalist, be careful in investigating your potential jobs and realize there are a lot of different models out there. if you are willing to make a little less money, you can reduce a lot of the day to day stress.
 
high-quality hospitalists who do not need to consult are going to be more in demand in the coming health care system. The implementation of bundling in place of fee-for-service is going to mean that hospitals are paid for diagnosis, not for how many tests and consults can be on board. Because of this, the fewer consults that are done and the fewer tests are taken, the greater the profit margin for the hospital per patient.

The value of a high-quality hospitalist is going to be significantly greater, both in private hospitals and in academia. While I've heard many private hospitalists feel the same as psm, (cogs in a wheel), I think the joy, the medicine, and even the pay (bonuses for reduced spending, for example) is going to increase.

For those people who want to decrease the cost of healthcare, get involved in patients lives and work in the outpatient setting, there is going to be more money and more funding for that as well. By the time current interns or 4th year medical students graduate, they are going to be in an environment steaped in patients and ripe with the ability to make more money and do more good.

That is, if everything goes as planned...

In any case, if you want primary care there are dozens of Primary Care tracks being created at academic centers around the country, and you'll be highly desired as an applicant and an employee down the road.
 
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