How bad does a low pass in first year look for residency applications?

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My record is otherwise pretty okay (230s STEP 1, American school, upper 1/3rd of class third year with high passes). But first year I low passed a course as reflected on my transcript. I did not have to remediate the class though. Is this still a red flag? Realistically, how badly does this harm my chances of matching? I’ve heard differing views. Thanks!
 
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Don't sweat it. Clinicals matter more. USMLE is king.

Thanks for the reassurance. This is what someone else told me. But another person told me I’ll probably get screened out at most mid-tier programs?
 
My record is otherwise pretty okay (230s STEP 1, American school, upper 1/3rd of class third year with high passes). But first year I didn’t know how to study and “marginally passed” anatomy as reflected on my transcript. I did not have to remediate the class though. Is this still a red flag? Realistically, how badly does this harm my chances of matching? I’ve heard differing views. Thanks!

I would aim at community programs because honestly academic mid tier and top programs are probably going to screen you out based on your low anatomy grade from m1. It’s very important to PDs how you did in anatomy since there’s data showing m1 anatomy class grades directly correlates to success in psychiatry residency as well as psychiatry board pass rates. I know this is a tough pill to swallow but I’m sure you’ll do fine at the lower tier community programs. Sorry for your situation. Good luck.
 
I would aim at community programs because honestly academic mid tier and top programs are probably going to screen you out based on your low anatomy grade from m1. It’s very important to PDs how you did in anatomy since there’s data showing m1 anatomy class grades directly correlates to success in psychiatry residency as well as psychiatry board pass rates. I know this is a tough pill to swallow but I’m sure you’ll do fine at the lower tier community programs. Sorry for your situation. Good luck.
Lol, no. Bologna.
Nobody in psychiatry with any sense is going to black list you because you struggled in one class early in med school if your application is otherwise solid.
Anyway, it doesn't matter now. Aim high, work hard, prove any haters wrong. I did, so can you.
 
I would aim at community programs because honestly academic mid tier and top programs are probably going to screen you out based on your low anatomy grade from m1. It’s very important to PDs how you did in anatomy since there’s data showing m1 anatomy class grades directly correlates to success in psychiatry residency as well as psychiatry board pass rates. I know this is a tough pill to swallow but I’m sure you’ll do fine at the lower tier community programs. Sorry for your situation. Good luck.

Sarcasm is strong with this one. Haha

You’ll be fine. Marginal pass is MUCH better than a failure.
 
Thanks! I figured that guy was being sarcastic. Would you consider it a red flag at all or something not to even keep in mind or bring up?
Have an answer ready in case some particularly detail fixated interviewer asks but this is not something important enough to be mentioned proactively in your app. It is basically irrelevant.
 
Have an answer ready in case some particularly detail fixated interviewer asks but this is not something important enough to be mentioned proactively in your app. It is basically irrelevant.

Thank you, I appreciate the input. This answers my question quite well!
 
Thanks! I figured that guy was being sarcastic. Would you consider it a red flag at all or something not to even keep in mind or bring up?

Not really a red flag. If they ask during an interview, have an answer.

My surgery clerkship was a relatively low pass. Their comment in my Dean’s letter was only 1 sentence which in summary said that I spend too much time empathizing with patients to be a good surgeon. It was clearly an insult, but in psychiatry is an easy spin to positive. A few interviews asked about this, and we ended up always having a quick laugh about it. I matched at my #1.
 
Not really a red flag. If they ask during an interview, have an answer.

My surgery clerkship was a relatively low pass. Their comment in my Dean’s letter was only 1 sentence which in summary said that I spend too much time empathizing with patients to be a good surgeon. It was clearly an insult, but in psychiatry is an easy spin to positive. A few interviews asked about this, and we ended up always having a quick laugh about it. I matched at my #1.

Haha!! That one-line comment probably went a long way. That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
 
I don't think most programs in any specialty are going to care about how you did in one class. And as someone who has some anxiety issues of my own, I really think seeing a therapist for a bit or perhaps a psychiatrist to see if meds are appropriate isn't a bad idea. I say this with no malice. Good luck to you.
 
You'll be fine. Also, consider seeing someone to help with your neurotic anxiety. I say this sincerely.

I don't think most programs in any specialty are going to care about how you did in one class. And as someone who has some anxiety issues of my own, I really think seeing a therapist for a bit or perhaps a psychiatrist to see if meds are appropriate isn't a bad idea. I say this with no malice. Good luck to you.

Thanks guys. I appreciate the concern. I think this neuroticism is transient. Spending too much time on student doc forums and hanging around other neurotic people has not been good for me! I’m usually pretty mellow. I’ll just focus on learning everything I can for now. I am also gonna take a couple of days to just hang with non-medical people. This whole process and its uncertainty gets to you (me) sometimes.
 
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Schools are so un-uniform in how they grade, someone even bothering to consider this would have to ask; "did anyone else get a marginal pass, maybe a third or a quarter of students at this school did, maybe this guy is the only one..." Trust me, no one will be getting into those weeds. There is an effort to help make Dean's letters uniform. The letters start with a couple of questions about if the student was ever required to repeat or remediate subjects and yours will say no. There is also a final summary paragraph that will hopefully not highlight this with "With the exception of anatomy, this student performed at or above expected levels and this small exception does not represent a pattern or flaw in his abilities." I have only seen sentences like this when someone repeats a clinical rotation. Now if someone had to repeat MS1 or MS2 year, they wouldn't discount this so easily.
 
It's all a relative thing. E.g. if you're going into something ultra-competitive yeah one bad mark can blow you out of the water if everyone else have no bad marks at all and there's not enough spots. People in admissions committees even admit such things are BS and only do knock some people out (in ultra-competitive situations) cause they don't have enough spots and have to rely on something...anything, to weed anyone out.

In psychiatry, however, despite that its getting more competitive, one bad mark likely won't make any difference. Many medstudents use their last frame of reference, getting into medical school, as the benchmark of how bad it's going to be. Getting into psychiatry residency can be competitive but it's several orders of magnitude less stressful vs getting into medical school.


I would liken getting into psych residency as more comparable with getting into college in terms of your odds. Of course medical school is harder than college (unless you were a triple major, Biochem, Physics, Chemical Engineering, Rhodes Scholar), but in terms of your grades and board scores, your odds of getting in is more like getting into college. You'll very likely get in so long as you pass your stuff without stellar marks, but will then likely get into a lower-rung residency.

I remember during one of my rotations, I had one bad review, and to this day I think the guy was an a-hole. E.g. he'd pimp me on questions about Digoxin, and when I answered all of them right he'd start doing idiotic things like ask me questions about the Digitalis plant ("You didn't know it grew in Asia? AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT'S ALSO CALLED THE FOXGLOVE!?!?!," What an a-hole). It was the only bad review in my rotations among pretty much all of them being top marks. None of the programs cared.
 
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If someone on an interview asks about your experience in anatomy during your first semester of medical school I suggest you stand up, thank them for their time and say goodbye.
 
If someone on an interview asks about your experience in anatomy during your first semester of medical school I suggest you stand up, thank them for their time and say goodbye.

While I get what you are saying, some psych interviews purposely ask a semi-difficult question just to see how you think. I wouldn’t take it to mean that they actually care greatly about anatomy.
 
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