How did DOs match

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i'm a first year and might be interested in neuro; just wondering how other DO students fared on the match

 

[bustbones26]

Well, I am military the way I matched was quite strange and non-traditional, but I did have to go through the DO stuff too so I'll shed some insight for you here.

For the DO's my cohorts have reported doing well, in fact, many have been "promised" spots outside the DO match. But we do not do SF match if we want to do an osteopathic neuro residency. The osteopathic neuro match does not come out until feb. 14, but, again, lot of positive feedback from people I know purusing neuro in the osteopathic world.

I do not know many DO's going after ACGME residencies, I am sure that those people will be planning on doing an AOA internship next year and then transitioning to an ACGME neuro prog at the PGY-2 level. So those guys probably did have to do the SF match for their PGY-2 spots.

Myself, because of military, I did not have to do the SF match but actually did ERAS. Turns out, only military neuro programs are using ERAS.

 

[classic13]

I do not know many DO's going after ACGME residencies, I am sure that those people will be planning on doing an AOA internship next year and then transitioning to an ACGME neuro prog at the PGY-2 level. So those guys probably did have to do the SF match for their PGY-2 spots.

Myself, because of military, I did not have to do the SF match but actually did ERAS. Turns out, only military neuro programs are using ERAS.

Actually, for DOs planning on doing allopathic residency, you need to be aware that you have to do an ACGME accredited medicine internship in order to take the American Barad of Psychiatry and Neurology exam. If you do an ACGME neruo residency then you can't take the osteopathic neuro board. So unless you do a duo accredited internship you won't be able to take either the allopathic or the osteopathic neuro board. Something to think about when planning your residency.

 

[k-money]

Actually, for DOs planning on doing allopathic residency, you need to be aware that you have to do an ACGME accredited medicine internship in order to take the American Barad of Psychiatry and Neurology exam. If you do an ACGME neruo residency then you can't take the osteopathic neuro board. So unless you do a duo accredited internship you won't be able to take either the allopathic or the osteopathic neuro board. Something to think about when planning your residency.

I thought that if you did an allopathic internship and residency as a DO then you could sit for the allopathic boards even without an AOA internship??? My understanding was that medical practice would be prohibited in a few states (MI, PA, FL, WV) that require the AOA internship but otherwise unaffected in the rest of the country??? I know its true that AMA neuro residencies require ACGME internships PGY1. If anyone knows, or has been through this, please share!

 

[classic13]

I thought that if you did an allopathic internship and residency as a DO then you could sit for the allopathic boards even without an AOA internship??? My understanding was that medical practice would be prohibited in a few states (MI, PA, FL, WV) that require the AOA internship but otherwise unaffected in the rest of the country??? I know its true that AMA neuro residencies require ACGME internships PGY1. If anyone knows, or has been through this, please share!

Generally speaking, if you do an ACGME approved residency you take allopathic boards. If you do an AOA approved residency, you take osteopathic boards. However, for specialties that require prelimin year, the rules for each specialty vary.

For neurology the requirement to sit for the board certification by the American board of psychiatry and neurology is that one needs to have completed an ACGME approved medicine internship (most won't even accept ACGME transition yr). You can still do an AOA internship, enter an allopathic neuro residency (if the particular residency lets you, though most won't accept AOA internship as prelim) but you won't meet the requirement to sit for the allopathic neruo board. One way to kill 2 birds with 1 stone is to do a dual accredited internship. But this means that in most cases you will be doing your residency and internship at different institutions as almost every ACGME neuro residency is affliated with an allopathic medical school. The AOA internships (even the dual accredited ones) are community based.

DO students interested in ACGME neurology should be aware about this situation. you don't want to be in a situation where you matched into PGY-2 residency but decide to match AOA internship only to find out you can't take the specialty boards later. Or worse, you can't start your PGY-2 because you didn't complete the required internship.

Regarding the 5 states, you are confusing the board certification with state licensure. The requirement to practice in those 5 states is that DOs have to do an AOA approved internship. It has nothing to do with neurology board certification. You can be board certified by ACGME board and still practice in those 5 states as long as you have the AOA internship cleared.

It's a confusing situation . . .

 

[stochastic]

The following was directly cut and pasted from the 2006 information on the ABPN website (see bolded portion).

An applicant seeking admission to examination for certification in neurology must have satisfactorily completed an ACGME-accredited PGY-1 (See below.) and three full years of postgraduate, specialized residency training in a neurology program accredited by the ACGME.

Two patterns of training are acceptable:
1. Three-Year Neurology Residency Program
A full year of ACGME-accredited training in internal medicine, or as an acceptable alternative, a full year in an ACGME-accredited program in which a minimum of six months of training must be in internal medicine, the details
of which must be documented by the training director. The composition of these six months may NOT include rotations in neurology, family medicine, or emergency medicine. To ensure that these six months constitute a highquality experience, they should emphasize progressive responsibility for the resident. At least two of the additional six months must be spent in internal medicine, pediatrics, and/or emergency medicine. For candidates entering neurology residency training on or after July 1, 2001, at least two of the additional six months must be spent in internal medicine, pediatrics, family medicine, and/or emergency medicine. No more than two of the remaining four months may be spent in neurology.
AND
Three full years of postgraduate, specialized residency training in a neurology program accredited by the ACGME.

Therefore, I guess even other internships could work so long as they had enough months of IM, but IM or traditional would probably be easiest. So if you go to a dual-accredited internship and then an ACGME residency, you can get board certified by ABPN and get licensed to practice in any state you wish. So what are the options for internship? Below is a list of the dual-accredited IM and traditional internships from the AOA Opportunities website:


University CT HC IM Farmington CT
St Francis Hospital Traditional Internship Wilmington DE
St Vincents Medical Center Traditional Internship Jacksonville FL
The Medical Center Traditional Internship Columbus GA
Memorial Hospital of Carbondale Traditional Internship Carbondale IL
John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital Cook County Traditional Internship Chicago IL
Resurrection Medical Center Traditional Internship Chicago IL
Decatur Memorial Hospital Traditional Internship Decatur IL
Advocate Christ Hospital & Medical Ctr Traditional Internship Oak Lawn IL
West Suburban Hospital Medical Center Traditional Internship Oak Park IL
Blessing Hospital Traditional Internship Quincy IL
Center Family Med/SIU Springfield Family Med Traditional Internship Springfield IL
Carle Foundation Hospital Traditional Internship Urbana IL
Fort Wayne Medical Ed Program Traditional Internship Fort Wayne IN
Via Christi Regional Medical Center/Riverside Traditional Internship Wichita KS
Lake Charles Memorial Hospital Traditional Internship Lake Charles LA
Berkshire Medical Center IM Pittsfield MA
UMass Memorial Health Care IM Worcester MA
St Vincent's Hosp At Worcester Medical Center IM Worcester MA
UNECOM/Eastern Maine Med Ctr Traditional Internship Bangor ME
Providence Hospital Traditional Internship Southfield MI
Henry Ford HS-Henry Ford Bi-County DR,EM,FP,P,S,IM,OBG,OOP,PD Warren MI
Regions Family & Community Medicine Traditional Internship Saint Paul MN
Waseca Medical Center-Mayo HS Traditional Internship Waseca MN
Duke/Southern Regional Area Health Ed Ctr Traditional Internship Fayetteville NC
New Hanover Regional Med. Ctr. Traditional Internship Wilmington NC
Concord Hospital Traditional Internship Concord NH
St Barnabas Medical Center Traditional Internship Livingston NJ
Overlook Hospital Traditional Internship Summit NJ
University of New Mexico Hospital Traditional Internship Albuquerque NM
UNECOM/Albany Medical College Traditional Internship Albany NY
Bassett Health Care Traditional Internship Cooperstown NY
Nassau University Medical Center FP,IM East Meadow NY
Jamaica Hospital FP,IM Jamaica NY
St Clares Hosp of Schenectady Traditional Internship Schenectady NY
Metro-Health Medical Center Traditional Internship Cleveland OH
Abington Memorial Hospital IM Abington PA
Lehigh Valley Hospital Center IM Allentown PA
Sacred Heart Hospital Traditional Internship Allentown PA
Altoona Hospital Traditional Internship Altoona PA
The Medical Center Beaver PA Traditional Internship Beaver Falls PA
St Luke's Hospital FP,IM Bethlehem PA
Crozer-Chester Medical Center Traditional Internship Chester PA
Mercy Catholic Medical Center Traditional Internship Darby PA
Easton Hospital IM Easton PA
Nesbitt Memorial Hospital Traditional Internship Kingston PA
Latrobe Area Hospital Traditional Internship Latrobe PA
UPMC McKeesport Traditional Internship McKeesport PA
Albert Einstein Med Ctr Traditional Internship Philadelphia PA
Graduate Hospital Traditional Internship Philadelphia PA
Western Pennsylvania Hospital Traditional Internship Pittsburgh PA
Shadyside Hospital Traditional Internship Pittsburgh PA
Reading Hospital and Med Ctr Traditional Internship Reading PA
Washington Hospital Traditional Internship Washington PA
The Williamsport Hospital/Med Ctr Traditional Internship Williamsport PA
Lankenau Hospital Traditional Internship Wynnewood PA
Spartanburg Regional Health Systems Traditional Internship Spartanburg SC
ETSU/Quillen College of Medicine Traditional Internship Johnson City TN
Charlton Methodist Hospital Traditional Internship Dallas TX
Texas Tech Univ Hlth Sci Ctr Traditional Internship Lubbock TX
Shenandoah Valley Hospital Traditional Internship Front Royal VA
University of WI Med School Traditional Internship Madison WI
Medical College of Wisconsin Traditional Internship Milwaukee WI
United Hospital Center Traditional Internship Clarksburg WV
Wheeling Hospital Traditional Internship Wheeling WV
University of Wyoming Traditional Internship Casper WY

 

[PainDr]

Some of the above info is incorrect. You CAN do an osteopathic internship, followed by an ACGME residency and sit for the osteopathic neurology boards. This is the situation I'm in right now. I've passed the written test and will sit for the orals in May. However, I wouldn't recommend this route unless it's unavoidable. The problem is with subspecialty certification. I'm currently completing an ACGME pain fellowship but will not be able to sit for the pain boards as they require certification by an ABMS (allopathic) board. I'll finish my fellowship in June and have secured an AMAZING position, but job interviews were a little awkward as I tried to explain the mess I'm in. Also, I don't like the idea of not being boarded in my primary area of practice. I hope the allopathic board will eventually change this arcane and useless rule...like almost EVERY other ABMS board already has...so that I can sit for their boards and then the pain boards. 🙄