How difficult is dental school?

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I have asked this same question to a couple of dental school students and I have received a wide variety of answers. Everything from "it is extremely difficult and I didn't think it was going to be this bad" to "the hardest thing is getting in, after you are in it isn't too bad".
I would like to hear from current dental students on what you think. I know everyone comes from a different school, but I would like to get a feel on what you think and how difficult it really is.

Also, is it harder than your undergrad?

Thanks.
 
I'm by no means an expert in the difficulty of dental school, so do not take this as gospel. Based on my conversation with several dental students, the difficulty of dental school makes undergrad look like a joke.

You will have to step up your game 10x higher in order to compete in dental school. my $0.02
 
I had busted my butt in undergrad at a very respected liberal arts school as a bio major. I had a 3.05 GPA leaving school, but it is what I got from school in how to study and push myself that is making my transition to dental school fairly easy. With my first year ending I have a 3.7 GPA, I will be doing 3D imaging research this summer with the ortho department and I just love school here. It is what you get out of undergrad that makes grad school easier. I am not here to toot my own horn, but to tell anyone out there that undergrad grades mean very little once you are in dental school and your drive to succeed, the effort you put forth and your ability to go the extra step and drag yourself to ever class is what will make dental school much easier. Some people are in school to just get by and they slack off alot, so if you want to do well avoid those kind of people and work hard. I view school as my job, and I treat it that way. I work a 12 hour shift each day and I get an occasional weekend off, but I love my job. Right now it drags on, but I know in the future I will always have a job and always be able to provide for my family. Hope this helps and please don't take this as to say Temple is an easy school. It is a great school and there are many people here who are just getting by. Best of luck to you all.

T 2006
 
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Compare class to class, undergrad. is harder conceptually (well I guess it depends what you took in undergrad.) But when you're taking 10-15 courses vs 5, that's what makes Dental School a bit harder, but not that bad academically.

I'd say the hardest part is the clinical part, I never know it would be so frustrating day after day...not the dentistry part, but motivating people to keep their appointments and jumping thru all the hoops, etc. Your organization depends on so many others being organized.

I can't wait to be done...
 
idmd's final comments about 'picking your school wisely' is truly a gem. Of course, there are many reasons for choosing a certain school, but some DO have more difficult curriculums. It sounds like you folks at UConn have your work cut out for you.

I have a cousin at a certain California school, and he says he's never had life so easy. He spends 4-5 hours a day on campus (when he is on campus!) and studies 2-3 times a week for 2 hours or so. I didn't believe him, so I asked him to document his study sessions. Sure enough, he's averaging 5 hours of studying a week (and 22 hours a week in class).

Typically I would look at numbers like that and say that he's an idiot -- but his scores are all above average, and he isn't supergenius.

Pick your school wisely! (By the way, difficult experiences and pushing yourself to do better are worth their weight in gold. Not fun by any means, but true character builders.)
 
I have a cousin at a certain California school, and he says he's never had life so easy. He spends 4-5 hours a day on campus (when he is on campus!) and studies 2-3 times a week for 2 hours or so. I didn't believe him, so I asked him to document his study sessions. Sure enough, he's averaging 5 hours of studying a week (and 22 hours a week in class).

Man, I am so jealous! I was looking at the 1st semester schedule we were given for the upcoming fall. We are scheduled to be in class or clinic from 8-5, 5 days a week. The dental students say that study and lab practice is all outside of that time. AAAGH! I'm scared! Real work! 😱 :laugh:
 
Couldn't have said it better Mcataz, especially the last paragraph on sacrifice. This girl who is in my Calculus class swears she barely study, and some how seem to pull off 98 and above on every single exam. Found out from her boyfriend that she barely spends anytime with him, because she's aways studying. LIke you said in your PM to me everyone wants to be perceived as a genius, yet so few of us are. my $0.2
 
..........the comments about UConn. I'm finishing up my first year here (praise God) and I've studied my goddamn ass off. Everyone here is smart and there's somewhat of a competitive atmosphere despite the fact that we have a P/F system. Believe me, I study my hardest just to be average here. Some folks who weren't ready for it got slaughtered early on and that really sucks for them.....waste of time and money when they may have been much better off elsewhere.
 
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Originally posted by MsPurtell
..........the comments about UConn. I'm finishing up my first year here (praise God) and I've studied my goddamn ass off. Everyone here is smart and there's somewhat of a competitive atmosphere despite the fact that we have a P/F system. Believe me, I study my hardest just to be average here. Some folks who weren't ready for it got slaughtered early on and that really sucks for them.....waste of time and money when they may have been much better off elsewhere.

What does your typical day at UConn look like? i.e. what time do you get up? How long are you in class, and what classes do you take? How much do you study each day? What time do you go to bed? All I keep hearing is people whining about how hard UCONN is?
 
My first quarter, I was certain that I was either going to fail out or be in the BOTTOM of my class.

You'll soon learn that this just isn't so...if you're putting in the time. The qtr. after that, I slacked big time and did crappy on my midterms..........boy, come finals time I was working harder than I ever have in my ENTIRE LIFE.

Don't EVER believe the hideous lie that it's harder to get in than get through! After 2 qtrs and into my 3rd (almost done with freshman year!!) I can say that it's quite challenging, stressful, fun, crazy. But very do-able. The only people who don't make it are the ones that DON'T STUDY!!!
 
hi guys ..

the topic caught my attention and althought my opinion is in no way related/comparable to the dental school experience/hardships here in the US , i still wanted to let you guys know what we had to go through back in India ..

u get into dental school, a 5 year program right after high school. and thats becasue the freedom of choosing your career is restricted or limited due to the traditional/economic/cultural influences .. bottom line is, go do something which earns respect and money .. personal dreams and interests are secondary and are in most cases only realized after u are in your mid 20's, and by that time, presto ..ur already a dentist .. (you just cant get into marine biology or archeology to make a living)

theres nothing like choosing your courses or electives .. there is a prescribed course content for each year, and everyone takes the SAME classes each year ... and each term( semester) is 1 year for 5 years .. and the exams that matter most are your annual examinations ( 75% of ur grade) ..

there are NO national boards .. each state has their own University and each university may have more than 1 dental school under it .. so each University conducts its own final examinations... therefore, there is no standardization of dental school graduates around the country... in the end, it doesnt matter which university/state u graduate from, ANY graduate can practice in ANY state in the county through Reciprocity ... as far as i know it is not even 1% as complicated as the NERB, WREb etc..etc...etc..etc...


dental school is typically 8 am to 5 pm Mon to Saturday we have 6 working days ... and there is absolutely no concept of getting out of town on a weekend .. vacations are 2 times a year ..2 weeks for summer and 2 weeks after your final examinations between school years ..

the avg. # of patients treated in a day by a final year dental student is not less than 6-8 excluding endo,prostho patients .. and app. 20-25/day by EACH student in oral medicine and diagnosis .. the appointment system doesnt hold much value so u treat "as many as you possibly can" ...gosh, the confusion, the illeteracy, the pressure, the language barriers( each state had its OWN language which is TOTALLY different from another) was too much a few times ...

so u technically graduate at the end of your 4th year ..but you HAVE to complete a 1 year mandatory internship with rotations in ALL clinical specialities(GPR if you like) in the SAME dental school you attended by default ... and then after 5 years, u actually get your degree so you can practice ..


it was very hectic .. but considering the fact that ur in dental schol at a tender age of 18 and considering the few options you have in a developing nation, its do or die .. literally coz the amount of tuition you pay, and the fact that the expectations/hopes/dreams your whole family/relatives and even your neighbors and also well wishers in your little hamlet sized town have on you rooting for you is a big driving point ..so FORGET about complaining/giving up/bitching.. that was not an option for 55 out of my 60 classmates ... there are always those who drop out for various reasons ..


the best part it the responsibiliy at that young age, although it meant sacrificing a lot of things .. i feel i missed out on college life in the US ... but the fact of the matter is i was done with dental school by the time i was 24 .. and im here in the US now, still LIVING life and doing all that i misses ... and i have no regrets ...

end of story
 
Ah, UConn...other dental students just don't understand how ridiculous it becomes to have to learn about whole body a la med student. It sounds so cool when they pitch it to you..."we emphasize the 'whole patient'; you'll know so much more than the average dentist...blah blah". "More basic science hours than any other dental school...". "Full-body dissection...".

The idea is to make you able to deal with more systemic disease because often people with systemic disease will always see a dentist if they have pain while they may not see a doctor because they either don't know they are diseased or are afraid to see a doc. That may be a great theory/idea but in practice it means you learn an unbelievable amount of down-to-the-mo'frikin-molecular-level stuff you will NEVER, EVER see again.

Recent UConn grads tell me it does indeed come in useful to have that type of education (saying that you only have one chance to learn the science whereas you have a lifetime to be a better clinician) in your practice years, and it definitely allows for stellar NBDE I scores...BUT after you get over the initial "yay I'm in dental school" phase, you realize you have a long, long road of useless material to not just memorize but truly MASTER for your exams or you will be drummed out nice and quick.

Nearly every student here is incredibly intelligent (most kids come here b/c they like a good challenge) and most are very competitive, so you just simply cannot slack off AT ALL or you will not make it to 2nd year. If you fall behind you are done. 1st year has just seemed to GRIND by since about December-January as we are put through so much useless crap and impossible exams.

Maybe I will be better for it one day, but, if I would have known it would be like this...I would have certainly given much more thought to my decision.
 
Hey UCONNERS,
Your posts are making me REALLY REALLY nervous since I will be joining you guys this August. Can you tell me what percentage of the class failed the first year? Do you guys regret choosing UCONN? Any suggestions as to how to prepare myself for the upcoming school year.
Take care y'all
Thanks...ELLE
 
Hey Pat, thanks for your reply. Looks like the next four years of my life is going to be brutal...brutal... and brutal. Do you think that the crazy work load will eventually help you become a better dentist? Another question...how much free time do you guys have...I mean do you get to relax during the weekends?
Thanks...ELLE

PS> Congratulations on ranking #1 again! Thumbs up to you guys:clap:
 
hey Pat@UConnSDM can you sorta give a ballpark figure of
attrition rate at your school? Like from people who failed or
decided to give up. I think your school may have more hard-
working keeners because applicants here are hoping to get
into specialties.

I figure if a school is losing 5% of its class throughout
4 years it's too much. That's like one out of 20 getting the
boot despite doing the hard work and paying tuition. My
class has lost 2 so far but hopefully the rest of us are here
for the long haul.
 
I sadly must agree with Pat. I am a current first year and am feeling the increasing "pain" that is UConn. When I chose this school, I knew that it would be incredibly hard. What I didn't know is what you must do to get through it all. (Just so you know, we have already had two people drop out of our class and will most likely have two or three more have to remediate the year)

Most of the basic instructors in 1st year (with some notable good exceptions, of course) are pompous head-in-the-clouds researchers (I'm sure it is no different 2nd year) who don't know how to teach, but only how to lecture. This is probably the case at other schools, but is perfected here in CT.

The same goes for most of the dental profs., although the dental education first year so far has been so poor (ie down to the molecular level times infinity on about every issue) that it is really hard to gauge how our real clinical experience will be. We have begun some pre-clinical classes, but have done so little that it is hard for me to tell you how it "really" is. The only hands-on dental class we have completed is morphology, which I think is about the same at all schools.

Back to the basic science...I am a pretty smart guy and can learn resonably efficiently...but I can honestly tell you that I and only I have been responsible for teaching myself 75-85% of the material. It is not that it is not MENTIONED in lecture, but it is not TAUGHT. That combined with more presented material than any other US dental school equals mass hysteria around 3 weeks before an exam.

Now, I will say that I love our class...and having only 40 odd people in it is great, because we really get to know each other well. We have some fun times...I guess it is like war...you band together in response to the ridiculous demands placed upon you. There are some classes and instructors that I do like and respect. However, that being said, I think it is fair to say that at LEAST half of the class is quite unhappy with the school.

In UConn, I thought I would get a school with a tough curriculum that, while beating me down from time to time, would be taught so well that you can't help but do well on the boards. I thought the reason why UConn attracts good students and does well on the boards is because the stuff is just taught well.

Reality is that, just like Pat said, the reason we do well is because you learn to teach yourself everything. You learn the value of an hour of studying. You get so much stuff thrown at you that if you make it through those first two years you just have to be the kind of person that can also study well for the boards on your own. Basically, UConn attracts the type of student that is smart and is willing to be abused for a few years in exchange for a good reputation. This translates into a student that will also be able to study hard enough independently to do well on ANY standardized test. This, in my opinion is also one reason why many of our students get accepted to residencies...the programs know that the kind of student that comes out of UConn has to be able to hack it on their own...and they know that we are forced to learn how to be successful without any help. VERY attractive to residencies, because that is what they do to you as well!

One thing to make you not worry as much...I firmly believe that any student that they accept can make it through the program. They only accept smart, competitive kids and you will make it through! Also, you can pimp out all of your other friends at other dental schools with all of the stuff you know that they will never see. Sure, youll never use it, but you'll still know much more than they do. You can also make fun of your fellow medical student colleagues, who you know YOU could easily replace while they would never hack it on the dental side...they are usually easy targets.

In four years, I will most likely come out and seriously succeed at anything...not really because of the school itself, but because the school will have taught me how to survive through hell. If it sounds like a mix between correspondence school and the military, you've just about got it.
 
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thanks for your insights guys... I guess I should feel lucky that
I am at a less academic-intensive school. Then again, over
here we're practical-intensive which means I've had to spend
tons of time after school drilling preps in operative, fixed and
endo.

there are those who say getting in was the easiest part, but
I would still disagree. Despite all the hard work I am putting in
now there was so much more uncertainty and fear in undergrad!
Now the pressure's off, and since I have no plans for specializing
I'm just looking for passing marks 🙂
 
if you're a bum like me...it's not too bad...you just pass and make it out 🙂 but if you're like most people who want to specialize...it can be hard...especially IF you're competitive and your class is competitive and if you guys don't help each other out...

i think if you want a non-competitive (well less competitive) environment...UOP is probably the best choice...everyone seems *happy* there... (relatively speaking...cept they have like a trillion exams in 4 days)
 
Thank you all for your comments. Here is a short poem for all of you....

THE WOODS ARE LOVELY
DARK AND DEEP
BUT I HAVE PROMISES TO KEEP
AND MILES TO GO
BEFORE I SLEEP
MILES TO GO
BEFORE I SLEEP

This poem has been hanging on my wall for a while now...it has always motivated me...hopefully, you will find some meanings in it as well. 😛
 
What is the grading system at UCONN (Yukon). A through F?
Or is it pass/no pass.

Also, anyone has an idea which dental schools are pass/no pass besides ucla and harvard.
 
columbia is working on it...will find out in a few weeks if we're changing to H/P/F (no Marginal like La)...will vote soon on this 🙂
 
Originally posted by lhamtse
Thank you all for your comments. Here is a short poem for all of you....

THE WOODS ARE LOVELY
DARK AND DEEP
BUT I HAVE PROMISES TO KEEP
AND MILES TO GO
BEFORE I SLEEP
MILES TO GO
BEFORE I SLEEP

This poem has been hanging on my wall for a while now...it has always motivated me...hopefully, you will find some meanings in it as well. 😛

Robert Frost?
 
Maxell123,

Currently there are three dental schools in the U.S. that have a pass/not pass grading system (UCLA, Harvard, UConn).
 
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I think honors/pass/fail sort of defeats the purpose of pas/fail. You might as well have grades because everyone will gun for honors and overseeing committees will view honors as being better than pass. It really is a stupid system. Furthermore, some schools have high honors, honors, pass, fail. Hell, just add on Super honors and you have a traditional grading system.

And most schools list your percentage next to your pass so they can basically tell what you earned in a course.

Talk about marketing and nice giftwrap. In short, pass/fail isn't what most people think.
 
I guess that is one good thing about the old death star (UConn)...a pass is a pass...there really is no class ranking for the basic science (read: stupid hard) part of the curriculum. Also no honors/uber-honors, etc. When they write your letter of rec (Ive now seen a couple), that is at least one thing that is kept unknown to residencies. Now your performance in dental classes is another thing, I hear the faculty pretty much know where you stand there.
 
...we've lost two......neither one liked it here and plan to start elsewhere next year. It's hard to say how many will fail the year at the end. I have the feeling that some folks are just riding the year out.

Don't worry too much if you are starting here next year. Just relax, be confident and ready to work hard consistently and not get any pats on the back or anything for it. My classmates are really nice people and that makes things easier. We all suffer together.

Try reminding yourself of difficult things you've been able to surpass in life. There are much worse things than BMS. For example, sometimes I remind myself of an illness that I struggled through years ago. I got past it. Makes me laugh at BMS.

I disagree with the person who said the teaches here suck. I love them. We get a few lousy lecturers, but most are good and they all seem like nice folks. The administrators seem pleasant as well. As a matter of fact, I've become quite fond of those teachers/admins who really like the students and will do anything to help.

Margaret
 
I've noticed that if your school is on the quarter system people complain even more. U.Washington is on the quarter system and people feel like they are getting their asses whooped. Schools with semester systems the students seem to handle the course load more efficiently.

At PENN we don't have a block system (no finals week). Classes start randomly and end randomly. We might start out with five classes and those classes don't necessarily end exactly the same time but might be longer or shorter than others. However, new classes may start at weird times as well.

for example:

biochem, histology, Health Promo, Intro. Med: start 8/26/02

they end at different times

biochem: 12/4/02
histology: 11/25/02
Health promo: 6/6/03
Intro Med: 3/21/03


So new classes start randomly as well. The concept is that you don't have to be overwhelmed studing for 15 finals in 3 days. PENN is known to listen to their students and shift exams so they don't have more than 1-2 exams a week.

So think about that as well. Quarter systems are 10-11 weeks per quarter with the last week being finals week. Semesters run 16-18 weeks. They all are required to teach the same stuff, but if you have to take 4 exams every other week, it is gonna be harder for sure.

DesiDentist
 
I don't know what the quarter system is like at the dental school level but at the undergrad level, I definitely preferred the quarter system to the semester system. You take tests more often but you aren't tested over as much material at one setting as regular semester classes do. I tend to procrastinate so I think the quarter system would be good for me since it would keep me on my toes.
 
We will be on the semester schedule, but our classes are broken down into specific modules. No modules overlap, and each module is covered in one week (~35 hours of lecture), with the exception of Musculoskeletal and Neuroscience, which are given two weeks, or ~70 hours of lecture/classtime.

We cover 19 modules in our first semester and they include: Genetics, Microbiology, Immunology, Cariopulmonary, Dental radiology, Pharmacology, and Epidemiology, among other subjects.

In this manner, we are only covering ONE area at a time, and all of our class time will be devoted to that subject. All exams are on Monday's, and Grand Rounds are on Fridays.

It should be interesting.
 
The module idea sounds interesting and would probably be great for the right people. I'm afraid I would forget everything really fast though if it wasn't hammered into my head every day for at least a few months.

Arizona sounds like it's gonna be a fun program, Gavin. I kinda wish I had looked at it a little more. 🙂
 
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