How do Adcoms view Pre-Med "Fraternities"?

[pasta_water1]

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Hi, So I recently tried rushing Phi Delta Epsilon at Stony Brook University and was denied. Basically, greek life is not so much of a big deal at Stony Brook and this Fraternity is more of a "club" as it does not have a house but supposedly the Fraternity advertised a 90% acceptance rate among members as well as help in getting shadowing positions with doctors (although I have a doctor to shadow) and research positions as well. Yet, this club seemed to occupy a lot of time on community service and with myself taking a full course load this semester and taking a weekend Emt course and being part of other clubs(like debate, investment club, etc), I wasn't sure at the time whether I could even fit this in and I kinda hinted this during my interview(probably why I got denied). So, Should I apply next semester and make it a priority or is this frat complete bull**** in the eyes of Adcoms? There is another club, mentors in medicine, that I plan on doing so I am participating in some pre-med "activity."

 

[NotASerialKiller]

You were turned down from a group with a 90% acceptance rate? That's gotta hurt.

 

[Slave to the Game]

I think he meant 90% acceptance rate into medical school.

I wouldn't worry too much about the frat. If you can get those opportunities elsewhere (shadowing, research, volunteer etc) it won't make much of a difference.

 

[NotASerialKiller]

I think he meant 90% acceptance rate into medical school.

I wouldn't worry too much about the frat. If you can get those opportunities elsewhere (shadowing, research, volunteer etc) it won't make much of a difference.

Ohh, that makes more sense. I seriously doubt a frat is your ticket into med school though.

 

[Spector1]

I personally found that most premed frat people kind of rubbed me the wrong way. just an opinion

 

[WedgeDawg]

Premed "frat" is worthless. If you want to be a premed, just be a premed. If you want to join a frat, join a real frat.

 

[wagonwheel23]

The next time you interview for something, don't suggest that you might not be able to fit it in...

Use your pre-med adviser. Save your free time for things you are passionate about. Maybe you can find a community service oriented social club? I loved being part of that kind of group in college.

 

[Dr. Death]

I personally found that most premed frat people kind of rubbed me the wrong way. just an opinion

I personally found that most premed people kind of rub me the wrong way.

 

[MrLogan13]

Do your own thing and don't worry about it. Plenty of us were not active in clubs and frats, but have other meaningful ECs.

 

[cantankerous]

Lmao that 90% acceptance is only because they revoke membership if you don't get in! The other 10% are usually friends of the executive members or the executives themselves.

 

[Goro]

We pay no attention to these.

Hi, So I recently tried rushing Phi Delta Epsilon at Stony Brook University and was denied. Basically, greek life is not so much of a big deal at Stony Brook and this Fraternity is more of a "club" as it does not have a house but supposedly the Fraternity advertised a 90% acceptance rate among members as well as help in getting shadowing positions with doctors (although I have a doctor to shadow) and research positions as well. Yet, this club seemed to occupy a lot of time on community service and with myself taking a full course load this semester and taking a weekend Emt course and being part of other clubs(like debate, investment club, etc), I wasn't sure at the time whether I could even fit this in and I kinda hinted this during my interview(probably why I got denied). So, Should I apply next semester and make it a priority or is this frat complete bull**** in the eyes of Adcoms? There is another club, mentors in medicine, that I plan on doing so I am participating in some pre-med "activity."

 

[ivorypearls]

Lol there's pre-med fraternities now? That's the funniest thing I've heard today

 

[honeydude]

I highly doubt it makes any difference to admissions committees. I was in Phi Delta Epsilon for 3 years (and was even on exec for one) and so far in my interviews it has not been even remotely brought up.

However, I thought it was a great resource for me personally. I made a lot of close friends through PhiDE, and those friends then hooked me up with shadowing experience, volunteering, and internship, etc. The older members advised the younger ones on stuff like the MCAT, the admissions process, and interviews.

If you're looking to join a medical fraternity simply to put it on your application, then it's not worth your time & money. Like most things, you get out what you put in.

 

[CatFactorial]

as far as impressing an adcom premed frat ~= premed fart

 

[mrspecialist]

Fraternity = drinking and girls. period.

 

[mrspecialist]

Fraternity = drinking and girls. period.

 

[gyngyn]

I had no idea that such things even existed! til

 

[Spector1]

Premed "frat" is worthless. If you want to be a premed, just be a premed. If you want to join a frat, join a real frat.

at least a real frat will probably get you laid

 

[Moose A Moose]

Probably wouldn't give a damn unless you were utilizing resources to maximize community service, clinical exposure and tutoring.

 

[Cotterpin]

as far as impressing an adcom premed frat ~= premed fart

I'm putting that on AMCAS. "Work/Activities: Premed Fart - 4000 hours."

 

[md-2020]

Fraternity = drinking and girls. period.

at least a real frat will probably get you laid

I don't think joining a fraternity with the sole intention of upping your social status is a good idea.

If anything it'll make you look pretty desperate.

 

[WedgeDawg]

I don't think joining a fraternity with the sole intention of upping your social status is a good idea.

If anything it'll make you look pretty desperate.

Dude, this is literally the reason like 70% of people join Greek organizations...

 

[md-2020]

Dude, this is literally the reason like 70% of people join Greek organizations...

I disagree. There are people who do this, but it is definitely not the majority. Greek life is just a different social, educational, and collegiate scene that appeals to various people. Not everyone is doing it cuz they're horny (pardon the pun).

Frat bros are generally close friends. They're in the frat for the same reason you or I hang out with buddies on weekends: to be happy. Some frats are full of CSers, engineers, gamers, bookworms etc. I'm betting most of those guys don't get any action at all, but they're happy with where they are.

And what about sororities? They're Greeks too, let's not forget. Girls certainly don't join them to sleep around.

 

[WedgeDawg]

I disagree. There are people who do this, but it is definitely not the majority. Greek life is just a different social, educational, and collegiate scene that appeals to various people. Not everyone is doing it cuz they're horny (pardon the pun).

Frat bros are generally close friends. They're in the frat for the same reason you or I hang out with buddies on weekends: to be happy. Some frats are full of CSers, engineers, gamers, bookworms etc. I'm betting most of those guys don't get any action at all, but they're happy with where they are.

And what about sororities? They're Greeks too, let's not forget. Girls certainly don't join them to sleep around.

I'm not saying they're doing it to get laid, I'm saying they do it for upward social mobility. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, just that it tends to be one of the primary motivating factors. You're generally perceived as "cooler" if you're in a frat/sorority. This is also not mutually exclusive with the other things you mentioned.

 

[pasta_water1]

Thanks for the responses, guys. I kinda assumed that the benefits were too good to be true. And ya, they were advertising a 90% acceptance rate to Med school.

 

[WedgeDawg]

Thanks for the responses, guys. I kinda assumed that the benefits were too good to be true. And ya, they were advertising a 90% acceptance rate to Med school.

That number probably has nothing to do with them actually joining the fraternity though and more about the strength of their application as well as their application strategy. Much more correlative than causative.

 

[GiveMeThatMD]

A... pre-med... fraternity? Rambunctious study groups and amoxicillin shots until you pass out?

 

[Spector1]

A... pre-med... fraternity? Rambunctious study groups and amoxicillin shots until you pass out?

Its even worse. Take the worse pretentious self righteousness premedical gunner elements mixed with fratty elements. You get some of the most pretentious gunners imaginable who look down on even other premeds.

 

[Turkishking]

Hi, So I recently tried rushing Phi Delta Epsilon at Stony Brook University and was denied. Basically, greek life is not so much of a big deal at Stony Brook and this Fraternity is more of a "club" as it does not have a house but supposedly the Fraternity advertised a 90% acceptance rate among members as well as help in getting shadowing positions with doctors (although I have a doctor to shadow) and research positions as well. Yet, this club seemed to occupy a lot of time on community service and with myself taking a full course load this semester and taking a weekend Emt course and being part of other clubs(like debate, investment club, etc), I wasn't sure at the time whether I could even fit this in and I kinda hinted this during my interview(probably why I got denied). So, Should I apply next semester and make it a priority or is this frat complete bull**** in the eyes of Adcoms? There is another club, mentors in medicine, that I plan on doing so I am participating in some pre-med "activity."

Anything with "fraternity" sounds awful. At least that's my opinion.

 

[mrspecialist]

Besides SDN, you can check out TotalFratMove.com and see the "professional" aspect of it 😀

 

[flyingeagle]

I don't think anyone here understands that a "premed frat" like PhiDE is not part of Greek life. It is a Professional fraternity, usually without a house on campus. It is also co-educational, at least at my school. That being said, being in it won't help too much unless you take on any leadership positions or you think it will enhance your college experience. I didn't join because I wanted to meet other kinds of people on campus from different majors, not just premeds.

 

[Not A Troll]

Join a real frat they're way more fun. My frat was not a pre med frat, but was full of very successful premeds.
But no one sat around circle jerking to being premed. Get out of your comfort zone lol

 

[pasta_water1]

Update: Yup. Mentioning that I wasn't sure If I had time definitely killed my interview score. Anyway, I went to the other pre med club on campus and enjoyed it much more. The people who ran the club had much more experience getting research in the school as well as it seems more geared towards prepping for med school applications instead of being 90% community service like PhiDE

 

[mackkdad]

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Update: Yup. Mentioning that I wasn't sure If I had time definitely killed my interview score. Anyway, I went to the other pre med club on campus and enjoyed it much more. The people who ran the club had much more experience getting research in the school as well as it seems more geared towards prepping for med school applications instead of being 90% community service like PhiDE

You're better off spending your time volunteering at a free clinic or at a hospital. And when you need advice, there's always SDN 😉

 

[Oh_Gee]

Besides SDN, you can check out TotalFratMove.com and see the "professional" aspect of it 😀

TFM is a great time killer

 

[Oh_Gee]

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Update: Yup. Mentioning that I wasn't sure If I had time definitely killed my interview score. Anyway, I went to the other pre med club on campus and enjoyed it much more. The people who ran the club had much more experience getting research in the school as well as it seems more geared towards prepping for med school applications instead of being 90% community service like PhiDE

you might wanna crop out that person's name

 

[Gandyy]

Agree. Those were generally the elitist dudes thinking they had the road to med school all figured out but in all actuality had 3.2 GPAs.

No they were on probation.

 

[Gandyy]

I'm not saying they're doing it to get laid, I'm saying they do it for upward social mobility. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, just that it tends to be one of the primary motivating factors. You're generally perceived as "cooler" if you're in a frat/sorority. This is also not mutually exclusive with the other things you mentioned.

Lol, you are not perceived as cooler anymore if you are in a frat or sorority. Its not high school anymore.

I have some serious reservations about the frat types tho.

 

[username456789]

I don't think joining a fraternity with the sole intention of upping your social status is a good idea.

As others have pointed out, for many/most people involved, this is reason #1, 2, and 3 for joining.

 

[username456789]

I disagree. There are people who do this, but it is definitely not the majority. Greek life is just a different social, educational, and collegiate scene that appeals to various people. Not everyone is doing it cuz they're horny (pardon the pun).

There were no puns in your post. I think you are confused about the meaning of this word (among other things).

 

[Lost in Translation]

Agree. Those were generally the elitist dudes thinking they had the road to med school all figured out but in all actuality had 3.2 GPAs.

Oh my god, this is the most spot-on description of PhiDE members I have ever read.