How do DO students do on USMLEs

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since many DO students take USMLE, there has to be some statistics to report this. I know that DO schools focus on COMLES but with how many DO students actually take USMLE, there is has to be some data. Since there is no USMLE data, I am assuming there are not doing that great?
 
this is only natural since MD schools put more emphasis on biochemistry and molecular biology topics. DO's have a little different medical curriculum. 80% may seem low and i would agree, but keep in mind that they also have to worry about the COMLEX, so the USLME is another added pressure and more studying than they need. however, the trend is increasing so i wouldnt be surprised in a few years the pass rate for DO's being 90%
 
since many DO students take USMLE, there has to be some statistics to report this. I know that DO schools focus on COMLES but with how many DO students actually take USMLE, there is has to be some data. Since there is no USMLE data, I am assuming there are not doing that great?

I don't think we do very good. I am reading numbers like 69% - 72% first time pass rate. Also I don't know how many are taking it, and how they are taking it.

But 70% still is sad. I think there are a lot of factors stacking into it. For one, COMLEX has progressively been eliminating biochem and gentics questions in favor of microbiology and pharmacology questions. I heard that the past several years, there was only 2 biochem questions on the COMLEX, and a terribly lopsided number of microbiology questions. I haven't heard anything about gentics in paricular. Whereas the USMLE is much more level and no one particular field is dominant - hence you have to spread your studying out more - rather than, as one person told me "Read Robbins, and burn your biochem book because there is no biochem on COMLEX"

So you can see how it's already going to be a rough road for osteopathic students taking the USMLE. Also, the osteopath will have to take into consideration that they must prepare for OMM, which I don't think will be too tough, but it does cut into the time you can spend studying other medical information.

Also keep in mind that some of those students are lousy test takers (like me 😱 ) and you have your 70% number right there.
 
Also keep in mind that some of those students are lousy test takers (like me 😱 ) and you have your 70% number right there.

Actually, this is a very interesting point. I've never thought about it that way before.

There's probably a greater proportion of poor test takers in DO school than MD schools (as the latter place such a greater value on GPA and MCAT).
 
I think MD students probably have more "academic prowess" on average than DO students. Exactly what that means is open to debate. I'm pretty confident that the average MCAT scores shed some light onto standardized test taking skills. There may also be some deeper differences in study habits in general... hell, maybe even inherent IQ. But I'm not convinced that IQ is the biggest predictor of USMLE scores... maybe, maybe not? I'd think it would have a stronger correlation on the higher end of the range, and much less so on the lower end where pass/fail rules. Study and preparation is paramount down there. Not that any of that dictates who will be a "better physician" but I think there is something to the idea that MD students have proven themselves to be stronger testers in the past, whether through undergrad exams, MCAT, or both.

Then there are the content and emphasis differences in the exam. I'm sure more than one DO student has encountered the USMLE not particularly well prepared for the biochem, molecular, or genetics questions. Shame on them.

And finally, there has always been a mentality among a subset of DO students that "I can take the USMLE, see how I do, and report the scores if warranted." While I think that option is much less "legit" than it was in years past, it still exists, dishonest or not. And for some students, it goes further than reporting USMLE scores or not... if they don't do well on the USMLE, they just stick to the osteopathic match. No harm done. Unfortunately, I've heard several students in my own class say something like "I'm studying for the COMLEX and will take the USMLE too just in case I want to apply to allopathic." Preparing for the COMLEX as the primary test IMO isn't the right approach, and probably leads to a few failures.

If we had the distribution of scores for DO students, I'd expect it to look a bit different than the MD student distribution. There are plenty of DO students who want allopathic residencies for a variety of reasons, and/or want specialties that require a good score, and probably prepare well and do well on the USMLE. So I'd expect the curve to be skewed with a greater percentage of DO students failing on the low end, with reasonably similar percentage relative to MD students scoring in the top quartile on the top end. I think the content differences and test taking abilities will probably keep that from being the equal of MD students, but I'm guessing it is much closer than on the lower end.

In any case, a 20-30% of DO students failing an exam whose sole purpose is to certify that the student has the minimal level of proficiency to progress in medical education is alarming and sad. The DO curriculum and/or COMLEX should not be so different as to cause this to be the case. Nor should the academic abilities of the students be so different as to cause this. It could be either, or both, or neither, and I don't know for certain. I can speculate. Hopefully, the trend will continue upwards for many years to come. Only when the pass rates (and averages?) are similar will DO's make further progress to being universally accepted.
 
Another factor is that DO schools train students to pass the COMLEX and not the USMLE. Although the material is generally the same, the DO curriculum places more emphasis on items that are heavily tested on the COMLEX. Additionally, exam questions in osteopathic medical schools are designed to resemble COMLEX style questions.
 
Another factor is that DO schools train students to pass the COMLEX and not the USMLE. Although the material is generally the same, the DO curriculum places more emphasis on items that are heavily tested on the COMLEX. Additionally, exam questions in osteopathic medical schools are designed to resemble COMLEX style questions.

example of what we study this year at DMU (other than OMM, simulation labs and simulation patient experiences for each system, ethics, surgery lab, ob/gyn lab, neo lab, ACLS, optho lab, etc)

Anatomy, Phys, micro --> 1%
Pathology --> 10%
pharm--> 4%
Clinical management including surgical methods & epidemiology --> 85%

as you can tell, we would need to self-prep for the USMLE
 
Another factor is that DO schools train students to pass the COMLEX and not the USMLE. Although the material is generally the same, the DO curriculum places more emphasis on items that are heavily tested on the COMLEX. Additionally, exam questions in osteopathic medical schools are designed to resemble COMLEX style questions.


well, with 1/3 of DO students taking USMLE, shouldn't DO schools reevaluate their teaching.
 
i went to a caribbean md school and my twin brother went to a DO school. I got a 248, he got a 238 (both took the Step 1 on the same day in the same testing center). Im not sure what that means exactly but we both worked hard and thats what counts, everything else is usually an excuse. If someone wants to rock the Step 1, they will
 
well, with 1/3 of DO students taking USMLE, shouldn't DO schools reevaluate their teaching.

I agree. But in defense of osteopathic medical schools, their mission is to train students to become DO's and that involves the COMLEX exam.
 
I think the NBOME should first reevaluate the COMLEX exam... schools can then follow suit by reevaluating their curricula to match.
 
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