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frescanese

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I would like to know how difficult it is to get into a top 10 psych residency.

I attend a top 15 school and make roughly half honors / half high pass (which only makes it more difficult to figure class rank).

Are the really good residencies just reserved for AOA folk?

Of course, I know research will help ... but to what extent?

Thanks for the advice...
 
not really-I did not honor a damn 3rd year class. Got 218 on step 1 and 232 on step 2, Good LORs and application complete and got interviews at my top choice which was UCLA which is a top 10 psyc program-I am waiting on more to come but I would definetly say you do NOT need AOA to attend or interview at a Top 10 but maybe I am wrong. Anyone else want to correct me feel free.
 
not really-I did not honor a damn 3rd year class. Got 218 on step 1 and 232 on step 2, Good LORs and application complete and got interviews at my top choice which was UCLA which is a top 10 psyc program-I am waiting on more to come but I would definetly say you do NOT need AOA to attend or interview at a Top 10 but maybe I am wrong. Anyone else want to correct me feel free.

A thread you started ...

So I have a mix of competitive and non-compt programs that I am applying to-but I would say most are on the competitive end-just wondering what step scores you guys are applying with in general as I have NO clue what peoples steps are in psychiatry-no clue if I am competive or mediocre etc.

Step 1-219
Step2-216

anyone??

It's one thing to bs, but to do so while giving advice to others on this forum?
That's foul 👎
 
not really-I did not honor a damn 3rd year class. Got 218 on step 1 and 232 on step 2, Good LORs and application complete and got interviews at my top choice which was UCLA which is a top 10 psyc program-I am waiting on more to come but I would definetly say you do NOT need AOA to attend or interview at a Top 10 but maybe I am wrong. Anyone else want to correct me feel free.


This guy is unbelievable.lol...All he does is lie...lol... But you have to admit its so fun to constantly catch him in his trail of Bullsh*$%#t.

Do us all a favor and just stop posting. Your credibility is garbage.
 
You'd have to define what you mean by "Top Ten" psychiatry residency, because especially in Psychiatry, this means different things to different people.

There are a lot of different teams in psychiatry (for better or worse-my opinion is for worse) but different training philosophies do permeate programs despite certain requirements and regulations.

There is also regional bias and where and in what capacity or specialty you want to work.

While I am still a resident, and I am kinda playing devils advocate because I think I know what you mean by your question, my impression is that the country is still starving for psychiatrists, so going to a "top ten" program by academic reputation doesn't really matter when it comes to job prospects. Of course if you have research interests etc, then it matters more who you are working with (and by the way, the country is also starved for good psychiatry researchers too, so it also isn't such a big deal where you go).

Of course, if your interests are to stay connected to an academic faculty and environment while working mostly clinically, then it probably helps to go to a big academic center (which is probably what you mean by "top ten"). You should be advised however, that the pay in this role is **** with added responsiblities compared to a community hospital setting. And even if that is what you want, I still would advise you to think about what you want personally more than what the "name" of the program is where you train.

All that being said, the easy and short answer to your question is that you will be considered competitive (numbers and med school background-wise) at every psychiatry residency in the United States. However, I know of a few top academic residencies that don't even care about board scores at all. I do believe they like to see people doing well in their clinical clerkships though (which I would say you have done). AOA is a feather in your cap but by no means is it neccessary. You'll find that essays, LORs, and especially interviews, and finally and probably most importantly for some of these big residencies, fit to the program matters much more than the numbers.

You will benefit, however, from your strong medical school background for sure.

So don't worry so much about the numbers, or about being desperate to go to a "top ten" program.
 
Thanks, worriedwell.

I definitely see your point about the whole "top ten" thing. It's kinda sad to be name-driven. I guess what I am desiring from "top ten" would be the community of scholars and the guidance to starting a meaningful academic career doing ... meaningful research.

That being said, I wonder what schools are considered to have good programs within the different fields of psychiatry. Also, which schools are better for the biomedical approach or the more psychotherapy-based appraoch? (is this the appropriate contrast?)

Would anyone mind sharing on this?
 
In regards to your competitiveness as an applicant, the general rules apply to psychiatry as well, Frescanese, in that higher scores, AOA, coming from a great school are all better to have on your resume than to not...

With that said, in psychiatry there is hope for anyone to get into any residency because of the applicant to residency ratio (which my understanding is shifting annually to become increasingly competitive). It sounds like you are a very strong candidate and will likely get interviews from almost any place you apply.

Overall the key is that you find a place that meets all of your needs and can help springboard your future. Think carefully about where you want to end up and plan accordingly...to simply follow the US news and world report rankings would be a mistake; those rankings are related to patient care and not specific to residency training or even a general ability to teach.

Good Luck in your search for the right fit, and have fun with your interviews!
 
This guy is unbelievable.lol...All he does is lie...lol... But you have to admit its so fun to constantly catch him in his trail of Bullsh*$%#t.

Do us all a favor and just stop posting. Your credibility is garbage.
Ok you psych guys, what's analyzethis's diagnosis? I can see that he's a pathological liar, but is that a real diagnosis? He's too funny.
 
I was northeast regionally biased, so its hard for me to accurately tell you about midwest or west coast programs other than to say that it seems to be a general impression that Northeastern programs are more psychodynamic (especially in NYC and Boston) than other regions in the country.

Wash U is probably considered the Mecca of the biological psychiatry movement. I'm not saying you won't get training in all modalities at any solid instituation, you will, but its the relative amount and access to people with those philosophies that can flavor your training.

Penn for example, has ample access to Aaron Beck and his brethren, such that they seem to get strong cognitively behavioral training while there is less access and interest in CBT at, say, Cornell.

I know people that chose New York City small community hospital programs over big "name" institutions in the South or Midwest that were heavily interested simply because they found some solid training with specific things they liked in a city with a ridiculously robust millieu for psychiatry. And that was perfect for them.

In your case, if location doesn't matter, and research does, then the "name" institutions loosely fall in line with the research being done.

Some examples of big time research places that I know some things about include:

Pitt
Penn
Columbia
MGH
UCLA
Yale

For research, look at things like NIH dollars and go to institution web pages and look at what kind of publications and centers exist at each institution. You should be aware that Pitt, which basically exists solely to do research I hear and recruits heavily to have research oriented residents and encourages resident research, did not match all their spots in recent years. Some interpret this to mean that, despite its powerhouse research status, the training program itself had something less desirable about it (for me, its the location).

Keep in mind though, as a resident, unless you specifically seek out research, it isn't readily a part of your training. Some programs will carve out time for you but you have to provide specific goals and interests. Thats why it helps to have specific things in mind and look for specific people to work with. One way to find some big names in each field is to look at the APA guidelines for specific diseases and the Editing Board Members of each of those diseases are often prominent experts in that field that are active in research. Then you can match those people with the institutions where they work.

I think after doing some "research" into the topic, you will find that you can do "meaningful research" at like 50 plus different places. And the reality is that its probably neccesary to do a post residency research fellowship in whatever you are interested in anyway, so that means that you don't neccesarily have to do residency at, say, Columbia (where I think really the pinnacle of what is "meaningfully happening" resides). Rather, you can develop your interests in residency and then shoot for a fellowship at a place like that. It won't be that hard if you work hard and are genuinely interested in the research.

Good luck,
worriedwell

Thanks, worriedwell.

I definitely see your point about the whole "top ten" thing. It's kinda sad to be name-driven. I guess what I am desiring from "top ten" would be the community of scholars and the guidance to starting a meaningful academic career doing ... meaningful research.

That being said, I wonder what schools are considered to have good programs within the different fields of psychiatry. Also, which schools are better for the biomedical approach or the more psychotherapy-based appraoch? (is this the appropriate contrast?)

Would anyone mind sharing on this?
 
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